The government should dismantle Tesla in Canada

better yet, lets rebuild any factories to produce parts and vehicles for a nationalised electric vehicle company, to produce entry level electric vehicles so people can actually afford these fucking things.
- How about we don't waste all of that money and resources and invest in mass public nation wide transit instead.
  
  whos to say this facility couldnt produce components for that system as well?
- to produce entry level electric vehicles so people can actually afford these fucking things.
  The problem is that supporting car infrastructure always results in a loss for society. Building more roads for cars, wider roads for cars (i.e. more lanes), more parking for cars... is such a drain on funding that you never catch up.
  If you live in a municipality that doesn't have enough money for basic services, it's because of the money needed to support car infrastructure. Sounds crazy, but it's true.
  As a country, we should de-prioritize cars as a means of transportation, but also as an industry that we rely too heavily on.
  If Canadian manufacturing could diversify into other areas of transportation (i.e. affordable, Made in Canada e-bikes and e-cargo bikes) or putting our manufacturing efforts into building trains and public transportation vehicles... we would strengthen our economy while helping people, and it wouldn't be at a loss!
  
  Just because one step doesn't get you to your destination, doesn't mean you shouldn't take that first step.
  Bikes aren't practical in a large number of Canadian cities, especially ones with -30 degree seasons. They aren't practical for disabled people. They aren't practical for families with young children.
  A lack of road infrastructure also hobbles emergency services such as ambulances. It reduces the ability of trucks to deliver goods to stores. It reduces the ability for utility crews to service utilities such as power lines and sewers.
  There are a lot of potential issues with aggressively pursuing what you envision. At the very least you'd need to massively re-work city design and zoning, rebuild a ton of stuff. That will take time. Shifting to electric cars will take less time, and be a net 'win' for the environment, generally speaking. I see no issue with the first persons response saying we should try to make evs in country.
  
  The problem is our cities. I know everyone says look at what x European country does. But our cities are far to spread out and densely populated to even compare fairly. We need to stop the endless spread and start infilling our cities.
  
  Yes, but don't let perfect be the enemy of good.
  
  i agree to an extent, but we cant pretend that the wide space between cities, and rural towns doesnt exist. nor our very cold weather. making ebikes essentially useless for long distance commuters who already have to drive 30 minutes to 1.5 hours one way going 100km per hour. now imagine doing that same trip on an ebike in the middle of january where you can only go 35km to 50km max. this also neglects people with disabilities who otherwise are fine using their own vehicle when they have bo access to public transportation.
  we simply do not have the infrastructure in this century. maybe some day. i hope. if we dont blow ourselves up first and stop electing people whos idea of progress is cutting programs that build a greener future.
  by all means though, get an ebike if its feasible for you in your life style. just dont assume its the answer to everyone elses, we havent reached utopia level tech and production levels yet, lol.
- Affordable EVs already exist.
  They're called e-bikes and they cost less to purchase than car insurance for a year.
  
  That's all well and good if you only have to transport yourself, and only have to go a few kilometres. Being a smug prick because you don't have any place to be or anyone else to bring with you does absolutely nothing to promote your cause to others.
  
  They also existed before that. They were called trams and nearly every city had them.
  
  not practical for many canadian cities -- especially ones further north, with temps frequently around -30 degrees. Also not practical for disabled folks.
  Also not practical in areas of higher crime, as we dont have secure 'parking' options.
- But then the government would be forced to backtrack on the multi billion dollar investment it made in big auto companies to keep manufacturing jobs from flocking to the US (nationalizing would cause us to compete with them and undermine the support provided).
  I still think this choice was a mistake, but voters gonna voter on single issue politics.
- Manufacturing is not coming back to the west. Capitalism will always seek for cheaper labor and more lax environmental regulations. We have outsourced manufacturing and pollution to developing countries while charging as much as possible to their customers.
  
  This is why when people discuss this subject, and use terms like "we need to", a big part of me knows it's just that they "want to". A huge chunk of what we feel is necessity is, at best, "comfort subsidies" for our cushy lifestyles (and lest I be accused of tone deafness, I mean cushy in comparison to those in the developing countries you mentioned. "Less polluted and oppressed for the comfort of others" cushy). While it's true that too much change too soon means lots of people starve, I don't really think we actually know what we need.
- Fucking lol. What kind of utopian delusional shit is this?
  The mental hurdles you'd have to do to think Canada would steal an American companies infrastructure, kick them out and then use what they stole to begin making some sort of government owned electric vehicle company?
  To a population of 40 million?
  Bro, it's like I like the overall sentiment but it just sounds wild.
  
  The government subsidized a loooooot of that infrastructure.

Let's start small. Have the federal government remove the twitter/x link for contacting the federal government on the federal government website.

Well, besides the moral obligations to stop fascism right now, at least reconsider whether such unsafe vehicles should be allowed on the roads. Them lobbying against it should not work anymore.

Canada is all but officially at war with the States, it's time to think about what are acts of treason. Muskrat acts with more authority than even the VP.
- Canada is all but officially at war with the States
  Let me know when there's a single casualty. Otherwise, maybe don't trivialize war as an economic pissing contest.
  
  Cold war possibly?
  This is literally Canadian Bacon. It was funny then but its a circus now.
  
  According to Warren Buffet, these tarriffs are an act of war. I think i'll take his opinion over yours.

Seize the property and transfer it to Canada National Electric Vehicle Company. Then convert the facilities to build High Speed Rail instead of clunky individualist electric vehicles. Finally, build a rail artery all the way from Vancover to Quebec and bill yourself as a low-cost high-speed transit route that bypasses the United States.
- Quebec
  Halifax.
  Build it and they will come. You don't build a bridge based on how many people are swimming across the river.

You don't have to do that. Remove tariffs on Chinese EVs, and the market will ruin Tesla on its own.
- Wow, no kidding, we have 100% tarrifs on chinese EV and 25% chinese aluminium.
  https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/canada-china-electric-vehicles-1.7486204
  If it comes to it, Canadians might have to seek alliance with China, and that's something neither americans nor canadians really want.
  
  Yea let’s not do what we always do by switching from one bad thing to the thing we know is worse because “change” while better solutions exist. China also threatens sovereignty, supplies Russia, and even works with North Korea. They have even worse labour issues than the US does, though oddly they seem to do alright with trans rights. The concentration camps for Uyghurs does offset that last bit, though.
  I wish we had more brains than “frying pan hot, must jump into fire”.
- Yeah, unfortunately we're investing tens of billions into EV manufacturing. Another major investment from Siemens was announced just this morning. If we drop those very justified tariffs, we won't have an EV industry in Canada anymore. As long as the Chinese government is heavily subsidizing BYD research and production, tariffs are appropriate to balance the playing field. Otherwise our nacent industry will get smothered in the crib.
  
  no tariffs are justified. If that industry gets smothered it just makes it better for some other industry. National protectionism makes the whole world hungry.

Tesla is tearing itself apart all on its own. We can just watch and not implicate ourselves.

Liquidate Musk