Dear USians

This "both sides" is bullshit when you are getting a train run on you by the Republicans...
- And the leader of the Democrats describes his job as "keeping the left pro Israel".
  
  Correct, but still not even close to the same thing. More of this "balanced" stuff.
  Anywho on the plus side, he's getting wrecked in the polls vs AOC who's looking to take his place though.
  
  I'm an Independent. But there's no "leader" of the Democrats, it's a big-tent party. Chuck is head of the group of Democratic senators, but he doesn't dictate things outside of Senate business and we don't blindly all follow everything he says. That's the difference between electing public servants and people in a cult.
  EDIT: Downvote all you want, this is a simple fact. You're allowed to just want to be mad! But I don't know why people click the "down" button just because they don't like what was said... Has anyone used actual logic and facts to disprove me? Of course not...
- Interesting.
  Obama dropped an average of 80 bombs per day on the ME and North Africa during his presidency. The number of civilians murdered is impossible to calculate.
  
  For a USAmerican(or any other person), their primary concern would be their own safety, right?
  Unless they can form/support a major third party, they are forced to a two-choice system, right?
- Are you denying that the Dems are shit? Just because the Reps are worse and currently in power?
  What kind of an argument is that supposed to be?
  
  What are you talking about the initial argument is completely insane to be begin with. I think Biden came into office and reduce child poverty or hunger or something by half as his first action.
  We're gonna compare that to Trump destroying the economy, removing due process, open up national parks to logging, letting DOGE cut departments with corruption, invading other countries?
- For sure, the republicans are worst.
  But the dems are still not good.
  Americans have no representation at all.
- After the train run on you by democrats...
- You really don't get it, huh?
  People heard that shit last time, and they voted democrat, and Biden won. And ABSOLUTELY NOTHING changed.
  At the end of the day, the rich got richer and the poor got poorer, just like they did with trump, and with Obama, and with every single president who has taken office in god knows how many decades.
  And still you're here yapping "oh noes the horrors, vote Dems".
  Bro, the Dems aren't LISTENING! Get a Bernie up there, or an AOC, or anyone that the people actually believe will do anything other than feeding the same interests they have been feeding.
  And if you're too thick to realize that, at least you're not alone, the whole DNC is right there with you.
- When it comes to foreign policy and making the rich richer? Absolutely. The only potential difference is on some social issues.
- I can't deal with US politics right now and this thread.
  I'm fucking Canadian and people upvoting this both sides nonsense is getting my blood boiling.
  I thought this enlightened centrist shit was over with but people are bringing it up like they're some next-level IQ genius. When in reality they're trying their to push people to the right (whether they understand it or not).
  
  You think neoliberalism is on the left? Well, in this case yes we're pushing people to the "right" if your scale is inverted
  
  I'm sorry that genocide is okay to you but you draw the line at bad optics. That sounds like a you issue. Genocide apologist don't tend to be the sharpest tools in the shed though.
  
  When is your country going to return the land they stole to its indigenous peoples? When is the US democratic party going to stop supporting the genocide of Palestine?
  If its people not voting for the US democratic party, rather than either of the above issues that "gets your blood boiling", you might need to re-evaluate which side of the white supremacist line you're on.
  
  whether they understand it or not
  If such a thing can be done without understanding, how do you know that you aren't the one who has been pushed to the right and that you aren't doing the work of dragging others along with you?
  
  What does you being Canadian have to do with anything?
  
  I’m fucking Canadian
  So you probably dont even understand the full context of what you're talking about.
  Arent there other countries political websites you can go bother people on? Try Australia, your fellow commonwealth country (sorry australians). Theres plenty of other places to be a touriust with strong opinions about other peoples governments.

Roses are red
Violets are blue
Oversimplified political apathy
Is what gave you Trump 2
- Apathy benefits only the republicans
  
  Democrats better not put forward candidates people are apathetic about then.
- Being against all genocide isn’t oversimplifying anything
- No, Democrats and Liberals using Trump 2 as an excuse to be vocally pro-genocide and forcing people to accept pro-fascism is what caused Trump 2, since the party cannot fail only be failed by voters willing to accept fascism but not turned off by crude, ham-fisted forms of fascism. The problem, supposedly, is people that oppose Trump's policies, rather than just needing the Trump policies being polite. It is the Democrat's need to always adopt all of the previous Republican policies, and their only goal is being the Republicans, but polite. If Genocide and fascism is not a red line, but completely acceptable to support, as long as you can imagine another regime doing the genocide slightly worse, there is no evil you will not work for and support.
  
  Voting is not a sign of support for everything the candidate does. It's a choice for who you want to be in the position, and none of the above is not a possible outcome.
  Choosing to not vote means you're choosing whoever the majority of voters pick
- Or maybe, we can use this to protest and vote for political change. We cannot allow lobbies to buy politicians anymore, and campaign spending must be capped.
- That was poetic as shit, man

It’s okay to hate both.
- And it’s ok to strategically vote for the least bad option rather than empowering the most bad option while still acknowledging the system is broken
  
  But I don't want to vote for trump hes doing genocide
  
  Absolutely agree with this statement.
- Much less ok to pretend both are the same
  
  Nazis vs Nazi collaborators. Yes they're different, but both deserve the firing squad.
  
  Correct, it’s not pretending but the truth
  
  Go back to reddit.

Neither party will ever willingly give up the two party system, as they both benefit from it. At some point Americans need to start backing third parties or everything will just continue to go in circles indefinitely.
- That, and do some non-electoral things if you're picking up what i'm putting down

Honestly, I read this thread and can't comprehend how a civilization as advanced as the United States of America thinks that defending a binary choice of democracy is a good thing to do... It's impossible to represent a country with a few million people like that, imagine ~300M. Anyway, keep going at each other's throats for your party color... smh.
- It's not an advanced civilization, they have slavery enshrined in constitution.
  
  What part of the Constitution are you referring to?

It's kind of why we need Ranked Choice Voting.
- Alternative voting systems have in practice been proven useless, whether in South Korea, Japan, Australia, and many other capitalist dictatorship countries that use it. It might make bribery a bit more expensive, since there are more candidates to buy off, and more political advertising necessary, but it hasn't fixed anything.
  The root problem is capital standing above political power. And that can't be undone using it's own platform.
  
  How are you measuring useless?
  Australia has RCV and has more than 2 active political parties.
- i live somewhere with mandatory voting, and have looked into places with ranked choice. it doesnt do much.
  the problem is capitalism and the rich's interests being paid for instead of ours. not how the ballots are made or counted.
- I used to be where you were a decade ago. Studying all the voting systems and trying to think of tweaks to the electoral system to fix democracy and make it more reflective of popular will. By the way, Single Transferable Vote is much better than simple Ranked Choice systems, but that's besides the point. This is a dead end. There's no tweaks that will fix this fundamentally broken machine made to serve the rich. You have to give up on this idealism and accept that the entire thing is irredeemable and corrupt.
  Democracy cannot co-exist with capitalism. Private accumulation of capital distorts the system to such an extent that the principle of equal voices is completely lost.
- you could come up with the best theoretically possible electoral system and it won't change a thing since ultimately, the state in the West serves the capitalist class.
- I hear people say this, but how do we get it?
  
  The people in power will lose their power if we did, so we won’t.
  
  It's up to the states. It already implemented in Maine and Alaska, with a majority of people in those state approving of it.

Americans think their favorite political sports team cares about them like the stripper actually loved them. No, you just gave them what they wanted and as soon as you're out of sight, they'll forget you and keep doing their job.
For strippers it's doing a workout for a living and being proud of their bodies. For politicians it's gaslighting the public into thinking they're the good guys as they socially murder at home and sweep up blood abroad.

- Good thing chuck schumer and the dems are out there leading the resistance by... uhh.... making sure the left is pro-genocide and sending record levels of bombs to conduct said genocide. Hell yeah dawg that shit's awesome and exactly what we need from the people who totally oppose Hitler 2 in office and will do everything in their power to stop him
- Downvotes are disabled on my instance; multiple people think you wrote something inane. I have no problem replying to you telling you that you live in a dictatorship of capital where both sides are the same but you are so propagandized and ignorant you can't even see the truth right in front of your nose. One side enables the other, the US functions as a whole. The democracy there is kay fabe and predetermined. You don't get a vote for the board members of Goldman Sachs, Citigroup, Blackstone, Raytheon etc.
  
  It blows my mind that even now, there are people like you who claim they can't tell the difference between Biden and Trump.
- Curious how democrats decided to do genocide over obstructing any of the dastardly acts on your list. Is it lost on you how the democrats are controlled opposition?
  If, in 20 years, your choice is between a democrat who wants 9 genocides and a republican who wants 10, which would you choose?
  
  The one who wants fewer genocides, how is that even a question?
  But much better would be using those 20 years to empower progressives at the local level, so they have the experience to get elected to the state level, which gives them the experience to be competitive at the federal level. No one is saying to just support the Dems forever. You can spend 1 day every 4 years helping the Republicans lose, and spend the other 1460 fighting for better options. I recommend it, in fact.
  Voting lesser evil slows the descent into fascism while we build the progressive base necessary for a progressive to win the general election. No one is saying the lesser evil is good, we know it's evil, that's why we call it the lesser evil. But it is the lesser evil, and when you have a choice between two evils winning, the lesser evil is preferable.
  Voting for a third party with no chance of winning, or not voting at all, does not give us better options. Building a successful third party takes time and many, many wins in smaller elections. Personally, I'd rather spend that time under a neo-liberal regime than a Christofascist one. They're both bad, but one is unambiguously worse.
  Vote progressive for every local office you can. If there are no progressive options, consider running yourself or convincing a politically inclined friend to do so. If we all show up for every single election, and flood every level of government with progressives, maybe in 20 years we'll have a better choice than 9 genocides vs 10 genocides. But every Republican win helps gerrymander and disenfranchise us further from that goal.
- Do you have a plan for that "electoral reform" that doesn't involve said ballot box?
  Do you not see the inherent contradictions there?
- Not sure what you said but 100% agreed
- Modlog for this comment says rule 2, but that rule is about reposts??!!
  According to the modlog, this is the removed comment:
  Democrats are far from perfect, but last time they were in power they... invested in infrastructure, forgave student debt, helped Ukraine defend itself, and tried to give everyone healthcare. Republicans have now crashed the (global) economy, increased disease spread, decimated public departments and services, fired thousands of critical workers and veterans, retaliated against people for their Free Speech, limited rights of women, immigrants, and LGBTQ+ people, made us less safe against wildfires and contagions, started to gut Medicare, turned all our allies against us, raised prices on everything, engaged in corrupt theft of our tax dollars, and now want to deport legal Americans.
  Well, I think this is worth highlighting.
  
  The rule 2 refers to the rule 2 of the instance, not the community, which is:
  Be respectful, especially when disagreeing. Everyone should feel welcome here.
  The part you decided to show in the modlog is also a little deceptive. Here is the missing part:
  "BoTh SiDeS!" EDIT lol, the instant downvote from OP.
- Haha, a removed comment, I shall assume everything it said was 100% in line with my beliefs.
  
  You do realize you don't have to assume and can just look at the modlog, right?
  https://slrpnk.net/modlog?commentId=14991101
  
  What a sad way to view the world and all its viewpoints...
  I don't know why you all tolerate this pathetic c3nsorshep here. All I said in my "unalived" comment was basically that there is 1 party in the USA that illegally disappears people, crashes the global economy (for you and me!), is corrupt, etc, and the other one tried to give everybody health care. "b07H s1des" right!?

- You got a real shelf to be shoving things off

funniest comment section of all time. my country truly will never change for the better.
- I, John Brown, am now quite certain, that the crimes of this guilty land will never be purged away, but with blood.
  He did know that already in 1859

here's an example for you to drive home why sentiment like this is dumb and creates false equivalencies. when I was 14, I worked at a grocery store. there were two managers that I would get scheduled with. they both sucked and were awful human beings. however, one was a known child predator. which one do you think I'd rather get scheduled with?
- To map your analogy to the US 2 party system the one who isn't a known child predator is also a child predator and works to keeps the other one in power. They both work for the same super predator.
- Neither is also an option. You don't need to put up with either manager.
  
  great point I should have simply not worked and let my family starve. truly genius intellect
- The sentiment isn't dumb. It's true. The Democrats don't give a fuck about us plebs. I voted for Harris and absolutely will vote for/choose the lesser evil as long as I'm still able. Doing so does not mean the Dems give any fucks about me.
  Remember when Bernie had real momentum behind him and the Dems sabotaged him because Hillary was determined to have her run at the presidency? If the Democratic party gave a fuck about the voting public they'd have gone whole hog behind Bernie.
  It the Dems cared about normies, they'd be doing more than performative filibusters that accomplish nothing. If the Democratic party cared they'd be throwing up every fucking roadblock they could to actually try and stop that motherfucker Trump and his fucking cronies.
  Are the Dems a better option than the Republicans? Yes. Do the Dems care about us? No. They're just the less shitty choice.
  
  I agree. I didn't say you're wrong. I'm just saying that the way this the meme is phrased creates a false equivalency that is misleading unless spelled out like you did
- Even with Biden exiting late, that was a winnable election and the dems botched it by trying to fit as much evil as they thought they could get away with into the platform-- so they could cash the most checks from AIPAC.
  If Harris had just said two weeks before the general that she thought what was going on was genocide, she'd be president right now and the minimum of campaign funding would have been lost. Sure the far right would never donate to the dems again, but when you look at what their donations cost us all, why would anyone take that money anyway?
  Bringing their priorities into the party was always a massive mistake by DNC leadership.
  And the dems like yourself learned nothing from the loss and keep preaching to others to accept lesser evils. When it comes to crimes against humanity I think you'll find for the dems that enough of their base says "never again -- for any ethnicity" that they should not even try this again unless they absolutely want to lose. Theres barely enough base to even try to win again in any case. We're past any sort of 'optimizing for highest $$' strategizing and just fighting for the party to even exist at all anymore. So maybe take your lesser evil metaphor and fold it till its all sharp corners and do the needful.
  
  I'm not a democrat and if I ever turn into one please put me down
  
  Nobody knows "what would have happened" and suggesting it is stupid. Ain't nothing predictable about this dimension.
  
  What makes you think that?
  What evidence do you have?
  The fact a bunch of people on Twitter said it doesn't mean it's a 1:1 ratio to voting.
  All the polls agree people lean more towards Israel than Palestine. Particularly in swing states like Ohio and Pennsylvania.
- The downvotes were from the pedophile's wife
- And in this case, both are the child predators as they are both financiers of genocide.
- Well in that case its simple. Take the nonpredator. Now in usa voterinos both are doing genocide together. In that case its also simple. Reject both.
- Avoid that rapist molesting manager, Trump.

The problem of the US is, it is an neo-liberal feudalism with the right to vote between right wing and far right wing to be able to label it as democracy which it never really was. You have the choice to get fucked with or without lubrication, currently the last one.

One side are literal fascists and the other is not. Nothing else matters compared to that.
- Why did the Biden regime give $18B to Israel to help murder Palestinian civilians?
  Can you answer for any of Obama's equally vicious war crimes?
  
  Trump and his fascist goons are worse. Period. End of discussion.
- One side are literal fascists and the other is the former's enables.
  FTFY
- both sides are literally fascist. one is just covert about it.
  
  You really should look up the definition of fascist, because you are using it wrong.
- Yea so this is why I support third parties. Dems need to be better than "not fascist"
  
  The system as it stands does not support third parties and Democrats are the only hope we have of changing that system without massive bloodshed and suffering.
  
  I love how 3% third parties with no chance of upending either party are super effective at killing specifically non-conservative campaigns AND helping checkers-players feel smug faster. Take a bow for being part of today's problem.
  
  Thus helping a facist wins. Great move.
  So long as we are an FPTP system with the current 2 options it's just shooting the non-fascist option in the foot for no reason. Gotta keep non-fascist around so you can actually have a chance at fixing things without getting gulaged.
- Fascism is capitalism in decay and imperialists are scared of their empire decaying
  
  I always find it amusing yet chilling when libs try to distinguish themselves from fascism by labeling it on pretty much everyone other than their own (e.g. AfD, Republicans, center-right, """""far-left"""""""), almost as if they refuse to acknowledge that they're in the fasch club too, scratched or otherwise.
- Genocide apologist
- Nazi party vs Nazi collaborator party. Different, but both deserve the gallows.
- Which side isn't again? Which side is actually against genocide? Oh wait! Neither are....

bUt iT's bEtTeR WhEn dEmOcRaTs aRe iN CoNtRoL BeCaUsE ThErE's nO FaCiSm!1!1
- I learned from looking at this thread logged out on lemmy.ml that libs would prefer a single party state. I must mean they finally see the Chinese point of view LOL
  
  they're kool aide drinking themselves into a single party state. lol
- It's better when Democrats are in control because my brown countrymen aren't being detained and deported without due process by Democrat politicians
- Will you still be saying that when you're in a camp for talking shit about the government? Probably not.
  
  no one is; but there are plenty of people who insist that the democrats are better because they dump a little bit less shit on you than the republicans while refusing to admit that shit piles up no matter how little you do it.
  
  Of course. Its the whole bourgieoise's fault after all

But their tolerance for making you suffer differs significantly.

That's what happens when lobbies can just buy your politicians

"I want the USA to suffer and die"
Ftfy. Only one party is actively funded by our enemies and is enacting favorable policies to them.
- "our enemies" LOL you Americans are so ridiculous. Turn off the TV, you're just some dope who works for a living, absolutely no one is your enemy except the dictatorship of capital who are represented by political parties in your country and run capitalism.
  Both of your parties carried on illegal wars in my country, toppled the government, left a power vacuum that consumed my family and I still don't think of you as my enemy.
  
  So you're calling Putin a good guy now? Not the best look.
- The democrats were committing genocide. GTFO with the "funding our enemies" Ultranationalism.
  You are right about one thing though, I do want the USA to suffer and die, given both sides are fully committed to nationalism and genocide.
  
  Really‽
  
  This was in Canada and we asked people, how much would you pay to clean one lake from acid rain pollution? And we asked other people, how much would you pay to clean up all lakes in Ontario from acid rain pollution? And people gave roughly the same number.
  Daniel Kahneman
  Point is, the vast majority of people are black and white thinkers. You're either cleaning pollution, or you're not. 100% of the party supports cutting off aid to Israel, or they're all literally committing genocide. You are merely one of the vast majority.
- Your oligarchy sponsors both parties all the time.
  
  I am not in possession of them.
- “I want the USA to suffer and die”
  trueeeeee 💯💯💯
- Yes. Yanks occupy my country. I want them all dead.
- Israel?
  
  Again...
- Only one party is actively funded by our enemies
  Incorrect, both parties take money from Wall Street. Only a tiny, tiny minority of the Democrats don't, and those spoiler Democrats are hated by the DNC far more than the DNC opposes their esteemed Republican opposition.
  If you refuse to see the capitalist oligarchs are the enemy that created the conditions for Trump, then nevermind and carry on, as there's nothing that ever could convince you.

Dear wherever you're from: there's a 99% chance you live in a token democracy and you're in denial about it.

- We currently have two parties in the US:
  The Nazi party.
  The Nazi collaborator party.
  One is objectively better than the other, but that ain't saying much.
- "This parent abuses you much less than the other. Why are you complaining?!?!?!"
  
  Interesting analogy I have found. There is a plethora of psychology and sociology studies that show that children in abusive relationships end up hating the parent that refuses to stand up to the abusive parent more than the parent doing the abusing. Even if the child wouldn't phrase it this way, there is an acceptance that abusive alcoholics exist. It is the supposedly good and sober parent letting it happen and enabling it that generates the greatest anger and hatred in the child.
  
  And back in real life rather than your imagination, we've got the actual rapist versus the guy who once smelled someone's hair. Yeah definitely both the same. /s
  Yeah, America is a capitalist hellhole, but the false equivalence you folks are pushing is absolutely astonishing.
- Oh yes this is exactly what OP is saying. I’m sure Biden along with all the other Democrat politicians care IMMENSELY about everyone and are pure, benevolent beings. OP is 100% wrong. Democrat politicians treat every US citizen as if they are their own child. As long as the Republicans continue to do awful shit I will 100% believe this is how the world runs!
- As an outside viewer, the Democrats seem like the obvious better choice. The also obviously don't care about you that much. From what I can tell, while their actions are not outright destructive towards you, they at least seem only superficially helpful.
  And sure, that's much better. I don't think they care about you.

The funniest thing about non Americans is that they think most of us don’t fucking know this. It’s so annoying
- If you read this thread you can clearly see that Americans, not known for their shrewdness or ability to read, don't actually fucking know this.
- This thread is very clearly proving that US liberals actually think they live in a democracy.
- Read the comments in the thread. Americans dont know this lmao

Not about that though, is it?
In America, it matters which people are for the party, not which party supports people.

Haha, I still not sure what to call them.
USAns?
USArians?
USians?
I think Usans would be the most correct, but they are a people with no name.
- Amerikkkans
  
  *Americucks
- SchoolShootingians
- This will never stop being a funny joke I hope you do it forever.
  Sadly while you do that our county will still be burning down the planet around you, but at least the history books will call us the nameless which is a damn cool name.
- Burgerlanders?
- USSAsians.
- Usonians
- trumpistanians

well to be fair %100 republicans and about %90 of democrats don't give a shit about you
- Bernie is an Independent, so it's more like 95

Finally someone who speaks the truth, however humans are a lost case, you can't un-slave mentality without changing the people.

Dear nonUSers: why are you still talking to us as if you can reach us?

- Yep. And Democrats were super evil with what they were doing a few months ago.
  
  No content correct the record bots are downvoting you and a lot of other ppl in this thread, who say anything even slightly negative about them. I'm having to ban a lot of them rn.

In fact some of them hate you and consider you to be a parasite no matter what you do.

Why are the American right red and left blue, the opposite to most other places?
- There is no official color designation for the parties; and they used to commonly be "reversed" although it varied from media outlet to outlet.
  
  The colors "switching" is almost entirely a media fabrication. Different television networks trying out different colours and configurations, copying each other, chasing viewer numbers, etc. and the 2000 election is where it gets kind of standardized as what we have today.
  “My firm belief is that the turning point in red/blue states was the national map (that) USA Today ran the day after the election in 2000, in which — for whatever reason — red was Republican and blue was Democratic-”
  Keating Holland, CNN’s director of polling and election analysis from 1993 to 2014.
  
  That’s a detailed answer, thank you.
  It’s just in the rest of the world it’s red for left and blue for right. The USA is the other way round, I wonder if it’s similar to Labour Day in the USA being a different day.
- They actually swapped which color was representing which party in election years on TV until the 2000 election. The election coverage went on until the almost the end of that year due to contested Presidential Election that went to the Supreme Court but the concept of "red states" and "blue states" was burned into the collective memory so hard they just stayed like that afterwards.
- I suspect the red=left association has to do with socialism which is haram in the US. Also the democrats go all the way back to Jefferson and were the conservative party until FDR.
- During the 2000 election all the major news networks happened to use red for states that went Republican and blue for states that went Democratic, and it kind of stuck since.

https://represent.us/

This we have heard. This we all know. The concern for their fellows is all just for show

Personally I'd prefer if 'memes', if you can call it that, like this one were kept to politics-centered communities.
In any case, I think the message is true for most if not all countries on the planet. No politician from any major party is a good person, and they most definitely don't care about you enough to do anything for you. You will probably have a hard time finding any politician that isn't a liar, or worse, but the major parties are the worst of the worst.
- There's a specifically non-political meme comm, if you want.
  As for all politicians being evil, you're close to correct, but not quite. Establishment Parties support the system they are in, and the DNC and GOP are in the world's worst Empire. They are quite a lot more evil.

So... I should just lay down and take it? I'm not sure what point is being made.
- That is certainly a take. Just do nothing about it I guess. People can never make a difference or do anything without politicians. You've already ceded all the power you have.
- The point is that there are other alternatives.
  
  I support the alternatives up until election day when I have to accept reality and not throw my vote away. Truth is if everyone voted for their ideal candidate, we'd end up with 50 parties each getting 2% of the vote... There's always more ways to split. You have to compromise somewhere if you're going to vote at all.
- Look for ways to pursue political goals beyond obediently punching a ballot. The billionaires don't control politics just because they vote harder. There's lots of ways to go about it but almost all practical strategies involve being a part of a larger organization. Unions are the most classic example.
  
  The unions are corrupted, too.
- It's just lemmy.ml taking a pop at the US so they can feel superior. Feel free to ignore.

This is for trutru

- Daily reminder that BlueMaga cultists don't consider non-Americans to be humans or think their lives are worth anything.
- Meanwhile, Democrats are working tirelessly to give Trump even more power.

LMAO stupid
- I know Americans all are
- Nice report lol, the only dickhole here is you

Yes, but Americans hating their government is exactly what got us here.
Doubling down on that sentiment is only going to make things worse.
You understand that, right?
- Nah, you don't hate your government nearly enough
  
  Well, you expect your hate to create for you a few comrades, but it'll only make for more hillbillies named Conrad.
- I'm not an American. I hate your government and it hates you.
- Lack of criticism of the US government in the first place is what got us here. You can say the GOP is worse all you want but you must admit that the Democrats are massive fuck ups too if you want things to ever get better.
  You can't keep falling for this notion of "every criticism of the democrats is supporting the GOP". Its not even an election year for Christ's sake.
- Hating the government is right and good. The problem is the crushing of the left, the popular front, and the Democrats taking up all space for opposition to the Republicans, while wanting to be "polite Republicans" and maintaining the status quo above all else is what gave opening for hating the government to take this reactionary form.

- yeah!! why won't these woke pinko commies just fall in line and vote blue already???????
- Further evidence that "tankie" just means "anyone to the left of the Democratic party"
- Damn commies raising a stink about the US genocide of Palestinians again. /s
- Acknowledging that the majority of politicians don’t care about everyday people in the US as “bothsideism” is so fucking stupid. Don’t get it fucked up, it’s the poor vs the rich. And if it isn’t obvious, they want more money. More power.
  If you actively stand there and say “yea shut up, bothsideist” (whatever the fuck that means) then you are contributing exactly nothing to the conversation.
  This system is supposed to be for the people, right? For all the people? Not for the select few that gamed the system? So if it’s between a totalitarian state that silences dissent in order to keep workers rights or one that lets our politicians be corrupted and look the other way when rich people test the waters and try and take more and more with time, I’d prefer the first option.

True for any goverment. I am fucking tired.

We need to all vote libertarian, just to see what its like. As it is, we keep going back and forth with half the country hating the gov and each other. I think I speak for many on both sides when I say, we are tired of the red and blue.
- That’s possibly the worst solution I have ever heard
  
  Worse than getting another R or D in there? I guess we could go independent if not libertarian. We just need a change.
- You need to all vote PSL
  
  I did
- Libertarian here. That's a terrible idea, most of us are downright nutjobs. The only things us libertarians have going for us is that (unlike Democrats or Republicans) some of us are fully aware that our party is a joke, and sometimes when we screw things up it's amusing. Ever hear about the time we got an entire town over run by wild bears? I mean, bringing in actual wild bears might sound more entertaining than Democrats saying they'd rather be around bears than men, or the bear markets that Republicans have create with tariffs, but it's still not exactly good for the people living there.
  
  Still might be better.

Respectfully disagree. They care at least as much about us as a cattle rancher cares about their cows, which is quite a lot. The end result is still grisly, though.
Edit: To be clear, I'm not "both sides." One is worse than the other. Also, not every Democrat is an AOC. Schumers exist and are absolutely backing billionaires.
Edit edit: forgot to mention Sinema, Manchin, and Fetterman. Everybody get involved in the primaries.

This sub is brain dead
- Welcome to the majority of the internet my friend.
  It really does suck
  
  You’re doing your part in that lol
  Neither party gives a fuck about you; you can call people stupid and say “bUt rEpUbLiCaNs” all you want, it doesn’t make that statement any less true.

- No need to #bothSides to split the Dem vote anymore -- it's already over.
  You're the one who brought lost elections into this.

Useless line of thinking. Go do something about it.
- That doesn’t even make sense. If it’s useless thinking, then why do anything about it?
  
  looks like the lib programming on that one has a few screws loose