Damn Fox, you didn't have to turn me on more.

BTW $30 isn't like a crazy high number for minimum wage. The current number is well below the poverty line for families everywhere in the United States, and New York has a very high cost of living. Minimum wage is explicitly intended to provide "the wages of decent living." $30 per hour might actually be too low for New York City. $61,500 a year is barely going to pay the rent in the shittiest neighborhoods. https://www.zillow.com/rental-manager/market-trends/new-york-ny/
- If you give your whole life of working hours to a business, the compensation should be a bare minimum of all of Maslow's hierarchy of needs.
  Period.
  
  I agree with your point, but I'll also say fuck the bare minimum. Any business that cannot afford to pay a living wage has no business being in business. Poverty is exploitation.
  
  Ironically, every level of Maslow's Hierarchy is behind a paywall.
  Self-actualization is only a luxury for the rich.
  
  Not sure I would want my company involved the top three. Bottom two for sure tho!
- Back when it was created, it was enough for a single earner to feed and house a whole family, it should always be compared to that metric and adjusted accordingly.
- In Zurich, Switzerland, the cost of living is insane. It's similar to NYC that way. The difference is that their minimum wage is 23.90 CHF / hour which is almost exactly $30 USD per hour.
  Because it's such a high cost city, people earning a minimum wage aren't living a luxurious life. But, they do live a pretty "normal" life. They can go skiing in the winter (getting to the slopes using trains and trams). They can go out to eat as a treat, or go to a club. They can buy healthy foods, and can easily afford their (mandatory) health insurance.
  It means a lot of things are more expensive, which basically means the middle class and rich are subsidizing the people earning the least. And this is despite Switzerland being an extremely right-wing country by European standards. You really see the affect of high minimum wages when you're paying for things where a big part of the cost is minimum wage labour. Like, if you order food for delivery, you might as well order something expensive and luxurious, because you're going to pay the equivalent of about $20 as a delivery fee.
  It's a system that seems to work a lot better than what NYC currently has. When even the lowest paid person is "comfortable", they have more pride in their job, and more confidence in their value. They know they're not as disposable. It also helps that Switzerland has much stronger unions than the US. 45% of all workers in Switzerland are covered by collective bargaining agreements, which is very low by European standards, but is way, way higher than the US rate of 12.1%.
  There are already parallels between Zurich and NYC because of the presence of some extremely highly paid people, especially finance bros. But, Zurich should be a model for NYC, and with a $30 minimum wage, they'd take a big step towards that.
  
  Time to go skiing? NO. They should be working 9 days a week. No one should have time for anything except working to make the rich cunts even fucking richer :/
  /s
  
  Everybody should have a minimum income that they can comfortably live from in every country, period.
  In CH are all the restaurants etc. expensive due to the wages being higher? Or is it mainly due to extra food costs?
  What if we don't increase the minimum wage, but increase the minimum income? Aka give people extra money if they work for minimum wage in certain area's like restaurants. Just a theory. (In NL we have had situation where the company would get extra money to compensate the higher wage cost, mostly the NOW during Covid)
  
  Have you ordered delivery in New York? $20 in fees and tips are not uncommon at all. But that reinforces the point, things are not usually expensive because of high labor costs. It's a cost, but businesses that can't afford to pay for labor are exploitation.
  
  You can't talk about having a normal life and mention skiing right away. Most people can't afford to go skiing
- I live in NY, not NYC, and make $30/hr as a single guy. I live in someone's garage just so I can have a savings/retirement investment...
  Rent at a legitimate apartment complex would eat every remaining dollar I had after my other expenses. NY is definitely expensive...
  My dad joked that I need to find a wife with 2 jobs if I wanted a house and then paused for a second, doing the math and realizing that's actually true if we were all around the $30/hr mark...
  
  need to find a wife with 2 jobs if I wanted a house
  Or you could split the difference and get two wives with one job each.
  Or you could get four wives with a part time job each.
  Or you get 8 wives with one job each and now you are making profit over the money you need to buy a house.
  My point is
- Yep, a lot of people don't realize 7.25 an hour at 40 hours a week is just about 15k a year. Good luck with that wage anywhere in the US.
- Yeah it just sounds ridiculously high in low cost of living areas where Fox’s faithful all live.
  They really do hear this as “look at this outrageous tax on small business owners” instead of “oh look a living minimum wage - that would be good for Timmy when he graduates high school next year.”
  
  Sure, that's how we got here, but that's not even true anymore. The most destitute and depressed regions still have a higher cost of living than the minimum wage would provide.
- I make just over $30/hr plus some bonuses. I'm struggling in a midsize Midwest city. I'd need roommates in NYC to live.
  
  Monica and Rachel seem to have a lot of room in their place, they might let you stay if you helped with the rent.
- don't let great be the enemy of good
  
  I'll support any increase. I'm just saying that, after it passes, we're not done.
- It's accountability for the fact that cost of living has risen astronomically and for quite a while since the time that $7.25 or even $16.50 was a livable wage, especially in NYC
  Conservatives are going to scream about minimum wage not fixing the problem but the fact is cost of living is not going down even with their best efforts. It's time to go up, and that's not an unreasonable amount.
- I'm not good at math, but looking at the chart I think the average is dragged up but the huge spike of $5k+/mo units. You can find places for ~$2k/mo that don't look terrible, assuming the listings on zillow are real. That's still too expensive, but better than the $3700 average on that chart.
  "It could be worse!" is extremely small comfort, though.
  
  $2k a month is $24000 a year, almost 40% of your income. That's not sustainable, even if you can find low rent places.
- my two cents (and if my upvotes are any indication my two cents is worthless) the real problem is that when you raise the minimum wage, you build an opportunity for companies to raise the prices on everything, and then we get into an inflation problem.
  Example, my home state can raise minimum wage from 9 to 12 dollars an hour, but that 25% increase in pay would be all the excuse Walmart would need to jack up the prices to cover their loses;
  Not saying we shouldn’t have a working/livable wage, but we gotta do something that forces companies to pay the workers more, and the owners/CEO less some how. Like an inverse tax calculation that benefits the company for paying lots of people more, instead of just the few at the time a premium.
  I’m sure an economist can explain this better.
  
  Science and reality disagree with your feelings. Do not parrot the disingenuous spam from the oligarchs.
  
  This would assume that these same businesses wouldn't raise prices regardless, which is what they have already been doing, without the wage increase.
  A higher minimum wage is how you force companies to pay employees more. There's no real way to limit ceo pay that they won't find loopholes for, but you could try to tie the max to some upper percentage of employee median pay
  
  I think especially in New York going after landlords, both housing and commercial, would do a great job at making it so smaller businesses (which New York has a ton of) don't have to raise prices and to make it so the minimum wage doesn't have to be as high. That's why I think his rent freeze policy and whatever else he is going to do against land lords will help a lot.
  
  You're not wrong that it can be inflationary, but the inflation has already happened. Besides, productivity is so high these business could afford to pay more with out a price increase, but they want to keep their margins.
  
  That's one argument against, but it's not proven true anywhere it's been tested. Shoppers at Walmart have a price point they expect. They can only raise prices so much before sales begin to falter, and their labor costs are not the most significant cost in their stores. Think about how few Walmart employees you see in their massive stores. Real estate, fixtures, even the utility bills are going to outpace the labor increases. Plus, the additional costs are typically offset by the additional sales that happen because everyone has a little more disposable income.
  Chain stores and restaurants charge roughly the same amounts regardless of the local labor rates. Things that do affect local prices are the things that affect unit costs, like tariffs, taxes, and transport costs.
  You are completely correct that corporations will use any excuse to raise prices, but they're going to raise prices as high as the market will bear regardless. That's not a reason to depress demand by keeping wages too low to survive.
  
  when you raise the minimum wage, you build an opportunity for companies to raise the prices on everything, and then we get into an inflation problem.
  Then explain the following to me, please:
  In the 1960s, families had enough income that they could easily afford food, housing, and much more.
  Why didn't that immediately lead to an inflationary spiral, as you have described? Why did living conditions remain stable for 20 years or more?

TFW your government literally just hooked a brain dead pregnant woman up to life support against the wishes of her family, to force her to give birth, but somehow tries to paint political promises of baby baskets for newborns as dystopian nightmare fuel.
- Wasn't the baby just delivered a few days ago, very premature? Wasn't it also known that it had hydrocephaly? (both things not very compatible with life)
  Using a braindead woman and her braindead premature fetus as political football against the wishes of her family.
  That's so evil it's a fucking cartoon. Like twirl your moustache, give an evil laugh, and then steal a blind person's cane while jaywalking.
  
  Not sure about hydrocephalus, but it was delivered at the earliest point the hospital was willing to do. The chances of the baby surviving are low regardless of other complications like that.
  I learned after, the mother was literally rotting on the table. This was only done because it was a black woman without the resources to fight back.
  
  And forced the family to pay for it all. Pure fucking evil.

I thought the republicans loved babies.
Wouldn't they be all over the first two points there?
- No, they love unborn babies. Born babies cost the money they want to steal from our taxes.
  
  Same with “support our troops.” Once they are vets it’s time to strip them of all their benefits
  
  But they can’t prey on or traffic unborn babies. So they still have SOME interest in the born ones.
  
  They aren't pro-life, they're pro-birth.
  
  They like to control unborn babies to birth because they’ll eventually be born with little chance of not being poor.
  Keep them poor and stupid; eventually they’ll be old enough to vote republican. Remember, they love the uneducated.
- I wish I could do those mental backflips, but for physics and maths.
- I'm going to misquote George Carlin here, "if you're preborn your fine, if you're preschool you're fucked".
- No, they love slaves, which babies will become if we withhold from them the necessities of life for long enough.
  The ones that live at least.
- They just like occupying uteruses and vaginas. That’s why so many of them act like douches.
- Because the single most most thing in the entire world to them is making absolutely sure at all costs that no one “bad” ever gets anything for free. Even if that means leaving whole generations of their own kind without a pot to piss in. Better that 100 deserving should starve than one degenerate get a free lunch.

Baby basket may sound like a weird one without context if you're not already familiar with them, but I assume he's talking about a maternity package, or "baby box" which is a wildly successful program in Finland and other parts of Europe. It's a cardboard box filled with baby supplies, and the box itself doubles as their first crib. It's not legal in the US ostensibly because of the cardboard, but functionally cuz we like to punish women every chance we get. Anyway, being cardboard causes literally zero problems, they help to prevent SIDS, and they're cheap.
We should have been doing this for ages.
- How does it being cardboard help prevent sids?
  
  They are two separate clauses i think
  cardboard causes no problems
  the cribs help prevent SIDS
  I did a quick search and found this:
  https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2017/03/26/521399385/states-give-new-parents-baby-boxes-to-encourge-safe-sleep-habits
  So its not about the cardboard, its about the makeup of the crib itself
  
  I think he meant having a crib helps, not it being made out of cardboard.
  
  Babies like pretending to be homeless
- Who's Sid?
  
  Not a funny joke

It's amazing, all they need to do is write "socialist" and like Pavlov's dogs maga instantly react with no thought...
How to make maga hate anything: "it's socialism!"
- Calling shit DEI is socialism!
  
  Woke DEI Socialism
- Holy shit youre onto something. These socialist fucking billionaires and their socialist lap dog politicians are ruining this country.
  God damn socialist police force and socialist immigration enforcers
  Edit God damn communist president and press secretary.
  What makes them think they can use OUR money for THEIR bullshit?
  
  Problem is a lot of them would agree with you on the first one, and say all the billionaires are in fact democrats. It's impossible to even backwards reason with the right/YouTube/fox mind...
- Damn commies!

Imagine painting no cost childcare and $30 minimum wage as something bad. Ugh. Those poor rich people are gonna be slightly less rich!
- I don't think rich people will be slightly less rich.
  Free child care is a no-brainer. More people working, more productivity, more taxes, et cetera.
  
  Free child care might inspire adults to have more kids. Even more people working, more productivity, etc.
  
  Yeah but that's in the future! They want their quarterly profits to looks good NOW.
- It's not fair! Poor people get all the breaks!
  
  hypothetically anyway

Why would a newborn need baskets of babies, that is so irresponsible.
- It's green! Those babies were upcycled!
- Gotta fight that declining birthrate. What better way than to dump babies into a home that you know is getting ready to care for babies?
- Nice ICQ flower. :)

The right: Birth rates are declining!
The right when they see no cost child care brought up: Socialism bad!
- I believe that this is part of the Christian dogmatic pipeline. If you require social services, check your closest church. And of course you will need to be a member in good standing to keep access... Etc
  
  It's also convenient that churches tend to be de facto segregated by race. We're not racist, we just setup institutions that happen to work in racist ways.
  
  "That should be the role of the church!" The church proceeds to not do what they said it should.
  
  My former religion used to do this a lot. to the point people I didn't know who heard I was one of them, would ask about these kinds of services. The church doesn't do any of it anymore. they stopped all their charity efforts of this kind as it doesn't line up with American Republican values, and those are clearly more important than shit Jesus said. reading any manuals, teaching plans, and so forth that the church puts out makes this abundantly clear. Used to be Mormon. Finally gave up with the anti-lbgtq bullshit and the church hording tithes. literally against the dogma and doctrines of the church. 100%. They still teach in Sunday school for kids that tithes stay local and help people in need Mormon or not. it's a full on lie at this point. Other than child abuse lawsuits I'm not sure the church spends money on anything.
  
  It's also convenient that churches tend to be de facto segregated by race. We're not racist, we just setup institutions that happen to work in racist ways.
  
  And usually praying at any evangelical church
- If you're preborn you're fine; if you're preschool, you're fucked!
  George Carlin
- The right: [WHITE] Birth rates are declining! FTFY 😛
  
  Yeah that too.

Umm....will you be our president?
- Born in Uganda, unfortunately.
  
  Uganda be joking
- Let's see how he handles NY. Kids got promise though.
  
  He still has to win. I feel like he will, but still gotta get there first. I half fear for his life, he is exactly the type of person not allowed to win so im sure he has a target on his back which is scary...

Hmmm.
So... baby baskets to newborns is about SIDS and keeping them alive. No Cost Childcare is about keeping them alive and well, too.
So... about them kids?
- Fetuses matter, not children.
  
  Until they're 18 then they can die for the cause!
- Nah,
  They're happier when they're being shot en masse in schools
  Then they can wave their little compensators around screaming about how they're the real victims because people want to take their firearms away
  
  we should normalize lego collections as dick compensation devices.
  legos never hurt anybody. Well. Not seriously, and really, you shouldn't leave your legos out to be stepped on...
  (edit. er. maybe we normalize k'nex. I don't want to look like I'm compensating with my lego collection. or my erector set)

I have no idea how anyone can think that baby baskets for newborns is a bad thing.
- I actually have no idea what that even means... Could you help me out with some context?
  
  In Finland, parents of newborns receive a cardboard box that doubles as a tiny sleeping space. It's filled with essentials like diapers, a sleeping bag, small mattress, toiletries, etc.
  It's like your new player gets basic gear at Level 1, minus the bronze sword and 10gp.
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maternity_package
  Why Finnish babies sleep in cardboard boxes
  
  I'm from Scotland and here, every time a pregnant person is registered with the NHS (we have universal free healthcare, which is normal in Europe, so this is pretty much every pregnant person), they're automatically enrolled for a baby box to be mailed to their home a couple of weeks before the baby's due date.
  The baby box includes a ton of stuff designed to help parents take care of a baby in their first few years, including the box itself doubling as a cot. Loads more details here, it's been super well received since they introduced it 10 years ago ish: https://www.scotland.org/live-in-scotland/progressive-scotland/baby-box

HOW DARE YOU GIVE A SHIT ABOUT ALREADY-BORNS, THE FREELOADING ASSHOLES DON'T DESERVE MY TAXEEEES!! REEEEEEEE!!!!

I love how "socialism" is a smear in a country that has "e pluribus unum" on its money. Unum, only up to a point, I guess.
- That's not American English though. They didn't know what it says.
  
  unum -> military ✅
  unum -> bailouts ✅
  unum -> healthcare for you ❌

Did Mamdani pay for this victory ad?

It's ok. They've trained their monkeys to hate objectively good things.
- Remember when Fox News called workers "dogs" that need to be starved to make us obedient? Never forget, never forgive
- Monkeys surpass magats in intellect

What's funny is the MAGAts that live there will HAPPILY take those things... But then still badmouth the shit out of the man who made it possible.

I'm so happy he won :D and in such a landslide

He's the new Boogeyman, because he has a Muslim name. Much like with obama. And memhet oz whitewashed his name and skin

$30 minimum wage and two parent households might be able to raise their child themselves

Hey Foxies, how would you like to have an easier life?
- "No way. It's only fair if everyone has as miserable of a life as I have!"
- But how are you gonna pay for it????!??!?!;)!?!?! Raising taxes? (Insert smug face thinking the speaker just played their Trump card)
  /S

Changing the fixed dollar amount of minimum wage is only a temporary fix that guarantees another uphill struggle in the future
Minimum should be tied to cost of living changes not a specific dollar amount that has to be fought over way after minimum wage no longer meets the minimum cost of living

$30 isn't jack shit in NYC.
- It's currently $16.50
  
  Yeah even on the shithole east side of Cincinnati nobody pays less than $12 and you can't live on that here. $30 isn't at all radical for NY.
  
  And I'll tell you what a native New Yorker friend told me when we visited Manhattan in 1991.
  "How does anyone live on minimum wage here?!"
  Laughing, "Man! Nobody gets paid minimum wage!"
  Anyway, $30 sounds like rock-bottom. Not criticizing the guy, just saying $30 is the least they should aim for.

How Evil...

That’s it. That’s the campaign ad.

And MAGAts are losing their mind on xitter

I've said it before, and I'll keep saying it. I wish every democrat was as much of an insane leftwing socialist as republicans make them out to be
- I wouldn't mind Joe Biden from the memes.

its consumption for boomers.

Anyone taking bets yet on how long it will be before he gets "disappeared"?
- He won't. But an insane amount of money is going to be poured on a smearing campaign and support of an independent candidate, because to ultra-wealthy dems donors, better a Republican than a socialist.
  
  Isn't that most of history? Liberals, "centrists", et al would rather side with fascists than give an inch to labor.
  
  There will be a billionaire-funded recall campaign
- I am pretty sure whoever really Luigied Brian Thompson will Luigi any conspirators.
  But in all seriousness, he needs a major security detail at all times, and he needs to be pragmatic about public appearances.
  
  Everyone knows hemesley and witty conspired against him. In reality UHC was actually be investigated for insider trading, and he would be a weak point that can bring them all down.
- Or gets stringed along by the state at the behest of the billionaires, much like they did with Luigi, and gave trump so much leeway in his trials
- I bet it won't happen, or at least not until 2030. A perpetual "this person won't vanish" is really difficult to say with confidence.

When you're so out of touch that you're trying to make the guy look bad whilst in reality accidentally praising him

Affordable housing is a major part of Mamdani's platform which is fitting because he live rent free in their heads.

Free advertisement when you can get it right in their heads

I love this news! Good job you guys 👏

I already support Zohran, you don't have to keep selling!

USD$30 is a pretty good minimum wage. That's almost twice as much as I made at my first full-time job.
- Was it in New York and was it recently?
  
  canada, last decade
- what year, and how much exactly per hr. I would love to point out how inflation works to you. the average worker in the 50s at an entry level, no high school diploma required job, was making A LOT MORE than you'd guess after factoring in inflation.
  
  CAD$25, around a decade ago

Full mast

How dare they!

Don't threaten me with a good time 😏

Wow 30$ minimum wage seems like a lot, but how is that gonna impact prices in things like restaurants?
Edit: Sorry it seems high to be, it is almost twice as high as the legal minimum wage in NL.
- Who cares? Study after study show that stores and corporations can swallow these costs and even when passed on to the consumer the increase is much less then thought.
  Besides as long as people can afford groceries I don't think people will care if restaurant and fast food are a bit more expensive
  
  Can you link one of those studies? Truly interested in the subject.
  The restaurants I have/had as clients all had only 1 or 2 locations, but one of their main expenses is well wage cost. At least here in NL and with my clients. Increasing the wage there would require a price increase or they would go to the negative. I am just wondering how it would impact in the US.
- Raising consumer prices because of increased minimum wage is a myth. Even fucking Henry Ford of all people knew the benefits of raising wages! More wages means more people buying his cars! More wages means more consumer spending! And it is not like raising minimum wage is what drove prices to increase since the pandemic; even though the minimum wage has been stagnant since the 1970s! Businesses will tell you that they have to increase their price because of "inflation" despite having record profits!
  
  Depends on the company, that's why I am asking. In companies where wages are the main cost (like in many restaurants) raining the wages will raise the total costs. Which can mean they will go into the negative if the prices aren't increasing as well. I have seen a fair amount of administrations/annual reports of restaurants. And it was pretty common to spend at least as much on food as on the personel costs (wages, social security, pension, etc.)
  30$ is a lot compared to the minimum wage 14,40€ (16,84$) we have in NL. Which is why I am asking what the impact of it would be in the US of such an increase.
  (Yes it will not matter for MacDonalds, Burger King or any other big chains)