Via porn, gore and ultra-violence, extremist groups are sinking hooks online into the very young.
Via porn, gore and ultra-violence, extremist groups are sinking hooks online into the very young
The entire article is filled with bias and anecdotal evidence, and of course it's showcasing the rarer jihadist terrorists instead of widespread Nazism and racism on the rise everywhere else
and of course it’s showcasing the rarer jihadist terrorists instead of widespread Nazism and racism
Are you fucking serious?
It's infuriating, baffling, plainly disgusting how your typical progressive westerner is just blind to usual neo-Nazi skinheads doing a murder or two in a month, while jihadists massacre whole towns, share videos in Telegram on scale, and western politicians shake hands with their leaders and condemn the victims (calling them "Assad supporters to blame for outbreak of violence" or something like that).
Nazism is dead, there's no nation-state with an army with that as national ideology.
More than half of Sunni-majority nation-states agree on anything if it involves Sunnis massacring someone else, or involving jihad. And of those the most notable are Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Turkey, that kind of countries which your usual westerner considers normal.
They literally loudly and officially agree that murdering Christians and Yazidis and Alawites and whomever I've forgotten is fine, and your typical progressive westerner parrots that it's fine, nothing to look at, Christians and Yazidis and Alawites are not on the list of approved victims.
That said, jihadists are a subset of Nazis, just a not very stereotypical one for a westerner.
And I see no problem with porn.
Nazism is dead, there's no nation-state with an army with that as national ideology.
u wot m8? You really don't see the current situation evolving toward just sich a thing? In 4 years from now, literal Neo-Nazis will likely have the majority of the German votes. It's Germans being Nazis again. Fuck you and your dumb fucking arguments. There has literally never been a greater threat to everyone's freedom as right now. Fuck you and your edgy take on "Westerners". We are living lives in the west after all.
Nazism is dead, there’s no nation-state with an army with that as national ideology.
Idk, Russia seems to be taking a lot from the fascist playbook.
Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Turkey, that kind of countries which your usual westerner considers normal.
I don't know about Turkey or Qatar, but Saudi Arabia makes me sick. Same w/ Iran and a bunch of other countries that believe something like Shariah law is okay, and killing people based on religion or lack thereof is also fine.
That said, jihadists are a subset of Nazis, just a not very stereotypical one for a westerner.
Agreed. The problem has little to do with Islam, the problem is intolerance and believing that hurting those who disagree w/ you is acceptable. Jihadists are the current group taking that to the extreme, and they're being enabled by aggressive, imperial powers like the US and parts of NATO.
The root of the problem is intolerance.
I see no problem with porn.
I do, but it's not something that leads to violence, but instead leads to problems in romantic relationships. So it's not relevant here whatsoever.
My main problem here is the parents were completely AFK and uninvolved in their 12yos life.
Literally EVERY SINGLE TIME a news article mentions both "porn" and "children", it turns out it's some bullshit being pushed by a Christian fundamentalist group, and often with an added dose of state surveillance and restricting liberty. Add in "terrorists"? Don't even bother with this article, it's pure hysteria propaganda. It's like a WASPy suburban mom's wet dream.
I can't take articles such as this one seriously if they don't mention right-wing terrorists recruiting through the same channels and means. That has been a known problem for more than a decade.
Treating online radicalisation solely as a problem of people with a migrant/non-European/Muslim/... background is very telling and borders on lying by omission.
The mother told criminal investigators that she’d thought her son had been playing video games and doing homework during the hours he spent in his room.
Huh, that sounds like she was very much not involved in her kid's life. You don't go from "huh, what's this Qu'ran thing" to "ima watch some beheadings" in an afternoon.
Also, where's the dad in this situation? It's fine if she's a single parent or something, but if there's a father figure, he's also to blame here.
IMO, a 12-yo shouldn't be let loose on the internet alone. They should be in the process of getting there, but I would keep computers like this in more public spaces (living room, family room, kitchen, etc) where parents can casually glance over and see what their child is getting into. This shouldn't be some kind of creepy spying thing, just casual interest (i.e. are they looking at sports stuff but not involved in those sports? Maybe sign them up for a community league!), as well as an early warning sign if they're starting to get into weird stuff.
The boy is now in residential care without access to social networks, with specialized educators and regular visitation rights for his parents, the prosecutor told AP.
Yeah, this sounds like the parents royally messed up.
Police analysis of the 12-year-old boy’s computer and phone found 1,739 jihadi videos, “a phenomenal quantity of scenes of decapitation, throat-slitting, shootings,” the prosecutor said. He also had how-to videos on bomb-making and killing, including one that appeared to show the real-life death of a tied-down man being methodically chopped into pieces.
That's a lot of videos... This had to have been going on for quite a while...
The boy likely has a pathology. No way this is purely learned interest.
I watched porn in that age. A lot of it. And listened to Nazi marches. And generally marches. But I was kinda depressed by one girl (I suppose with the same pathology that boy has) intentionally trying to compel me to suicide (yes, certain, she made enough attempts for that, and also wasn't as subtle as she thought), and in general being in school full of walking shit, and my parents being exceptional idiots, loud and irritating at that.
Sure, and the parents should absolutely have picked up on that. If you take even a passing interest in your kid's life, you'll at least pick up on something being a bit off.
My oldest is 11, so not all that different from the kid in the article. We still have regular chats where they tell me a fair amount of what goes on at school and w/ friends. They don't tell me everything, and they frequently lie, but I'm present enough to pick up on trends.
These parents were either complicit (unlikely) or negligent (very likely) if they "didn't know" what their kid was up to. I certainly hid stuff from my parents (had a copy of the Anarchist's Cookbook, because I thought it was interesting), but nothing anywhere close to this magnitude.
if they're not already (and they probably are), these parents should be criminally investigated for whatever laws France has around gross negligence.
Government officials, via scare tactics and fabricated statistics, are sinking hooks into lazy parents and overly-protective grandparents in a wild seize for the power to rescind your rights to freedom and privacy.
Did I miss something, or is a 12 year old in France now in (indefinite?) police custody for being curious online?
Seriously?
1,739 jihadi videos, “a phenomenal quantity of scenes of decapitation, throat-slitting, shootings,”
Oh yeah, you know, being curious online.
Adult moderators for social networks/content platforms get serious trauma from less than that. The kid needs help, he's being cut from that shit and followed by educators. And no, that's not "police custody".
The boy is now in residential care without access to social networks, with specialized educators and regular visitation rights for his parents, the prosecutor told AP.
The kid is in police custody because the parents royally screwed up. Your kid doesn't casually get into thousands of jihadist videos, bomb-making recipes, etc without the parents being complicit or completely negligent. I hope the parents understand where they messed up and social services can help rescue what's left of his life before he goes and does something incredibly stupid.
Imagine if children found stories of a man being abused by an entire crowd, stripped naked, and nailed to a cross he was forced to carry. Also he was alive when nailed. We should detain those children too.
Yes, this is true
