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Keir Starmer does not believe trans women are women, No 10 says

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4d ago

Keir Starmer does not believe trans women are women, No 10 says

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4d ago

Keir Starmer does not believe trans women are women, No 10 says

www.bbc.com /news/articles/crldey0z00ro

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I really have it with those old white men.
Why can’t you just shut up if you are incapable of adjusting your world view to the 21st century?
- As an old white man, I completely agree. It's not always easy to change old habits, but people's refusal to even try is infuriating.
- If you don't respect my trans homies, I'm gonna identify as a problem.
  
  I hope you get everything you deserve.
  Edit: Ha! Huff my duff, Nazi trash.
  
  Say that where people can, cowardly bigot.

I don't believe Keir Starmer is Labour. Fight me.
- Isn't that why he helped remove actual labour people to make new, now more tory labour?
  
  Labour's been getting steadily more Tory since at least Blair. I just didn't realise how bad he was until his government started stepping up the evil shit. Wish we had a viable left option.
- From a German perspective he awfully seems like a Tory
- Only correct reply
- The only way for Labour to govern under first past the post is to appeal to the center.
  Unfortunately our country is disgustingly conservative and the right wing have always been far better organised, it probably helps they have the media on side.
  Starmer is actually doing a surprisingly ok job. The austerity he's pushing is tedious as fuck but if he weren't keeping an eye on economics we'd be drowning in hysteria about "magic money trees" and labour dragging the country in to debt.
  The employment rights bill will be an incredible improvement for working people. I wish it went a lot further but it's a solid start.
  Unless labour support electoral reform we are doomed to an eternity of right wing government. Labour only got into power last year because reform split the vote, and very soon the reform and conservatives will merge together again.

Can we not just have gender neutral bathrooms and changing rooms and be done with it?
"But what about MtF people going into sports?" Just put a fucking asterisk by their name on the leader boards.
Jobs a good un
- Its so tiring of people trying to patch problems with "gendered bathrooms", "train cars only for women", "women parking lots" rather than actually solving real problems. These band aids should be a temporary solutions at best but here we are - argueing about gendered bathrooms in 2025.
  The worst when people try to spin these as some sort of innovation. Especially for gendered train cars here in Japan was such a huge thing and I couldn't help but eye roll when instead of addressing perverts they just herd women into protected pens and put camera noise default on every smartphone that take 10 minutes to disable by actual criminals.
  
  train cars only for women
  Good thing nobody can actually suggest that in this day and age. Because that's a concept that makes everyone immediately go "Ooooh, how delightfully 1800s. Wait, why are we doing this, I thought we were better than that."
  ...If someone actually suggests that, have them be detained by a few chimney sweeps until the police arrives by horse carriage.
- You put the handwashing station in an open area, visible to the hallway.
  You put floor to cieling stalls for the actual doing your business part.
  I have been to a lot of places that do this and nobody cares. It is an added level of safety that you are either in private or visible to passers by.
  
  Same argument that was made for gay people sharing locker rooms, bigots never get new material. If you're not comfortable sharing a bathroom with someone, then, ya know, you don't have to use it.
  Why is it queer people have to suffer for bigotry? Why not just be less of a bigot?
  
  A lot of people are uncomfortable with bigots leaving reddit and joining lemmy.
  
  Guess what? Trans women also don't feel comfortable using men's bathrooms or sharing bathrooms with men. Because trans women are women.
  
  That's weird cuz most of them do it at home.
  
  They can always stay home

Old man shouldn’t get a say in what a woman is.
🤷

What an absolute coward. Bowing down to the USA because Trump told him to. Fucking coward.

Guess my Canadian trans ass is boycotting the UK now too. It's been a long time coming anyway, Terf Island.
(Sorry Scotland, you're cool but also in a toxic relationship I can't be around right now. I hope we can be friends again some day)

Remeber how when there was a fight for gay marriage a good portion of people said they didnt mind the legal concept and just wanted to call it "civil unions" and we totally did that as a first step to placate those people before going full on equal marriage...
I wonder why the approach to trans rights has been so all or nothing with people It seems like there is no real desire for progress from eithet side the way things stand now.
- Well, that whole civil union thing didn't really work out so well and those same people were still (and are still) homophobic to the extreme so why give them anything? They are clearly not interested in compromises anyway.
  
  And why the fuck is there a compromise position at all? Bigots don't have a right to discriminate against people. If they don't want to get on board they can fuck off.
  
  It certainly did work out in many countries, which transitioned from it to Marriage for all in the end
  
  How didnt it work out? It lead to eventually getting marriage equality world wide, in large part because those first states tried to do civil unions.
- What is there to compromise here? Every building with gendered facilities has to build a third set of toilets for trans people? The government has to build a third set of prisons for trans people?
  
  An example of compromise would be to acknowledge that trans women are biologically different from cis women.This is not an extreme or hateful idea. Other issues like sports or bathrooms can still be nuanced discussions that acknowledge peoples concerns and work to educate rather then alienate. Acceptice means different things to different people and it wont come all at once.
  To compare a similar example imagine someone who comes out as gay to parents in the 90s: strict chrisitan parents might kick them out of the house and never speak to them again, - OR- they could be the type of conservative parents who say "well i dont agree with it but i still love you". Whch would you rather have? Which one would potentially lead to a potentially better outcome/changed mind?
  It seems to me that completely alienating people who have reasonable objections to relatively new ideas is not the best way to go.

Mind your own damn business you archaic old fuckwit.

I hate bioreactionaries I hate bioreactionaries I hate bioreactionaries I hate bioreactionaries I hate bioreactionaries.

True but in this case his office was just referencing a court ruling

Why are they trying so hard to prove it, if it’s the obvious truth? I never saw my mother and sister having to prove or defend the point that they are women.
Well, regardless of my standpoint, I might not like what you have to say but I will for sure fight for your right to say it. Same goes for everyone.
- Why are they trying so hard to prove it, if it’s the obvious truth?
  It's unclear, and quite important, who you mean by "they" here.
  
  The ones who try to pass something that’s not a common sense as a common sense.
- I never saw my mother and sister having to prove or defend the point that they are women.
  Is anybody saying that they aren't?
  
  Of course not. This would be like pointing your finger to a red colour and saying that it’s not red.
- If you spent more than five minutes looking into this you'd understand that there's a whole lot more to it than presentation. Some people are born intersex. Some biological women are born with two xx chromosomes. Some biological men are born with xy chromosomes. Etc etc. It's nice that your mom and sister have it all clear. A good portion of humanity has to fight to explain their place every day
  
  I personally believe in a traditional binary understanding of gender based on biological sex, but I am acknowledging that others may have different perspectives based on their beliefs. That’s ok.

- That's only if they choose not to get bottom surgery.

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