6d ago

Ukraine deliberately blindsided Trump before massive drone attack on Russia

www.thedailybeast.com

Ukraine Deliberately Blindsided Trump Before Massive Drone Attack on Russia

Donald Trump was deliberately left in the dark about Ukraine’s unprecedented drone strike in Russia on Sunday, which destroyed nearly a third of the Kremlin’s strategic bomber fleet in a surprise attack.

The large-scale drone attack saw a fleet of drones scattered all across Russia carry out simultaneous attacks on five airbases, wiping out 40 irreplaceable military bombers worth an estimated $7 billion, which have been used to reign terror upon Ukrainian civilians.

“Operation Spider-Web” took over 18 months to plan and was personally overseen by Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, a source told CBS News.

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6d ago

Ukraine Deliberately Blindsided Trump Before Massive Drone Attack on Russia

www.thedailybeast.com /ukraine-deliberately-blindsided-trump-before-massive-drone-attack-on-russia/

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Why would anyone even consider telling any politicians of foreign nations about a top secret project like that, much less blabbermouths like Donald Trump?
- I'd be surprised if Ukraine isn't feeding Trump false info to see if Russia reacts to it
  
  Dont know about false, but a good mix of low priority targets.
- Between nations that share trust and respect, theoretically, it would give them time to reposition themselves to the coming reality, and perhaps more importantly, give any assets they have in the area a warning to keep their heads down/not step on any toes.
  
  Even at the height of WW2 the Allies kept secrets from each other. Churchill had no idea the US had the Atom Bomb until it was deployed.
  
  You are confusing nations with people. You can't trust a nation (or any other organization), you can only trust individuals because an organization can always contain individuals of diametrically opposed behaviors.
- "Deliberately blindsided" is a little strong. We're not even officially an ally of Ukraine. They don't owe us, or anyone else jack shit as far as their war plans for defending their country. Add to that the fact that Trump is credibly accused of being a Russian asset and defers to their interests 99% of the time... Why the fuck would you trust us right now!?
- Yeah, frankly I think it wouldn't even be good to tell Biden about it, he would likely discourage from that move. At best he would pretend he did not know about it.
  
  aparently that's what they have been doing. This attack was in the works for quite a while
  
  Biden supplied Ukraine with long range missiles even while Putin was sabre rattling nukes.
- in a trusting ally relationship this would probably be fairly normal. In this case especially since the US is providing a lot of intel.
  
  To Ukraine or Russia?
  
  Intel is very different from secrets. Secrets can be blown wide open if they are leaked by one person.

Considering Trump is a Russian asset, that was a smart move to keep him out of the loop.
- They need to false flag him next time
  
  I’m struggling to think of how that would work. Have a Ukrainian agent pretend to be his Russian handler?
  In reality, Trump’s biggest use to Zelensky is for strategic disinformation. Occasionally “leak” info to Trump, knowing it will get passed directly to Russia.

Yeah you don't typically tell the enemy about your secret attack plans
- You don't sound qualified to be the secretary of defense. Here, this bottle might help with that.
  /s.
- 😬

Oh, is that why it was such an effective attack?

"Ukraine doesn't give intel to obvious Russkie mole"
Yeah, no shit
- I would be more curious to know if there is anyone downstream of Trump working within the Pentagon/CIA that's still actively coordinating US intelligence with Ukranian forces.
  Like, is the entire US military cut out of Ukrainian operations at the NATO level. Or is some faction within the Joint Chiefs pulling a SpaceX and giving Trump/Hegseth the Elon Musk busy-box while they run things outside his purview?

As is appropriate.
I'm trying to recall a disco song from, I believe, the 1970s whose lyrics in the chorus went somewhat like the following - though I might be mistaken:
"That's the way uh-huh, uh-huh, I like it, uh-huh, uh-huh"
- Not totally sure of the relevance, but you're thinking of K.C. & The Sunshine Band's 1975 That's the Way (I Like It).

Why inform Putin's removed?

Ukraine is a sovereign country, they don't need to tell Don anything.
- Exactly. As a courtesy they might give trusted allies a few hours notice, or at least inform them when the op has started. But unless they needed the assistance of an ally in planning and preparing such an attack then informing anybody well ahead of time serves no useful purpose at all.
  
  No US weaponry was used in this righteous attack either, literally no reason to put the US in the loop
- Ukraine is a sovereign country
  NATO to the left of me. Putler to the right.
  Ukraine's a few steps shy of Kurdistan when it comes to sovereignty. They don't even bother with elections anymore, given how much of the country is contended or outright occupied. So much of the killing and the dying is about changing that.
  
  If it's been said to a Russian troll once, it's been said a thousand times now. Ukraine's constitution doesn't allow for elections during a state of war.
  
  So much of the killing and the dying is about changing that.
  What the actual fuck are you saying? Are you implying that Russia is doing Ukraine a favor by initiating the killing so Ukraine can become part of Russia to avoid the killing that Russian could’ve simply not done?

Plans love silence.
And it's never been truer. Doesn't even matter who sits in White House, strictly Ukrainian business that had to pass through as little ears as possible.

Good. He'd have fucking spilled the beans
- He would have literally called Putin and tried to make a ‘deal’ the second he heard any plans
  I don’t like this planet anymore 👍

The u.s is not an ally to any of us, we have to purposely hide things from them or government and treat them as spies for Russia.
- The US isn't even an ally to itself.

Was it because Trump didn’t say “thank you” after the last time Ukraine shared top secret war plans?
- But I bet Putin said "thank you" when he received said plans...

LOOK AT THE FIREPLACE! No fake spray gold ornamentation! What the shit?!? Is the Oval Office a reality tv show set? Compare the fireplace from when Zelenskyy visited to Ramaphosa’s visit on May 25:
That’s some heinous Temu-quality decor! stay classy USA
🤡
- I'll bet he picked out all that shiny crap all by himself. Probably had a blast looking through some tacky catalogue, picking out the most ostentatious tchotchkies, knowing that the government was picking up the tab. Only real gold for the president, none of that gold-plated garbage.
  I'll bet he takes it all home with him as well. We can fix that by putting him in a jail cell for life, then auction off this gold crap to pay for his keep.
  
  There's an article I read a few months ago when he finished the "redecorating" and somebody did some digging and was able to pretty convincingly match a lot of the gaudy pieces to cheap wood accent pieces that you buy from Home Depot, so somebody just bought the ugliest shit they could find and spray painted it... Or maybe got fancy and dipped it.
- 😭🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯 stay classy murica

Should have fed him a false location and then monitored Putin's move. Would have confidently proven that tRump is an asset if moves were made to the fake target. Trap this fucker and then public punishment!
- Should have fed him a false location and then monitored Putin’s move.
  Putin, the Saudis, Israel, FIFA...
  Trump's White House possibly has the highest listening-devices-per-sqft of any office on the planet. I wonder if signal interference is a problem.
  
  I can just see Putin, Saudis, Netanyahu sitting around a table bickering about who gets the best bandwidth from listening equipment at the oval office, because little children just refuse to share...
  
  It works like Mr. Burns' immune system. Everyone is trying to listen in on Trump, but they step on each others toes and cancel out.
  Star Fleet Intelligence also operates on this principle.
- Or maybe this op was withheld because they had already done that.
  
  Hopefully, we don't hear about some intelligence agent with a new book coming out in the future regarding how tRump was a known asset for the Kremlin and how he was caught red-handed giving info to Putin in some false-flag operation.

“Operation Spider-Web” took over 18 months to plan
Either they left the Biden admin out of the loop too, or Biden went scorched Earth on Ukraine intelligence after the election to protect Ukraine.
- I would imagine the first one to be true. There's no reason to inform everyone about it. I also predict Biden would be against it.
  
  Biden and Sullivan would have been talking about how this is too much escalating and fucking threw a fit. Those dudes sucked and with a less afraid President of the US, Ukraine could have repulsed Russia in the first year with top of the line American arms but Biden was a fucking asshole who sacrificed Ukrainian lives for nothing
- This is the sort of op they would typically notify an ally of when it is actually imminent or just got started. If Biden was still in the White House my guess is he would have been given roughy 72 hours notice or less.
- or Biden went scorched Earth on Ukraine intelligence
  Knowing what's at stake, what's being shared and who's taking over, I would hope Biden would have insisted on no mics, no papers, no record, no witnesses. Just a friendly hug between friends and a chat about upcoming vacations.
- The US election was 8 months ago. The operation was probably still in the planning stages. After that day, Ukraine would have known not to share any sensitive info with the US unless absolutely necessary, knowing that a Putin fanboy would soon have his hands on it. Had Biden still been in office today, he may have gotten a heads up before the actual execution, but then again, why would he need it. It is not like that information would have been actionable to anyone except the target.

- He would have blabbed it to the press. In the mideast. When asked "what do you think of the heat?"

There is nothing anyone should discuss with Cheeto, he is dumb and works for russians. There is absolutely no value in that person, he is a completely worthless useless being.
- He's worse than worthless, he's actively harmful
- Correction... he works only for himself.
  
  That's what Putin wants him to think

Even if he weren’t a Russian simp, why would Ukraine tell anyone? An 18 month long attack is just tooo much invested to risk losing the surprise

You do not inform enemy agents of your secret military operations.
- This first time I saw this headline I was like “YEAH, why would they???”

Because it's blatantly obvious he supports Russia how often has he accused Ukraine of starting the war by being invaded now?
Should probably use him to give the Russians false Intel.

As they should in the future as well.

I wouldn’t even tell trump what time it was, let alone something this hugely important. Trump should feel snubbed, because he’s an untrustworthy piece of taco shit.
Good on Ukraine.

He will throw a tantrum, demand to be in the loop. Next time he gets the intel, Russia prepares, but Ukraine will strike elsewhere 😂

What kind of twisted toxic argument is to phrase it like that and call it news?
- “Ukrainians didn’t directly endanger themselves and their long term military plans to inform unrelated enemy nation”

Why would a sovereign country, being attacked by a hostile neighbor, be required to inform ANYONE about their war plans? I wouldn't inform anyone, even my friends. They'll see it on the news, like everyone else.

You do what you must when your life is on the line
- And what you absolutely must do is not say a fuckin word to trump. Unless maybe you want him to pass disinformation to Putin.
  
  So, purposely say misleading things to him. Ideally things that harm him too when it gets obvious he snitched

Good, thats what they should do

I would not tell Krasnov jack shit about any military operation.

Probably sounds better in Ukrainian but "Operation Spider-web" is still fucking badass
- Apparebtly, it is Операція "Павутиння"... it sounds pretty badass to me

Good. The orange shitter has been pretty clear that he's no friend of Ukraine, there's absolutely no chance that he wouldn't have leaked that information to Russia just on the hope that daddy Putin would give him a pat on the head and pretend to be friends again.

this has been planned long before TACO came into office. how about something is not about mUrICa?

That's why it worked. We all know it.

They should feed the taco some fake intel, e.g. some abandoned shed in the middle of nowhere being a secret drone factory and if it gets obliterated the next day...

And the operation turned out to be a complete success! Looks like a good strategy going forward.
Not one person on this entire site can tell me anyone should trust tRump in ANY situation, let alone one where he has leverage over you and interest in... your stuff. Expect more of this by the way; turns out when you're a constant asshole to everyone, nobody wants to be around you or rely on you, let alone offer to extend help in your direction. I'm honestly baffled what people fucking expected, only brainrotted simps believe in the real adult world, on the global stage, you can twist everyone's arms to get your way without consequence forever. And only tRump can't see this cause that's been his ENTIRE life: No consequences ever for being the absolute worst person regarding character and conduct.

Duhhhhhhhh

Trump isn’t involved

What country is openly sharing top secret mission details with countries that are buddy-buddy with the enemy?
Such a clickbait article title + intro.

Guys they did the same for Biden. Sure, trump is Putins puppet but this is standard for such massive ops.

10. Having inward spies, making use of officials of the enemy.
12. Having doomed spies, doing certain things openly for purposes of deception, and allowing our spies to know of them and report them to the enemy.
You can't beat the classics.

What a rubbish article. Complete non-story.

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