Just.....why?

if you're not on your way to get a refund for that bullshit, then that's entirely on you and i have no sympathy
that shit exists because people keep fucking buying it
- Right? I buy only open-source wifi toothbrushes. Still waiting on the year of the Linux toothbrush, tbh
  
  If you can't run Doom on it, is it really your toothbrush?
  
  My esp32 vibrator-toothbrush is up on GitHub. Might take it down later, idk.
  
  Can you turn a Raspberry Pi into a toothbrush? lol
- We should not be shaming the consumers, but educating them. The blame is on the companies for making such a terrible product in the first place, the consumer only found out how bad it was after. Sometimes, you can no longer return a product because its X days out of policy.
  Not that I don't completely agree with your sentiment, but to make people start advocating for themselves, you have to make them see you are a friend, and the company is the enemy.
  (not that the oop would ever see this post, comment or reply because who on twitter is also using lemmy, but you get it right?)
  
  Sometimes, you can no longer return a product because its X days out of policy.
  🤣🤣🤣🤣 I bought this $50 brush than didn't use it for 6 months 👌👍
  I weep for all 5 of you that happened to.
- If it’s anything like mine, it works just fine without the app. The app just does brush tracking and shit. I don’t need any of that, so I never set it up. But I suspect even if I had, it would still let me use it without being logged into the app.
  I suspect the same is true here. That the function of the toothbrush is available regardless of whether it’s logging data to your phone.
  
  But that's way too rational and doesn't let me rage, I don't like it!
  
  Yeah I got mine on sale a few years ago and totally forgot it had that until it showed up on my home assistant when I got a ZigBee USB dongle for my pi
  
  The function is available for now.
- But.. how else am I going to connect my toothbrush to my smarthome..?
  Just kidding, I use home assistant and my oral-b toothbrush broadcasts using BLE, which Is capture using the oral-b integration. You don't need to be logged in.
  I agree. It's super dumb to buy IOT toothbrushes that require you to be logged in. Luckily I'm not one of those people, so that doesn't apply to me. Phew..
  
  Just kidding, I use home assistant and my oral-b toothbrush broadcasts using BLE, which Is capture using the oral-b integration. You don’t need to be logged in.
  Oh god I hope this is sarcasm. I'm good with my old, dumb oral-b that does nothing but brush my fucking teeth.
  
  IoT has gotten way out of hand
- People keeping buying it because they don't know this shit exist. And once they already buy it... Hey, as long as it works....
- Exactly

I am what you would call a technology enthusiast, or what some people have dubbed as a gadget removed. I love little electronic devices that make my life easier. However, at no time in my life, will I ever need or desire a toothbrush that needs WiFi access or a subscription to some service. It really isn’t necessary or even useful. It’s like the old comic about the toilet that needs a phone app.
- More like “Enshitify app”, amirite?
  
  Deshittify, technically.
- old comic
  12-13-24
- But then how will you download the latest pulse patterns? You could be missing out on a more optimal brushing experience.
- Reminds me of my Dyson fan. When I put it away for the season the battery inside the remote leaked and the remote is dead now. So I download the Dyson remote control app. There’s only an on button on the fan itself, so in order to sync my phone to the fan i need the original remote to navigate the settings and go to “sync”
  So my dead remote is required to activate any other remote
- You jest, but smart toilets actually are a thing now... Though from what I can tell, they use remotes instead of apps. So no wifi or subscriptions, but you better not break that remote.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0N8eNGBz6zM
  
  Whoa, you are not kidding. The toilet is powered (not so unusual for bidet toilets), but it looks like there's no mechanical override. Just a 'remote' control panel with a flush button (among many other features). That I'm sure is hygienic.
  The video is about how to bluetooth pair the remote to the toilet. There are so many points of possible failure here, I can't even.
- I used to be a gadgetremoved, now im recruiting for the butlerian jihad, and my values around this have not changed at all.
- It doesn't need it, it works totally fine without it.
  (Also, FWIW, the toothbrush itself connects via Bluetooth, not Wi-Fi)
- I think most of those toothbrushes use Bluetooth if you want to track your brush stats or something with like home assistant, mine came with that and I totally forgot until my home assistant pinged me one day to add the device, I got that toothbrush in like 2017 on some sale and I wanted an electric tooth brush
- I love technology and gadgets!
  Got this Cuckoo clock, and it never asks me to sign in.
  I have a compass gadget in my car - never have to sign in
  My propane camp stove - fun fact, no sign in!
  I have a #2 pencil - I sign in with it regularly …
  I own dozens of screws - brilliant tech helps me keep it all together, no sign in though
  We've been doing great tech since the OG 'Fire'. I'm beginning to think what we call the 'tech' industry has a very limited understanding of what tech actually is.

If you meet a man who has been logged out of his toothbrush, do not mourn him. He has chosen thus. He is exactly where he has desired to be.
- Mourn for this man, not for his choices but for his lack of them; a store selling expired milk should be put out of business by the authorities, not by a mob of post-poisoned shoppers.
  
  That's communist talk. Those shoppers should have done their research before buying bad milk.
- But any man's toothbrush logout diminishes me
  Because I am involved in brushing my teeth

Although I don't have one that's smart, I have researched enough into electric toothbrushes to know that this title is exaggerating. The app is just to store your brushing information. People like tracking data about themselves as it helps with positive reinforcement. The app just allows you to see your analytics much like an app to count your steps or activity levels. It in no way "disables" your brushing experience.
- I have one that is smart, and you are spot on. It was nice to use in the beginning to get an idea of what pressure is recommended and time spent on each section. But I have uninstalled and been running app free for several years now - with zero issues.
- This seemed a little clickbait-y

Why did you have to login in the first place? What's an "Oral-B brushing experience"?
- It's the experience of a toothbrush collecting data about your daily routines to sell for profit.
  
  Ah yes, there's a whole line forming to buy data about teeth brushing, it's like a gold mine.
  
  Who is interested in that data other than Oral-B and their competitors though? Oral-B isn't collecting that data to sell to itself, and they certainly wouldn't want their competition using it
- You can use the Oral B with some electric brushes to see where you have brushed and where you haven't to help you with not missing anything.
  
  You have brushed in New York and Philadelphia this week!

I hate capitalism
- So, class war or butlerian jihad? Pick at least one.

Why? Because you were dumb enough to buy, or manipulated into buying the toothbrush.
- Well-deserved, IMO.
  
  Woah, slow down (both of you). As a person who was THIS close to buying one of those in a store:
  the packaging really hides how obnoxious these things are. I only noticed a small ~"wireless" symbol on the packaging last second. Seeing that symbol then reminded me of this amazing writeup I had stumbled upon months earlier by coincidence. Only then did I realize what I was about to get myself into.
  Don't blame people who don't happen to read niche reverse engineering blogs for fun.
  Do blame companies that invest heavily into making shitty products without being up front about it.

This is hilarious. I laughed for some time.
"Log back in to continue your OralB brushing experience"
Who thought it would be a good idea to have an online toothbrush, who decided to log customers out after a period of inactivity, and why, for all that is sane in the world, would not being logged in stop you from doing anything at all with your toothbrush!?!
- I am enjoying saying "Log back in to continue your Oral B brushing experience" in my best "customer-service/salesperson ad lady" voice. Like the kind of tone that's so soullessly saccharine that it gives AI vibes
- Yeah. Everything in tour homr with radio needs to be microwaved. Butlerian jihad now.

My toothbrush is as dumb as it comes. The only smart thing it does is charging itself when I put it in its charger base. And that should be the standard.
- i use only the oralb 1000, its good enough, no need to spend over 100-200 for a toothbrush.
- No reason to even use electricity. A damp cloth and some baking soda works just as well!
  
  Uh, looking that up, it really doesn't seem to be true.
  
  Pfft baking soda? Don't you know certain tree species' twigs work just as well?
  (not AI)

Having to log back in is just part of the Oral-B Brushing Experience™
I prefer the cheap-fucking manual brush my dentist gives me every visit experience.
- Hey everybody! Get a look at Money Bags over here being able to afford to go to the dentist!
  (kidding, low key jealous... please marry me so I can have benefits/health coverage)
  
  Who said I go frequently? It's been ages. I really need a new brush, too... 😔

I found a 350€ OralB toothbrush in a shop recently in France.
I couldn't believe the amount of bullshit you have to cram in to up a toothbrush to that level of price.
Pic :
- My sister, a dentistry student, got one in a promo event. It glows when you walk by to remind you to brush. Drove me nuts.
- Does it come with a "feminine stimulation" accessory?
- I have two of these i bought for $30 each
  I use a website that has auctions near me that sell Amazon abandoned packages. I find these often

Because you don't want someone else using your toothbrush on your account. Do you?
Edit to add: just thought of the implications. It'll totally screw up your algorithm. Just like how now that my kids can get on YouTube in the living room, I only get suggestions for Minecraft videos. I don't even like Minecraft.

Imagine explaining the concept of this to a 16th century peasant, let alone some rich person from the 2000s, like nobody would've ever been ready to comprehend the existence of a wi-fi enabled toothbrush.

We have recently gotten ourselves some SURI toothbrushes and they are eco friendly, repairable, the heads are recyclable/ biodegradable. They also give a better clean than my old oral b electric. Quieter too. Highly recommend.
- How repairable are we talking? Can the battery be replaced?
  
  I have the cheapest oral-b (bought for under 20 euros about a decade ago) and it uses AA-batteries, a pair of rechargeable ikea 1900mah batteries last for about 100 cumulative minutes of usage.
  
  Yup, you need to send it back to them but for a few quid (or included if you have their replacement head subscription) they will change the battery for you.

Escalator temporarily stairs

Rhod Gilbert on toothbrush is worth watching if you haven’t seen it yet.

You serious, Clark?

Renew your subscription to continue brushing

I wonder if it's so you can get a calendar of usage tines. Could be handy to ensure kids are brushing for the right amount of time?
- It does that plus map areas you are missing. Probably overkill for most but could be a good teaching tool as you suggest.

Gaming Toothbrush

Communism is when no toothbrush... Capitalism is when no toothbrush...

I mean, it looks more like you got logged out of your app.
- For now.

I have an io10. It is not worth it. The 3D Tracking does not work reliable for me. The cleaning result seem to be good, but you can get that from a cheaper model too. io6 or something. The new brush heads are expensive, but good imho. Also the app only works for one person, sharing with different brushes does not work. Battery is not replaceable. Won't buy again.

I considered a wifi toothbrush for my kids. Teaching them dental hygiene gets harder with age. At some point the youngest started ignoring brush your teeth, I had to hang out near the bathroom to make sure he brushed. I was pondering... you know it home assistant can read the site, I could just have it shit out an alarm if he hasn't brushed by x hour....
but then he gave in and started brushing

sudden prick sensation when brushing teeth
robotic female voice: The user has been injected in the gums with a lethal poison that will approximately kill in two days. Please renew your subscription to receive the antidote injection.

Because people are dumb and buy these shitty products.
I want a smart watch, but none do what I want without an account so I don't own that ether.
- Look into this then: https://f-droid.org/packages/nodomain.freeyourgadget.gadgetbridge
  Not that sexy but works with some of the brands.