Israel will not stop war until Palestinians displaced from Gaza and Syria partitioned, minister says

why stop there?
I think Israel will not stop the war until its forced to do so.
- Yeah, they’re still working on their final solution to this.
  
  Probably provoke every neighbor until it's a big active conflict in the entire region and then say they're the only one capable of "maintaining peace" aka kill everybody so better start sending weapons.
- Rome conquered the world in a war of 'self defense'.
- They intend to expand a lot and be as globally independent as possible so they cant be punished for their crimes with trade sanctions.
  
  Few countries have sanctions against Israel.
  Most of Europe and India are on good terms.
  
  They already can't, with Papa America shielding them and funneling them billions of dollars in equipment and funding.
- i know they cut the quote short:
  ...our hostages are returned, some to their homes and some to the graves of Israel
  i mean why do that

Cant wait to see the response of the "its just against the terrorists" crowd
- Israeliz are the terrorists with nukes in the area, it's uncanny how they keep flinging accusations and throwing American weaponry at everyone that doesn't like their land grabs
  
  and thier use of AIPAC to fund politicians and donors in the states, have largely quashed university protests agains tthem.
  
  And blackmailing germany :(
- Smotrich is a horrible person. He and Ben Gvir want ethnic cleansing.
  
  Easier to list who doesn't want ethic cleansing with those in power

Just openly saying you want genocide. As you do.
- Always have been.
  
  yep. Its been the same war for the last ~80 years.
  “We should prepare to go over to the offensive. Our aim is to smash Lebanon, Trans-Jordan, and Syria. The weak point is Lebanon, for the Moslem regime is artificial and easy for us to undermine. We shall establish a Christian state there, and then we will smash the Arab Legion, eliminate Trans-Jordan; Syria will fall to us. We then bomb and move on and take Port Said, Alexandria and Sinai.” David Ben-Gurion May 1948, to the General Staff. From Ben-Gurion, a Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978.
  “It’s not a matter of maintaining the status quo. We have to create a dynamic state, oriented towards expansion.” –Ben Gurion
  Partition: “after the formation of a large army in the wake of the establishment of the state, we will abolish partition and expand to the whole of Palestine “ — Ben Gurion, p.22 “The Birth of Israel, 1987” Simha Flapan.
  On the 6th of February 1948, during a Mapai Party Council, Ben-Gurion responded to a remark from a member of the audience that “we have no land there” [in the hills and mountains west of Jerusalem] by saying: “The war will give us the land. The concepts of “ours” and “not ours” are peace concepts, only, and in war they lose their whole meaning” (Ben-Gurion, War Diary, Vol. 1, entry dated 6 February 1948. p.211)

Where is the “I won’t support Genocide Joe” crowd now?
- Eating popcorn. Where are the dems who will fight for their constituents now? Looks like they just nearly unanimously passed a law that will let the administration take down any web content the want, not just revenge porn or deepfakes like they claimed.
  So thats the end of free speech. Trump said outright he'd use it to censor his oponents. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2025/04/congress-passes-take-it-down-act-despite-major-flaws Did the dems just not have time for ammendments?
  So was all this trumpery worth it all so the DNC could continue to take AIPAC money?
  Or the Laken Riley act passed with dem support.
  https://rollcall.com/2025/01/20/democrats-senate-laken-riley-act/ We're deporting anyone now, with democratic party support. They are even trying to use it on citizens. Heck of a job, DNC.
  Or when the dems voted to advance trumps budget-- about the only card they had in their hand right now, and they just didnt use it. https://www.newsweek.com/full-list-democrats-voted-trump-gop-spending-bill-2045209
  And now you want to what, fingerwag like you have a leg to stand on here? I mean come on man. Show me proof beyond Booker sitting on the steps in theatrical protest that the dems are working some angle thats not just secret support of anything the republicans want?
  I guess at least Schumer, who says his whole job is to keep the dems supporting Israel, sent a "very strong letter" to trump. So we have that going for us. https://www.yahoo.com/news/pathetic-critics-cringe-leading-dem-191116497.html
  Yay Schumer, way to go.
  
  This is it. Why the fuck is the blame on the people who didn’t vote for a terrible candidate supporting a genocide and not the fucking people supporting the genocide?! Why did the dems all support that censorship bill, when they were initially speaking up about it? Why does it seem like the more exhausted he populace got with trump and his shit, he more democrats seemed to use that as an excuse to start supporting the republicans? Where is all the “stop trump” and “stop fascism” dems now? Why does it seem like they’re done grandstanding about standing up to trump and seem to have rolled over to keep their jobs or whatever it is? Why does this seem all okay, and why is the blame for all of that on people who couldn’t stomach supporting a candidate that was not standing up to a genocide and was parading around the fucking worst of the neocons? Why is it always on the people who didn’t sacrifice their values to once again stomach a candidate that goes against their basic human morals, and not on the politicians continually moving to the right? Why blame the people who see the rightward march of the Democratic Party as a death knell for the country, and not on the people who are fucking marching right as fast as the fascists continue to radicalize? Why the fuck can these assholes not see that we don’t give a shit that you think you’re morally superior to us because you “voted against fascism,” when the party you voted for seems to be actively ushering fascism in through the door?
  Where is the fucking class solidarity? These people are selling you out, and you turn to your neighbor to say, “well, you should’ve just voted differently.” We are well beyond this being on us. This is on the people driving the ship, not the ones stuck in the cargo hold screaming that we’re fucking sinking.
  
  Eating ~~popcorn~~ the shit sandwich they helped create. Fixed that for you.
- I voted for Harris, and voted for Biden before that, and Clinton before that. With shame as I should. Harm reduction, methadone instead of heroin.
  It's nothing to brag about. You guys try to make them sound like a good choice, when neoliberals are for the same status quo, only minus the scapegoating. They're just a lesser degree of bad. They're for mass homelessness, they're for entire murder for profit economic sectors including American "Healthcare," they're for ever worsening income inequity, because on economic policy (that informs and often dictates social Ills) they're on the same take as Republicans. Just because they don't cheer and pour the blood they're drenched in over their heads in celebration like Gatorade, doesn't mean their hands are any cleaner.
  That scapegoating makes Republicans worth voting against, but you're praising Jack the Ripper in the face of Adolf Hitler. No American should feel anything but shame about only having a extreme right wing party and a fascist party as our only two options. No one should have left an American polling place with a smile or pride for the last half century, it's been a rocketship to avarice diseased oblivion, that Trumpism is just a newer symptom of, not the cause.
  Reagan toppled this empire, it just takes an empire a while to hit the ground. We have arrived at a while. Trump is more of a vulture come to feast on the corpse.
- I voted for Harris.
  But can you explain exactly how things would have gone differently in Gaza other than the rhetoric if Harris had won? She was all in on the genocide just like Biden, Pelosi, Schiff, etc.
  Just because Harris was clearly the better choice overall doesn't mean she (and Biden) wasn't and isn't dead wrong about their fealty to Netanyahu.
  
  Doing the both sides thing won’t help here. It distracts from the real problem.
  
  My brother in Christ. Israeli officials were literally waiting for Trump to get elected. ~~They KNEW people like you were going to hand them the Gaza Strip. Acknowledge that you fucked up and move on with the rest of us~~.
- Probably discussing the latest news about how Biden never pressured Israel for ceasefire
  It was just another lie to give political cover as he aided and abetted an ongoing genocide.
  
  Well, at least Joe is out of power, now. Phew! Crisis averted.
  
  Yeah dude, Biden totally got "political cover" about Gaza.
- Not supporting Genocide Donald.
  You say this like Biden was bringing an end to the Genocide.
  Trump partaking in Genocide doesn't mean Biden didn't. It was just publicly revealed that Biden never demanded a ceasefire (as if we didn't know that already), Biden sent weapons to Israel to use in their genocidal campaign, Biden sent warships to ward off and defend against any attacks against Israel for their genocidal campaign. Trump doing the same doesn't mean Biden didn't do those things.
  You so smugly using Trump's continuation of the genocide as a form of "gotcha" (again, as if we didn't know he would do that) is truly just absolutely morally gross and despicabe.
  You deserve Trump.
  
  The Israelis are the one's actually murdering people
  
  There they are!
  You say I deserve Trump… like I’m the one suffering here. Question: do you honestly think Joe Biden would have permitted the removal of all Palestinians from Gaza? Would that even be a conversation right now? How about turning Gaza into a real estate opportunity for the sitting president?
  I’m not the one suffering the brunt of consequences for your decision to elect Trump over Biden, it’s the Palestinian people who are. All of you made a choice based on principles that you don’t have the political power to support, and the result is one that is far worse for the actual people affected. That makes the choice morally inferior. And, it’s a shame to see what is happening to the people impacted by it.
- If you can’t stand up against actively supporting an open genocide, you aren’t going to stand up for democracy.
  America has been cooked. And yes, Biden is/was complacent
- Surely thrilled that they were able to punish Democrats
  
  I see — As long as the democrats suffer, it justifies the actual genocide that will take place on account of their decision.
  It’s good to see the left punishing people who agree with them on 50% of things over people who agree with them on 0% of things. That is a recipe for success. Go team.
- They all realize they were part of a targeted disinformation campaign and regret their life choices.
  Tbf though, Kamala could have gotten 4% of inactive voters in 3 key states she could have won. Instead those voters stayed home and now we've got front row seats to the end of an empire
  
  It's not disinformation that Joe Biden enabled and aided the Genocide of Palestinians. Trump doing the same doesn't rewrite history.
  Kamala could have gotten all those voters if she just took a stand against genocide.
  
  Ah yes my friend who got bombed in lebannon were "part of targetted disinformation campaign "
- You're a piece of shit and if there was any justice US leaders past and present would get the electric chair.
  The cowards who were perfectly content with genocide when their team was in power now use the very same genocide as a comment about their domestic politics, proving if anybody needed it that Americans don't really see foreigners as human.
- not being pushed by russian and israeli propaganda through SOCIAL media perhaps.
- Right here :)
  I voted for Kamala tho
- You mean Schrodinger's Leftists?
- Here we go with the finger-wagging, you'll never learn do you
- I hope your terrorist leaders harris, biden and trump all die lioe fucking pigs.
- Do you think they have the self awareness to even reply to a thread like this?
- Gone.
  Their man, Trump, got elected, so they don't need to exist anymore.

So, the Nazi’s sent Jewish people to concentration camps, did horrible things to their children (especially twins), gassed their relatives, displaced them… But they are now doing the same thing to Palestinians? I really don’t have a side politically. I just don’t understand.
- I'm Jewish and I don't get it either, every Jew I see falling for this fascist rhetoric horrifies and disgusts me
- Focus in, this the action of a handful of powerful and violent people, not the act of a whole nation with a subjugated past.
  The people enacting these atrocities are just as much monsters and the people who oppressed their ancestors.
  
  But the nation isn't stopping him. He's been voted in how many times. It isn't like the people have no blame.
  
  Sure, the decisions are made, the policies enacted, by those at the top — but there is no widespread repudiation of their actions by the citizenry at large, either.
  
  Point taken. And, thank you for the reminder.
- I really don’t have a side politically. I just don’t understand.
  you should really have a side by now.
  
  I refuse to take anyone’s side that murders innocent people. Children should NEVER be victims of political wars. When politicians that make these decisions put their own children in the line of fire, then tell me “I should really take a side”.
- How can you see this genocide unfolding, ethnic cleansing at a minimum of you're scared if using the G word, and still say "Well, I don't really want to take a side here"
  This kind of rhetoric enables these war crimes. You've outlined yourself what Israel is doing, and they're going to continue because the western governments aren't doing anything real about it.
  The least we can do as individuals is call them out on their bullshit and remind others around us that the genocide they're committing is entirely fucked up and unjustifiable.
- did horrible things to their children (especially twins),
  No they only did that to gypsies.
- This is about colonialism not religion
- My guess is that they believe leaving the Hamas alive is equivalent to allowing their territory be attacked again in the future. They want this war to be The Last One™ so thay don't have to further spend military resourses in the future doing the same thing again.
  
  A yes, a final solution. Nazis love those, and most nazis were indeed zionists.
  
  So, women and children, and hospitals, and first aid people are expendable. OK. This world is filled with evil, horrible people. And history will never be learned. Oh, and is Trump going to be turning the displaced area into a resort?
- Hurt people hurt people.
  
  So is this an argument for Hamas or Israel.
  
  Zionism predates the holocaus and modern fascism.
  
  Is that an argument for a defence attorney defending a murderer? So, the murderer was hurt, and they are justified? And better yet, let’s hurt children.
- OMG they're just as horrible as the rest of humanity. Who would have thought.
  
  Rest of humanity? Which other country successfully carried out a genocide recently?

"Greater Israel" is not just about murdering palestinians, but more generally stealing all of the middle east.
https://mepei.com/greater-israel-an-ongoing-expansion-plan-for-the-middle-east-and-north-africa/

It wil not stop war at all, because Bibi needs wartome mandate to stay out of jail

Fascists gonna fash.

Sounds familiar. No wonder the Americans love Israel, they're basically carbon copies of eachother. What America did to the Native Americans, the Israelis are doing to the Palestinians. Push 'em out, keep pushing until they get violent, use the violence as an excuse to keep pushing, rinse and repeat until they're all dead.
- I was thinking the other day, and this is a bit off topic but:
  Can you imagine what the colonists and “America” would have done to the indigenous people if they had the same tools as the Nazis?
  America, Hitler’s little poster child.
- Not gonna lie. The analogy of native americans vs palestinians doesnt click for me. There were jews christians muslims living in relative peace before the plan of an israel was shoved down people throats in the region. This wasnt a new big island discovered by accident.
  I would agree though that human life is equally important and displacing humans forcefully is always a terrible crime if this is what the analogy implies.
  
  I'm referring more to the behaviour of the Israelis mirroring the behaviour of the colonists. Deliberately pushing out the natives, leading to the natives fighting back, leading to the colonists using overwhelming force in 'self defence', leading to more colonists pushing out the natives.
  Take the settlements in the West Bank for example. The settlers show up, build their houses, kick out the local Palestinians and treat them like shit. The Palestinians retaliate, so the settlers call in the IDF to kill the Palestinians. The US colonists did the exact same thing, and even went to war with Britain (at least partially) because Britain demanded that they not push west of the Appalachians because it was (to the British), native territory. Granted Spain had also stolen a load of land to the west, effectively sandwiching the natives between two colonial powers, but Britain had just got out of the Seven Years War (instigated by the colonists) and wasn't keen to get back into one.

What's their beef with Syria still?
- Well, see, Syria has land they want and people they don’t.
- They don't own it yet
- Their beef is that Syria is actually Israel, just like Palestine, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt, etc.
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Israel
  https://mepei.com/greater-israel-an-ongoing-expansion-plan-for-the-middle-east-and-north-africa/
  
  Thanks, I appreciate the sources.
- Syria is next.

Lebensraum

Time to nuke Israel.

Until some military rolls up on the border and demands at gunpoint that Israel stop starving, murdering and stealing from people they dont like, the Israelis will keep doing it. They want Syria, Lebanan, Jordan, and Egypt after they finish off the west bank and Gaza.

“We didn’t bomb these people out of their homes only to have them return.”
—Israel

Genocide will continue until morale improves.

Pretty sure they mean 'formatted'
- I think it’s ~~funny~~ darkly humorous but read the room, dude.
  
  Tbh the real-world cruelty overcomes any joke. There's nothing humorous about wanting to wipe millions of people off the face of the Earth just because someone doesn't want them there. Fuck the Israeli government. Besides, the room was empty when I commented.
- The mean genocided.
- Oof...
  Not bad, but this is the sort of crass dark humor I would expect late on a Friday night after at least five beers with my friends.
- Oh fuck off.
- Time and place.