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Undocumented immigrant faces decades in prison after breaking ICE officer’s nose during arrest

www.latintimes.com Undocumented Immigrant Faces Decades In Prison After Breaking ICE Officer's Nose During Arrest

A Colombian national is facing up to 20 years in prison after allegedly breaking an Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) officer's nose during an attempted arrest in February

A Colombian national is facing up to 20 years in prison after allegedly breaking an Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) officer's nose during an attempted arrest in Roselle, New Jersey back in February during an enforcement operation.

The 27-year-old man, identified as Hector Villegas-Alvarez, was approached by ICE agents who had determined he was unlawfully present in the United States and subject to deportation.

According to an official statement by the New Jersey Attorney's Office, Villegas-Alvarez exited his vehicle when ordered to do so but physically resisted arrest, locking his arms and tensing his body when officers attempted to apply handcuffs.

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What I am reading is "Undocumented Immigrant manages to escape a lack of due process by simply throwing fists."
- They are going to be thrown in a prison and forgotten about regardless. What's the threat of a few years of jail for fighting back when they won't see the light of day if they submit anyway.
  May as well go down swinging.
  
  He gets to stay in the US, at least 🤷
- Anyone sent to El Salvador is never leaving according to their president. It's surprising it took so long for the people being taken to figure out.
- escape?
  
  He's now in the court system for assaulting an officer, instead of being spirited away to ICE detention and deported without ever seeing a judge.

given how many protected, legal residents, and outright citizens ICE has already picked up without care or concern... I would argue ICE determinations are woefully and legally inadequate for any action, and thus violent resistance to abduction is not only the natural, moral reaction.. its the legal one.
- This is the message everyone is understanding, especially if you're poor and desperate.
  If immigration officials approach you ..... you're basically fighting for your life, so do everything to break free, run, and get away. Because if you don't, your life is over anyway.

Regardless of the context, 20 years for non-lethal assault is a ridiculous sentence (and utter waste of taxpayer money). Fix your penal codes, USA (or at least add it to the list of things that need fixing)
- It's because it's assault against a King's Man. An attack on an officer is seen as an attack on the fabric of moral society. (really, an attack on the egocentric, pernicious power structure that subjugates us)
- Police lie about being "assaulted" and "resisting" all the time. They put soccer players to shame pretending they're hurt. Cop probably punched himself in the face trying to rough up the guy.
  
  Or the wife he was statistically beating fought back and this guy is the scapegoat.
- I hate it, and it isn't right, but that's how The System always starts its negotiations. Amp up the charges to 11, throw in a bunch of "stretch goal" charges, and panic the defendant into taking a deal. From the defendant's side of things, why risk 20 years of your life in prison for something you mostly aren't guilty of, when they'll accept a plea that will allow them to look both tough and merciful (and clear their name of all wrong doing) and only cost the defendant 3 years of probation and time served?
- They should, you're right, but it's not going to happen. Imagine my surprise when I discovered decadess ago that the nation which routinely trumpets its defeat of Southern slavers during their grand civil war, has actually contrived to maintain legal slave labour through its prison system. Guess which demographic has been systematically targeted for arrest and persecution by the police and justice system?

These ICE motherfuckers are running around wearing balaclavas and body armor. They show no paperwork and are aggressive to no end. They're basically glorified bounty hunters. There should be no repercussions for violence against them when they initiate it. I'd fuck one up as best as I could too. If they're handing out 20 year sentences for that, I may as well shoot to kill.
- They are terrorists and human trafficers not bounty hunters.

the correct word is a snout

So let me get this straight. A dude with no record and a judge order to prevent deportation, who didn't resist law enforcement during his kidnapping, gets whisked away to a torture prison without pause, but a dude breaks a pig's nose and gets to remain in the States? What incentive is there NOT to go down with the most violence you can against the abductors? When tRump is finally removed from power, hopefully with a hanging for treason, I hope the next president pardons people like Hector Villegas-Alvarez.

Good for him, fuck these people. Not so good for him. Is the jail time. But what's the difference at this point?
- Probably won't be tortured here. Might be pardoned by the next administration if his story gets enough publicity and his family can keep the attention on him.
  
  Assuming there is a next administration

Damn if that's the punishment for hurting their poor little nosies might as well kill them.
- I dont think they realize this but straight up if its life in prison or prison camps no matter what might as well curbstomp anyone trying to kidnap you instead of going peacefully, there is no benefit to peaceful resistance, you're fucked eitherway
  Or they do, and they'll use it as an excuse to take even more freedom asay
  
  They'll make any excuse to keep pushing no matter what we do
  Resist

if you try to haul someone away, in America, with the intent of deporting that someone to an extrajudicial foreign hellhole for the rest of their lives, you should count yourself incredibly lucky you simply had to take them kicking and screaming.
- Are you mentioning this because of gun ownership in the U.S.? Not many people carry guns every day. Even if they do, they’re not likely to draw their five-shot .38 special against a group of ICE agents in body armor.
  
  I know most people don't carry guns every day. My hope is that this changes and ICE has to fear a Ruby Ridge with every door they knock on, a North Hollywood shootout with every car they stop. You aren't going to stop them taking you with kind words. Make them kill you in the street, don't go shuffling off quietly.

I'm disappointed the pig wasn't shot in the face.
- Except that then Hector would be facing murder charges.
  
  He's already facing death, so what's the difference?

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I would’ve done the same thing. When death camps are on the table, you fight as hard as you can.

They are scared and think that harsh sentences will prevent them from getting their deserved punishments.

At least they'll probably get some due process now.
ACAB

Is this a life hack to avoid CECOT and rot a US jail instead?
- Supremacists hate this one trick

Piggies have a weak spot on their noses. Got it.

Release the body cam footage or fuck off. I'm not believing a thing ICE says.
ETA: it wouldn't surprise me in the least if another ICE officer broke her nose doing something supremely stupid and they're trying to cover it up.
- The problem is that the judges will.

Is it an arrest if there's no due process though? Honest question. What are they arresting him for that would ever see trial? What crime was he even claimed of committing for an arrest?
Because if there's no trial, then there's no due process. Andnif there's no due process, then it's not an arrest, it's a kidnapping.
In which case he should be punching those fucks in the face.
- Yep, if there is no due process (making this a kidnapping), then this becomes valid self-defense.
  
  Taking a different viewpoint, is general kidnapping now legal in the US? Why is ICE different?

Who are these ICE agents anyway? Asking as a foreigner. Do they have the same authority as police? Are they police? If you refuse or stop them is that obstruction of justice/resisting?
- Yes, they are federal police with broader authority because they enforce immigration policy. Just like immigration officers in any other country when you go through an airport. Anywhere within 100 miles of a port of entry (airports, boarders, ports) they can search and detain people. They started hiring double the amount of officers the day Trump won. Most of these people doing this crap are probably fresh recruits who got kicked out of police departments or coudn't get hired in the first place. Basically party loyalists aka brownshirts.
  
  So they are probably mostly people who hate immigrant/colored people and want to be able to do so professionally?
- They are technically "police", but they get to do away with all the boring things that police normally have to do.
  Some of them still work at the border doing customs work. Others are now fully dedicated to arresting and deporting people whose residency status is not OK.

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