U.S. declares military zone around El Paso, allowing soldiers to arrest migrants
U.S. declares military zone around El Paso, allowing soldiers to arrest migrants
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"The president gets expanded powers during an emergency"
"The president gets to declare what is an emergency"
Thanks Supreme Court and Congress. Who could have ever guessed that this system would be abused by an authoritarian. 🤷♂️
... This is unironically what all the rightwing conspiricists have been afraid of for two+ decades now.
This is what they thought Clinton, or Obama or somehow the UN or 'ZOG' would be able to use as the mechanism to instate tyranny.
... And now they are doing it themselves, so utterly deluded that they would short cicruit if you tried to explain this to them.
I grew up in a right wing nutjob household. This is what I was told my whole life, growing up. I was indoctrinated into it, and had to deconvert myself out of it similar how I had to deconvert out of christian extremism.
These people are perfect hypocrites.
Every accusation is a confession for them. They've been telling on themselves for decades.
Congress needs to pass a law requiring that any national emergency needs to be confirmed by a super majority of both the house and Senate within 15 calendar days of declaration. Or from 15 days of the passage of this law, whichever is later. An ongoing national emergency must be renewed by Congress before the sixth month of its declaration, but no earlier than it's fifth month. Then on a yearly basis starting from the anniversary of its declaration.
Failing that, all emergency powers the president wields are revoked.
In a true emergency, the assemblage of Congress is not an onerous task. Nor is the vote.
Didnt the house declare the remainder of their year 1 really long day so they couldnt be forced to vote on the tariffs as there already is a mechanism after 15 days for congress to say "yea thats not really an emergency"
Yep here is the Link
Yeah, this one is on congress. They had it up for a vote, and it went 49-49. That was about tarrifs, but it was the same idea as limiting the "emergency"
I would even go so far as require that vote/confirmation within 24hrs, especially if it's a real(tm) emergency.
It's 2025, we can reach anyone in an instant. And if circumstances require it, (I don't know, say everything west of the Mississippi goes missing), then make a list of who can check in(similar to the rules of succession for president) when the call goes out, and if they are able to respond.
I’d love for any military officer involved with this to explain why this isn’t a flagrant violation of the Posse Comitatus Act
This is why "Command said the latest military zone will be part of the Fort Bliss Army base in El Paso."
Effectively what happened was the land was turned into a part of the base. At every US base there is a line usually shortly before the gate, sometimes only at the fence line where you are considered "on base". Once you are on base military police can arrest you since they have jurisdiction on base. Kinda like how if you commit a crime in an unincorporated area, the sheriff will arrest you, not city cops since that's their jurisdiction.
Frankly though this type of move is unprecedented, as far as I know. While the fed can just give fed land to bases, I've never heard of it happening like this. It's a loophole to keep it legal on paper but not in spirit.
Never forget this: Everyone participating and 'just following orders' is also responsible, from the highest bureaucrats and generals to the lowest public servants and soldiers. Couldn't have a death camp without everyone greenlighting and then Private John Doe following orders and building it.
Good fucking luck, USA. And may god have mercy on your souls.
Some of the lowest public servants could be opposing things below the radar. Malicious compliance, intentional incompetence, etc. There's a reason that (outdated) sabotage handbook keeps going around, and there's certainly a lot of leaks and obvious fuckups in this government that may or may not be accidental. See: the DOJ court filing with an internal memo saying "lol this case is doomed"
But all of the pilots flying the planes? The agents rounding up innocents without due process? The judges and prosecutors and spokespeople and soldiers following unconstitutional orders? Absolutely fucked.
There were those three jets that fell into the red sea or something like that. My hope is that they were intentionally sunk by the pilots 🤞
Buy guns. Help others buy guns. Train. Help others train.
Listen, if it makes you feel safer, by all means get your guns.
But this isn't some individualist enterprise. You're not Rambo. Owning a gun is not going to save you from the police, much less the military
This the stupid kind of thinking that will lead you smack into a full blown dictatorship.
Trust me as a Cuban. USE YOUR FUCKING GUNS before all you have left is pots and pans and then tell me how that works out.
Wtf is the military gonna do? Kill 200+ million Americans fighting? Then america will be nothing.
If the military wants to target citizens then its full out war.
America bows to no king or tyrants per our constitution.
Buy your guns people dont be a coward its your constitutional right. Don't be a coward and be like oh no tanks and military.
That's where the "help others buy guns" and "help others train" comes in. The approach to this on the right vs the left is very different.
Cool story.
So anyways, when a country starts allowing fascism to creep in, and the "leader" is openly defying that nation's Constitution, it benefits citizens to arm themselves to the teeth.
I am not, in any way, a gun person. I simply HAVE to be under the circumstances presenting themselves.
And under those circumstances it is better to have then have not.
US service members participating in these actions are enemies of the state IMO. I would like to see them treated as such.
Finally, we can end "thank you for your service " and get back to calling them baby killers. Ah yes, the time before 9-11.
Bullshit. You need to go farther back than that.
Baby killers are what fucktards called the barely-not-children who were drafted against their will to fight and die in Vietnam.
People really appreciated the troops who fought in the first Gulf Wars and helped our ally Kuwait after they were invaded. In 1990.
How is that different from martial law?
Arresting illegal immigrants is the same as martial law?
Soldiers arresting people is martial law. It's law... enforced by the military...
The reason we react strongly to it is because soldiers should not be enforcing law within civilian spaces. And just naming an area a non-civilian space is just a loophole to have martial law.
Ah, classic sophistry. If you omit the actor, you can draw a bad conclusion and pretend you didn't know it was a bad one. But maybe I'm mistaken and you actually don't know the answer to your question. Why don't you read the article? It answers it.
Have you ever tried shutting the fuck up?
Americans heard "liberty or death" and said "death please!"
If only. If I knew an ICE employee I would consider it my personal duty to make their lives living hell.
This is troubling in several ways. If it is allowed to continue then I foresee "military zones" on college campuses and many other places.
The loophole that seems to be being exploited is that they're allowed to redefine existing federal lands as military bases thus side stepping posse comitatis act. I don't think they can just declare any land (E.G. state owned or privately owned land) part of a military base and there's likely knock on effects from that as well. For instance I'd be surprised if there aren't various laws about who and how you're allowed to access "military bases" and therefore they can't just slap one in the middle of a campus at least not without opening a giant can of worms.
Eminent Domain
Step by step by little step.
Not even little steps.
This is happening much faster than I anticipated.
Arm yourselves.
Not even halfway through year one, they have been planning for a long time.
Arm yourselves and practice
Still waiting for that goose step though.
Okay I get that fascists are all the same but can these guys stop being so predictable?
But doesn’t everyone have guns?
Never saw that coming! /s
migrants
They mean illegal immigrants, as that is who is being arrested. I'm sure the title leaving that out was just an honest mistake.....lol