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  • That’s a really interesting PoV. I feel as if I’ve been grappling with the same quandary but landed differently.

    The NDP is broken. I say this as a lifelong supporter who strongly believes their stated values and goals represent mine.

    That said, the current version of the NDP is not viable or working in my opinion. Their actions do not match their words.

    I’m resolved to vote Liberal (in a riding where it matters) and then immediately begin to support the federal NDP party to be ready for the next election. Time to get my hands dirty.

    • It really grossed me out when they voted to remove the word "socialism" from all of their official documentation and party constitution. I haven't been able to see them the same since.

      I have hope they'll go in a new direction after Jagmeet but I don't know if the party will ever be like how it was. Really seems like the sun has set for the NDP after Jack Layton. Also every fucking email asks me for $20 that I don't have without offering updates on the actual campaign or ways to get involved; just fundraising emails with no info.

      They really lack any kind of fighting spirit at the national level and in Ontario (don't know about other provinces, sorry). This isn't even really about Jagmeet but the leaders of the party at the convention level; their decisions make the party look like a kicked dog that's too scared to take up space.

      We need confidence, we need socialist ideas, we need some fucking energy and not the corporate veneer that the NDP thinks will give them the legitimacy they want so bad. Only actual displays of concrete leadership will give them that.

      • I feel very similarly.

        I was incredibly put-off when they accepted to not raise the issue of electoral reform as a requirement to sign the agreement with the Liberals - who themselves ran on electoral reform (at least in part).

        I’ve received a single email from the NDP this election season - announcing their new t-shirt designs.

        The liberal rep - part of the crew responsible for ousting Trudeau, came to my door.

        :(

    • This is my plan as well. Vote to hold the line and then start pushing left.

      • I would really like a country where the two parties are NDP and Green, and then they cooperate to get rid of FTTP once and for all.

        Can’t see a route to that yet, so holding the line is what we’ve got this time around.

    • Do you think things have been going well the last 10 years, and that people are generally better off?

      I'm just curious what people expect with Carney, given his entire cabinet is the same do people expect him to govern entirely by himself in a dictatorial fashion?

      • It’s a fair question.

        Carney is a Center-right corporate kleptocracy bureaucrat. I have no love for the gentlemen. He’s the 1%.

        His primary opponent however is owned by the far right and will likely govern even more dictatorially at a time when that’s particularly dangerous. He will sell out healthcare, social safety nets, and the environment in a way that puts Harper to shame.

        As I see it, the choice is picking stability, crappy as it is, or selling out the most vulnerable among us for a chance at change.

        It’s not a great choice - but it’s what we have. Wishing for something else won’t make it so. The NDP won’t rise from the ashes in the next ten days.

        So my vow is to swallow a bitter pill and get involved - be the change I want to see.

        In the meantime I believe we need (and have) a unified front against fascism and rampant fear/hatred.

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