This viral video has people talking about Christianity versus ‘MAGA Christianity’

I always laugh when I hear shit like this, there is an old german saying my father taught me. "When there are 9 Nazis at a table, and you go sit with them, there are 10 Nazis at the same table".
If you are sharing the same church with them then you are sharing the same ideology. Start kicking these maga fucks out of your churches and I might start believing you.
- It’s a crying shame that I’ve had to do the same with some of my extended family. They’ve gone ultra MAGA and I’m sorry I cannot support you when you want to harm others.
  
  I lost a childhood friend to the MAGA cult. It sucks, I knew him since elementary school. He slowly became angrier, then he one day was just all out hateful saying the most vile hateful crap he could and I just cut ties completely.
  The stupidest part is I heard through someone else that "he has no idea why I wont talk to him". I didn't ghost him, I told him to his face on my way out his door for the last time that "I will not tolerate hatred, never speak to me again."
  I suspect most of maga are the same way, they know full well what a massive piece of shit they are, the problem is that they are proud of it.
- 30But their scribes and Pharisees murmured against his disciples, saying, Why do ye eat and drink with publicans and sinners? 31And Jesus answering said unto them, They that are whole need not a physician; but they that are sick. 32I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
  Luke 5
  
  They aren't repenting and don't consider themselves sinners.
- Red-Letter Christians
  Red-Letter Christians is a non-denominational movement within Evangelical Christianity. "Red-Letter" refers to New Testament verses and parts of verses printed in red ink, to indicate the words attributed to Jesus without the use of quotation marks.
  The organization was founded by Tony Campolo and Shane Claiborne in 2007 with the aim of bringing together evangelicals who believe in the importance of insisting on issues of social justice mentioned by Jesus (in red in some translations of the Bible). They believe Christians should be paying attention to Jesus's words and example by promoting biblical values such as social justice issues. These issues include the fight against poverty, the defense of peace, building strong families, respecting human rights and welcoming foreigners.
  
  Or, you know, Just don't be a dick. It's really not that hard.
- They will never kick out a donor. As long as they keep tossing cash or checks into the donation plate, then they will accept them with open arms.
- Start kicking these maga fucks out of your churches
  You say that, but when people start saying these MAGA fucks aren't Christian the only response they get is "No True Scotsman. Anyone who claims they are a Christian is a Christian."
  So they aren't free to disassociate from the MAGA fucks and then are vilified for being associated with them. For all we know this nurse's Church has kicked out these MAGA fucks, but the MAGA fucks go to a different unconnected church so this nurse is still accountable for them for some reason.
  
  It's very fucking easy to dissociate from those fuck sticks, you kick them out or you leave. you don't speak to them, you don't tolerate them in any way.
  Myself and many people like me have managed it quite easily.
  All you are doing is further enabling them with your stupid apologetics horse shit.
- There are more than one church.
  
  The kid said “churches”. It’s right there.
  
  And yet all of them are full of bastards.
- Hey @prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone, can you please explain to @the_riviera_kid@lemmy.world that people cannot kick these maga fucks out of their churches, or how doing so would be irrelevant, because "No True Scotsman" as per your comment here?
  This is the problem. Christians are blamed for not disassociating themselves entirely from MAGA, and when they do and try to state as much the response is "nO tRuE sCoTsMaN!@!!1!".
  
  I can't speak for anyone else, but my disgust for Christianity is separate from its involvement in MAGA (that just adds to it).
- You do understand that acceptance... is the point...
  
  Hate is never acceptable.
  
  Like tolerance, acceptance is a social contract.

I think most atheists I know are much closer to the christian values that the church and people who consider themselves christians are. Almost funny how a religion that's supposed to be built on sharing, tolerance and love have produce to most selfish intolerent people filled with hatred.
- Just a quick reminder that stonetoss is a nazi
  
  I mean, that guy looks pretty athy, but is he really the athiest?
- MAGA Christians would be so pissed to learn about the real Jesus if they could read
- Studies have consistently shown that atheists/agnostics are also as knowledgeable or more knowledgeable about world religions and even Christianity than Christians themselves, especially in the USA.
- This pissess me off so much. I was raised in christian family. And I mean motherfucking christian. I was taught from young age to show compassion, to help other, to help others up even if I don't personally like them. This is what it means to me to be christian. Compassion, love, and charity. Help others without asking for anything back.
  Which is also core of fucking theoretical communism, so no wonder that also fell.
  But it pissess me off when I meet people who are soooooo fucking hardcore believers, each sunday in church, always praising god and then they start the goddamn gossip of the day. Because Annie has a man of a slightly darker carnation, it's obvious Annie is abused, poor Annie but in the end Annie knew what she was doing, oh that poor hoe hope she finds god in her life. FFS these gossipin pseudo-christians should find god in their life -.-'
  There's epigram in polish, fun little thing by Jan Kochanowski. Translation would be
  "If you're not sinning, as you're telling me, why are you, dear, confessing so often?".

They (Christian MAGA) don't care. I have a family member I shared this verse, and many others with, and they only got angry at me. This was months ago.
They simply don't care. Not about what Jesus said, and not about any of us.
- My brain is still as broken as my relationship with my father when he looked me straight in the eyes and told me that yes, Jesus would be ok putting kids in cages.
  
  Yeah shit is rough, man. I haven't spoken to my parents since January 20.
  I put the ball in their court and said that all they need to do is disavow Trump, or even just say they made a mistake by voting for/supporting him. That's it.
  Nothing. Apparently clinging onto this hatred is more important than having a relationship with their son.
- It's always best to address stuff like this with a very wide grin and say "Ah, it's good to know that for all your self-righteousness and false piety, you will burn in hell, and Jesus will weep knowing his sacrifice meant nothing to you. Ta!"
  You don't even need to believe it, it just really gets under people's skin. Fuck 'em.
  
  Or as ol' JC would have called them: pharisees, liars, hypocrites.
- They got...angry? What, typical "don't sass me" or what? What did they saaaay?
  I know it's not my place to ask but just soooo curious ;-;
  
  Not the person you were asking, but I got kicked out of youth group for saying evolution and the bible could co-exist. There's that verse about how a thousand years is like a day for god, so clearly the 7 days of creation means evolution could have been god's mechanism of creation, right?
  The youth group leader just told me I was wrong and said I could leave if I wanted to disagree, so I left.
  A few years after that, I quit the church for good because they didn't want to help the community after a tornado because said community was full of demon worshipers (aka, catholics). It made me realize the bible was full of shit, because the pastor was able to believe that god somehow loves sinners, and but also we shouldn't help sinners, because god wants them to suffer for not loving him back the right way? If heaven is full of those people, I really don't want to go there.
- Realizing cognitive dissonance can often manifest as anger - is it possible you were beginning to get through to them? Obviously I wasn't there, I'm just looking for more information!

- Beautifully stated and thank you for the morning laugh!
  I hope you don't mind if I quote you from time to time. Have a great day.

Yes! Matthew 25:32 is one of the best examples of how warped MAGA & Christianity has become.
34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’
37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’
40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’
I quote this passage a lot because it’s very explicit about going to heaven or not. It’s based on good acts, outlined briefly here. I don’t get how any MAGA person can read that and agree with our current policy. It’s anti-Christian.
- There was a news article a while ago about maga hats saying their church was repeating "liberal talking points", when the pastor was simply quoting Jesus.
  https://www.newsweek.com/evangelicals-rejecting-jesus-teachings-liberal-talking-points-pastor-1818706
  Most of the maga hats don't care. They found their tribe and that's all that matters to them now.
  Facts and quotes don't change people's minds. In-group belonging does. So long as they see you as an enemy, they won't listen to anything you say. We're all vulnerable to that, but maga hats seem especially vulnerable.
  
  MAGA still lives in the times between 1680 to 1880, mentally.
  A time when people had 6 children on average, the mindset that we call "conservative" today worked out, men did blue-collar jobs while women stayed at home and cared for their children.
  That was a prosperous, interesting time from the point of view of white settlers. MAGA still things back at that time, and thinks, if they can just behave the same way that people back then did, they'll have the same, prosperous way of life.
  Fact is, that way of life stopped working because the circumstances changed. All of US is settled, there's no more space, people can't have 6 children anymore, it doesn't make sense for women to stay at home anymore.
  MAGA has yet to realize that.
  
  Thanks for sending me this.
- The rest of the passage hit harder. First, the setup
  31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
  32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
  33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
  Then your section about "the right". Then the rest
  41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
  42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
  43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
  44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
  45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
  46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
  
  As you correctly put, all sacred texts are better informed by their context & message as a whole. As a Unitarian Universalist, I’m not particularly happy with the ending of that passage, because it goes against my beliefs (I don’t think hell is real). But it does set the tone.

I wish Christians in red states were Christians.
I’ve taken to begging churches in my state to investigate the states systemic refusal to investigate the physical and sexual abuse of children. I’ll see if our “Christians” believe in the words of Christ.
- They will pray about it. God's will and all that.
  
  Yeah, probably.
  But like Kierkegaard’s Knight of Faith, I’m attempting to make the infinite movement and have hope in the impossible. We’ll see if the someone shows up to save Isaac.
  
  Praying is literally just thinking with extra steps.
- Strictly speaking, I don't think there's a single scripture that specifically calls out sexual abuse of children. There's general prohibitions against sex outside of marriage and such, but nothing that applies directly to pedophilia.
  You get there by not being a monster. Literal, direct interpretations of the Bible won't do it.
  
  If anyone causes one of these little ones—those who believe in me—to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.
  Matthew 18:6
  It often interpreted to refer to people who are new to the faith, but I think that it includes children too.
- I wish Christians in red states were Christians.
  They are whether you like that or not.
  I’ll see if our “Christians” believe in the words of Christ.
  Pretty sure your savior had a lot to say about judging others.
  
  I don't think they are. Just calling yourself Christian doesn't mean you are.
  
  They are whether you like that or not.
  “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven."
  -Matthew 7:21
  Pretty sure your savior had a lot to say about judging others.
  “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves."
  -Matthew 7:15
  
  Faith Without Works Is Dead
  14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
  18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without [a]your works, and I will show you my faith by [b]my works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is [c]dead? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made [d]perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was [e]accounted to him for righteousness.” And he was called the friend of God. 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.
  25 Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way?
  26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
  
  ^understanding falls short.
  
  Matthew 25:41-46 is pretty clear on who the “goats” are.
  I’m not even a Christian, but that’s a really cute way to understand Matthew 7:1-3, and not really relevant here :)

The Bible is also abundantly clear about being misogynist and homophobic (even in the New Testament). Skipping over those parts gives an evil book/religion a pass. Fuck Christianity.
- its always been about power and control. A population in fear of eternal damnation is easier to manipulate.
- Yup. Also condones slavery.
- In the New Testament, that stuff all comes from Paul. Paul was a conservative asshole. He was the first evangelical Christian, in both the historical and modern sense.
  
  Fuckin Paul, bro. Imo, evangelicals worship him as their savior way more than Jesus
- I don't think this thread is about whether the Bible is a valid moral/ ethical guideline nowadays, but rather if the actions of those who pretend to follow it match it. Which it doesn't.
  
  You seem to have missed my point. The Bible is the holy book for Christianity, and because it's clear on things like homophobia and misogyny we can state that Christianity is pro those things. When people say that MAGA Christians are not behaving like real Christians, they are being dishonest and putting a pretty face on an evil thing. Their actions help keep the bronze age bullshit bad people use to justify their behavior around.
  I'm very tired of the general societal belief that Christianity is actually good and some people are just doing it wrong. Christianity is bad. Its effects on our society are bad. We would be better off if it (and religion in general) went away.
- The homophobia was likely a mistranslation. The misogyny isn't though. It's not evil in and of it's self. It's stupid and useful for controlling the stupid. Still fuck it but fuck the Baptists extra deep
  
  "Likely" is a pretty strong statement when scholars aren't in agreement (based on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romans_1, I did not read a bunch of articles myself). Saying it's not evil when it advocates for evil things doesn't track for me, but it seems we're on the same page about Christianity in general.

If jesus came back today, mega will definitely deport him to a concentration camp

I'll tell you exactly why these trump supporting Christians don't realize this, it's because most of them don't actually think critically about what's actually in the Bible. They have piss poor media literacy, and their example of Christianity is what their probably racist parents and community instilled into them. That's how my father is.
- ...pretty much this: they're conformant authoritarians and christian nationalism just happens to be the cultural identity in which they were raised...
  
  Exactly. It has nothing to do with following Jesus, and everything with cultural identity. They identify as Christian because they were raised that way, not because they actually care about anything Jesus said.

The broader truth is that you can't be Christian and be pro-Capitalist.
Once you remove Capitalism as the base, the entire "prosperity gospel" falls apart.

I watched several of her videos. As an atheist I find her position refreshing.

Jesus is definitely an amalgamation of a variety of stories and characters. I believe a real Jesus existed and was really killed by the state for what he did on what they celebrate as Palm Sunday, he mocked the emperor and was killed. He likely also mocked the Jewish leaders of his time and the Mystery Cults/public perception of Jews in his time.
Example; the Eucharist was an act of mockery towards Mystery Cult rituals and the negative stereotypes of Jews.
The Bible Jesus and much of his teachings are a culmination of thought put upon one character to tell a story like Gilgamesh (who was also a carpenter), any Roman-Greco hero, King Arthur. The story of the three wise men is, in my opinion, the idea that Eastern/foreign thought is introduced somehow namely Zoroastrianism. The dude lived in Palestine and likely alongside heavy trade routes into Rome, probably got exposed to interesting folk. He's born in both Nazareth and Bethlehem? Sounds to me like he's all these different folks smooshed into one story.
In my opinion, Jesus is anti-authoritarian first and foremost, likely some form of socialist. And likely a punk.
Kurt Cobain is probably closer to Jesus than any Republican.
- Jesus is anti-authoritarian first and foremost
  I mean, he did exhort his followers to sell their shirts and buy swords!
- The Roman empire was putting to death many prophets and god incarnates. The innovation of the Jesus story was that he didn't stay dead, but he also conveniently didn't stick around.
  
  Curiously in all those stories in Josephus Rome killed the messianic upstarts immediately without trial and killed the followers they could get their hands on.
  Yet the canonical story has multiple trials and doesn't have any followers being killed.
  Also, I'm surprised more people don't pick up on how strange it is that the canonical stories all have Peter 'denying' him three times while also having roughly three trials (Herod, High Priest, Pilate). Peter is even admitted back into the guarded area where a trial is taking place to 'deny' him. But oh no, it was totally that Judas guy who betrayed him. It was okay Peter was going into a guarded trial area to deny him because…of a rooster. Yeah, that makes sense.
  It's extremely clear to even a slightly critical eye that the story canonized is not the actual story, even with the magical thinking stuff set aside.
  Literally the earliest primary records of the tradition is a guy known for persecuting Jesus's followers writing to areas he doesn't have authority to persecute and telling them to ignore any versions of Jesus other than the one he tells them about (and interestingly both times he did this spontaneously suggesting in the same chapter that he swears he doesn't lie and only tells the truth).
- the Eucharist was an act of mockery towards Mystery Cult rituals
  More likely the version we ended up with was intentionally obfuscated from what it originally was.
  Notice how in John, which lacks any Eucharist ritual, that at the last supper bread is being dipped much as there's ambiguous dipping in Mark? But it's characterized as a bad thing because it's given to Judas? And then Matthew goes even further changing it to a 'hand' being dipped?
  Does it make sense for the body of an anointed one to not be anointed before being eaten?
  Look at how in Ignatius's letter to the Philadelphians he tells them to "avoid evil herbs" not planted by god and "have only one Eucharist." Herbs? Hmmm. (A number of those in that anointing oil.)
  There's a parallel statement in Matthew 15 about "every plant" not planted by god being rooted up.
  But in gThomas 40 it's a grapevine that's not planted and is to be rooted up. Much as in saying 28 it suggests people should be shaking off their wine.
  Now, again kind of curious that the Eucharist ritual of wine would have excluded John the Baptist who didn't drink wine and James the brother of Jesus who was also traditionally considered to have not drunk wine, or honestly any Nazarite who had taken a vow not to drink wine.
  I'm sure everyone is familiar with the idea Jesus was born from a virgin. This results from Matthew's use of the Greek version of Isaiah 7:14 instead of the Hebrew where it's simply "young woman." But almost no one considers that line in its original context with the line immediately after:
  Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign. Look, the young woman is with child and shall bear a son and shall name him Immanuel. He shall eat curds and honey by the time he knows how to refuse the evil and choose the good.
  You know, like the curds and honey ritual referenced by the Naassenes who were following gThomas. (Early on there was also a ritual like this for someone's first Eucharist or after a baptism even in canonical traditions but it eventually died out.)
  Oh and strange that Pope Julius I in 340 CE was banning a Eucharist with milk instead of wine…
  Now, the much more interesting question is why there were efforts to change this, but that's a long comment for another time.

MAGA is a cult. There's nothing Christian about it.
- Most white evangelical Christianity is a cult as well, with beliefs that directly contradict their own scriptures.
  
  Most blatant is the "Prosperity Gospel", which blatantly and directly preaches the polar opposite of what Jesus said explicitly several times.
- There’s nothing Christian about it.
  You fucking wish.
- They seem pretty inline with much of Christian history

So, which one keeps giving it septic tanks full of dead babies?
And why the fuck do we tolerate this shit existing when that's the benign version?
- https://www.snopes.com/news/2025/06/18/796-children-septic-tank-ireland/

the problem with religion, and the reason it should be completely eradicated, is that you can spend your entire life trying to explain how one interpretation of the stone age holy book is "wrong," while the other person does exactly the same thing with you, and there is no valid proof that either side is "right." meanwhile people are killing each other over the whole thing. it's all such fucking bullshit.
it's time for the human species to grow up and stop wasting time (not to mention lives) with religion
- Meh. If social media served a purpose, to me, it was to show just how many dimwits are out there who will beg for someone to tell them what to do and how to act and what to think.
  You can take religion from them, but they won't stop being gullible and lost, and they'll just fall prey to the next scumbag with no scruples that comes along, be it a politician or some other con artist.
  The problem isn't religion - it's an excuse, a cover.
  
  I agree in part. But most of these people are as gullible as they are BECAUSE of religion. They're taught from birth to follow unquestioningly, and to trust their feelings over evidence. (I know, I was one) Without religion, then indoctrinating children wouldn't be as easy or widespread.
  
  Unfortunately, I think you are right.
  Even as we see adherence to xtianity slowly dying off, I'm not sure I am seeing evidence that people are getting any better at spotting logical fallacies and not falling under the spell of cults like donvict/qanon (and conservatism/Republicanism in general), Randroidism or being duped by ridiculous conspiracy theories. Which is weird, because even as it's become nearly frictionless to do a quick check on something whether it's by your favorite search engine or an LLM, it's like people refuse to do exactly that, and instead wait for whatever their modern version of a guru (lying liars on Faux, Youtube feeds, IG, podcasts, etc...) tells them to think about the matter.
  As much as I hated the hot take from the bothsiderist types about the "new atheists" and claiming any atheism was just another religion ( 🙄 demonstrating they don't really understand definitions ) I do think the South Park episode where they lampoon all of that was probably not too far from the mark...meaning the future part where there is a war between different factions of atheism...I mean, given the way the typical person approaches these things. It's like some people really desperately want someone else to do all of their thinking for them.
  
  Opium for the masses
  
  i see your point, but what "excuse" or cover is better, or even as effective, at hoodwinking people en masse into throwing away critical thinking and denying reality the way religion does? forcing people into a perpetual state of desire while also proclaiming those desires to be "evil" means your flock is saturated with guilt, fear, and shame, willing to do "gods will" in order to win infinite reward in the afterlife. after they die of course
  and of course "god's will" is different for every person you ask, even within the same church
- You can do the same thing with philosophy or ethics. Check out The Good Place on Netflix or torrent. Chidi isn't much different from some religious scholars
  
  "I think, therefore I am..." "...gonna eradicate large portions of humanity through violence"
  -Descartes, full quote without omissions-

Religion is a cancer on mankind.
- That was one of the core tenets of Zoroastrianism.

The Gospel of Supply Side Jesus, an excerpt from Al Franken's Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them - Beliefnet https://share.google/SHxHP3CZmxXC7m8j0
this has always been relevant

If you interpret monotheism as incompatible with materialism and as prescriptive of equality, most Jews, Christians and Muslims lose it at the first commandment.
Edit: Self included, naturally.
- Why though? Don’t get me wrong, I probably agree with your point of even not your numbered selection.
  “I am the lord; thy god” doesn’t even really say anything.
  
  I think they might have meant the second commandment.

No True Christian
No True MAGA
No True Scotsman

I am happily MAGA= I am happily fascist.

Hahahha american christianity is schisming
- To be fair, the schisms have been occurring for like 200 years.
  
  More like 500. At this point, they're fractally schismatic.

I'm just glad people can tell the difference between Christ and Trump, the beast of revelation

It’s all Christianity. Whenever Christians act horribly, a different group of christians always come out saying “they’re not REAL Christians “ how convenient. The thing is they ARE Christians, because you don’t need an official membership card to get in.
It’s a cop out to brush away these people as not one of you, but they are. These are the dregs of your religion, this is the end game to certain branches of your religion. You don’t get to brush them under the carpet and pretend they don’t represent you , cause they do. Own these people and fix your religion which often leads to this. Don’t just keep pretending that this isn’t part of Christianity
- It's the No True Scotsman fallacy. Sorry, a plurality of Americans are megachurch evangelicals. Their leadership is in bed with MAGA, which makes them complicit.

Wtf is MAGA Christianity? Is that a new word for bigotry?
- It's Christianity but without the teachings of Christ.
  
  Supply Side Jesus
  
  So it's just Ianity.
  
  I'm hoping that next time they take the nazi out of nazizm.
- It's easy to call it NatC.

Just now thinking about it?

I read about this story today and looked her up. Why do so many people watch her content? I genuinely couldn't get through more than 30 seconds of anything she's posted. Not that she's a bad person, and I hold nothing against her personally, but it's just utterly uninteresting to boredom. Like photos of food but of people.

fuck off with that shit. too little too late. ACAB. destroy all religions for the future of humanity
- I often feel this way and my inner-angry-atheist called the shots for years, but so many of us have done this, and we've formed a bubble thinking angry atheism is spreading and it's not. In reality we've just ceded the most important debates, the ones that morality can be baked into - LGBT rights, immigrant rights, death penalty, etc - leaving the left without the support we need to win in these arenas.
  If you really want progressive ideals to win, drop the attitude about religion, run the other way - embrace religious progressives, support progressive faith communities, and watch as we start winning elections again.
  
  I stopped being an angry atheist once the religion-inflicted trauma was a thing of the past. For the past few decades, I've been a jolly atheist.
  embrace religious progressives, support progressive faith communities, and watch as we start winning elections again
  Allies are allies, but don't kind yourself about how big a slice of the electorate you're talking about. They're vastly outnumbered by the snake-juggling hatemongers.
  
  nah

In the United States, evangelical Christianity is the dominant religion, and MAGA is part of their doctrine.

Maga Christianity is be good to people who look like you and everyone else is a demon

MAGA = Inhuman.
Lives are saved by supporting this nurse in getting her fellow Christians to stop following MAGA twats.
Now isn't the time to dilute her impact by debating the pros and cons of various beliefs. We have a facist to beat.
- Inhuman? Im pretty sure doing terrible things is exclusive to humans.

Most "Christians" have never actually read their own handbook, and just stick with shit they've heard that reinforces their venomous beliefs.

There isn't a meaningful difference between the most moderate Christians and the Accelerationist Doomsayers, the only difference is the random person who controls the flock and what ideology they force on the group.
But if this gets idiots to shame religious people for falling for con men hopefully it does some good?
- You know the David Frum quote?
  “ If conservatives become convinced they cannot win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. They will reject democracy.”
  That doesn’t just apply to democracy. It applies to religion, too. They were never believers in scripture or Jesus socialist-humanist teachings. They are blind adherents of authoritarianism, and that is ultimately all that matters. Everything else is a smoke screen.
  When you corner an authoritarian with “their own” scripture (which is very easy because very few actually know any of it, besides a few choice out-of-context snippets fed to them by their leaders), they will casually dismiss the entire conversation and walk away. Maybe they will say something like “even the devil can quote scripture”, without ever bothering to engage with the topic itself.
  
  I also think it's crazy how few American Christians understand to what level their ideology has been coopted by right wing extremists.
  Nixon, and then Reagan, worked with celebrity megachurch pastors to manufacture abortion and anti gay beleifs in churches as a wedge issue.
  Almost all political rhetoric from large churches since the 70s has been an attempt to create issues that Christians never had and then abuse their religious faith to maintain loyal and hateful voters for conservatives.
  And it worked.

Jesus was definitely not liberal. He was a socially-conservative socialist. Pope Francis is probably a good modern example.
- I'm not sure that modern political terminology, especially with regards to something like socialism, really fits someone who predates even the invention of those words. Sure, you can find similarities, but you can't always expect consistency with it in all their positions if the person in question got to those positions in a very different manner.
  
  There's nothing special about socialism.

Christians are evil people.
They celebrate their “savior” being murdered
They’re all insane and have victim persecution complexes
They think that being persecuted makes them good.
But they aren’t persecuted. And they persecute others.
Christians are the worst.

I ain’t seen the video so it ain’t viral

Clearly suffering from TDS.
- TDS is a thing, but you've misidentified who suffers from it.
  
  Amazing how you all missed the sarcasm. I am honestly shocked at what I have to blatantly call out as sarcasm here.
  How many trumpets you actually get in here? I haven't encountered any, it is all moderates arguing with tankies/socialist/anarchist.

This is why you hang out with Catholics instead of the evil christians.
- This is why you hang out with people with good heart no matter the religion.
- Like Paul Ryan and Rick Santorum?
  The more conservative American Catholics have a theology that's closer to the right-wing, protestant-derived groups around them. Ask Paul or Rick about how their views on evolution jive with the Vatican's official position, and they'll start to squirm.
  
  Yeah its why you hang with the Jesuits. And mostly stick to talking about the natural world
- I don't think the US evangelicals really qualify as christians. They've created their own thing based on the same symbology, and have kept some of the names, but it has very little in common.
  
  Everything they say, do, teach, and proselytize is overtly “anti-christ”.
- Are you joking?