The GOP Is Done with Democracy

i am feeling so impatient. just throw this asshat in federal prison already.
- Indeed. The only place he should go after MarALago and the court rooms.

that just means we're done with the GOP
- Sadly the GOP isn’t done with us.
  
  "in Soviet america, you don't vote for GOP, GOP votes for you!"
  
  that's what THEY think, son
  
  They've already tried their shit in a small town. Got hit by a chair, and someone swam in from two counties over to beat their asses. Didn't need guns or weapons, just a wholesome ass beating.

"If conservatives become convinced that they cannot win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism, they will abandon democracy." - David Frum

Been that way for a while now

Duh.

- while I get and in many ways agree with the sentiment, it is truthful to assert that there was a time when if the Republican Party lost elections, they would actually change their platform and try to win back voters. As American popular culture has shifted more and more to the left, however, now that it's pretty much unthinkable for the electoral map of 1984 to happen again, and they see it as an existential threat.
  
  You make a good point. I just wasn't alive to see that level of self reflection from the Rebublican party.

Judge Cannon watches Fox News? That's quite the surprise

Thought they were just starting their war on it?

- Popular vote is what the most number of people want. The idea that popular vote is bad is anti-democratic.
  
  Don't fall for it. Conservatives have been beating the It's a republic, not a democracy for many years now. They are too dumb to realize representative democracy is a form of democracy. We should have a direct democracy in electing the President. And I have no problem with Representatives voting on all the other stuff. Then again, a lot of times that means shit doesn't even come up for a vote because the controlling party will say some bullshit like "We don't have the votes to vote on it". I'm not sure how to fix that, aside from electing better reps, but humans sure like the incumbent, no matter how ineffectual they have been.
- Let's say you had s choice between two schools.
  School A makes an attempt to teach things that are true. Some teachers make less of an attempt than others and will make mistakes. Some will outright promote propaganda but are generally frowned upon by the others.
  School B has teachers that lie almost exclusively. Teachers who don't are being drummed out of the school as traitors to the school.
  Given how extremely similar these schools must appear to you, which do you pick?
  
  You just described actual schools, public schools are being controlled and stifled from teaching certain things via book bans now though, or new teaching restrictions. Meanwhile your school B example sounds like the now publicly funded private schools that just teach via indoctrination.
  A little close to home tbh..
- Hey, asshole. Why don't YOU change MY mind?! Cuz the last time I checked there was only one party that is willing to get in bed with antisemites, LGBTQ hate groups, fascists, white supremacists, and...uh...oh yeah, rich billionaires.
  Seems to me one party is a little more desperate to control the general population, and it certainly looks like that party doesn't care who they have to get into bed with to accomplish their nightmarish goals.
  So why don't you do the hard work for once and YOU change MY mind?
- Oooh! Oooooh! ☝🏻🤓 Le both sides bad!! LMAO I'M SO EDUCATED 🤣🤣🤣
- I certainly am in favor of a popular vote for president. The only reason anyone would want the president elected by a convoluted system whereby our votes don't directly count toward who we want to represent us all is because the system is currently benefiting their side disproportionately. The only reasons the electoral college exists at this point are to give some states an outsized weight on the end result and to override the will of the people in the form of faithless electors. But electors could've prevented the disastrous Trump presidency and chose not to, so if they're going to rubber stamp an unpopular and unqualified candidate, they are not fulfilling their original purpose.
  The only way I'm in favor of keeping the electoral college is if we uncap the size of the House of Representatives (which I think we should do anyway). The House no longer represents the makeup of the entire American public because it's now unnaturally skewed conservative and each representative represents over 700,000 constituents. If we'd kept expanding the House about the same rate we used to (and should), we'd have almost 700 representatives. This system is increasingly unfair and undemocratic.
- Okay, Crowder. Don't you have a podcast to blather on?
- Athenian democracy didn't even exist in Athens. Representation has always been part of democracy. They're not mutually exclusive or even distinct. Democratic governance requires government. Stop fucking this particular chicken.
  
  Democratic governance for whom?
  A privileged few, elected by a similarly privileged citizenry, wielded political authority through a monopoly on the force of violence. Ancient Athens for the poor, for women, and for non-Greeks was a dictatorship.
- We cannot change that which you do not possess.
- I think you’re confusing “democrats” with “democrat politicians”. You’re right that politicians on both sides are beholden to big money first and foremost.
- That's nice, but we're talking about the GOP right now.