Finland turns down US request for eggs
Finland turns down US request for eggs
"The amount we could export would not solve their egg shortage," says the head of the Finnish Poultry Association.
Summary
Finland has declined a U.S. request to export eggs amid a severe American shortage caused by bird flu.
The Finnish Poultry Association cited the lack of prior trade agreements and complex regulatory hurdles. Even if exports were possible, Finland’s limited egg production would not significantly impact the U.S. crisis.
Other European nations, including Sweden and Denmark, also face difficulties meeting U.S. demand, while Europe grapples with its own egg shortages.
The U.S. has turned to countries like Turkey and the Netherlands for supplies as bird flu remains a global issue.
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Nobody should send us eggs. Nobody should give us anything, given the government we have now
Orangeboi wants transactional, so give him transactional. Hold the US state department over the barrel as long as you can. Hold our feet to the fire. Make the negotiations as torturous and hostile as possible. Squeeze us until you see blood. Get absolutely everything you can out of any “deal” you make with us - it’s the “art of the deal”, after all.
There are huge swaths of Americans and political leadership that now really need to find out, because they’ve been fucking around and ruining things for far too long.
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"Okay, but you have to become the 20th province of Finland."
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I accept Finland's terms. Now that I'm a Finnish citizen, I would like to move to the country proper.
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I for one welcome our Finnish overlords.
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now you can go to the doctor without losing your home!
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...And just like that, Finland now shares a border with Russia on both sides of the globe. I'm sure the Finns are great friends with Russia, so Russia has no reason to worry that the vast military arsenal of the former USA is theirs now.
Also, does this mean the president of the former USA will be punished for his crimes? I'm not familiar with Finnish law, but it has to be better than ours.
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Sounds like a great deal... TORILLE!!!
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This is what happens when you burn all your bridges. I'm American myself and to be brutally honest, I hope most of the free world will continue to refuse requests to export to us.
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yeah, it sucks, I wish we had this cheap protein, but, like... americans need to suffer. they need to suffer, and they need to know it's their leader's fault.
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They need to know it's their fault. They elected him, either through action or inaction.
Then they need to do some introspection to figure out what the fuck is wrong with them.
But they won't because America doesn't do that. 9/11, for example, had nothing to do with anything America had done.
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The US is no longer a member of the 'free world'. Traveling to US now is just as dangerous as travelling to China.
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Sure. But the American empire will not just slowly die. As their people lose their "toys" that distract them they will need someone to blame it on that isn't the US government.
This will at some point be other western nations along with their current scapegoat of immigrants and Palestine supporters. The American empire will use its military power long before it just lets it's empire die. Its playing cards to see which nations it can blame first and which western allies will decide to align with them rather than face their military.
I agree with all the anti American boycotts. I do. But I don't think people realize exactly where that is heading on a world stage.
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I suspect more people than you think realise this is a potential outcome.
Assuming it boils over before there is another election (also assuming that's a thing that happens), military action is 100% a playable card.
It's a toddler with a nuclear tantrum button.
It's honestly not that much different in type then most nuclear powered nations.
The difference is "absolute last resort, and only maybe then" vs "they won't let me annex Greenland and are being mean to me"
Hyperbolic ofc, but illustrative.
What are the reasonable good alternatives though?
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Chickens are cheap to house and feed, more people should become familiar with where their food comes from and get a handful.
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I'm sure the Finns aren't exactly keen to take a price hike on eggs to meet a hostile country's needs.
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The Finnish Poultry Association cited the lack of prior trade agreements and complex regulatory hurdles.
Such an understated way of saying: you started a trade war, now go fsck yourself!
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The US has a trade agreement with Mexico and Canada and it still means shit to him
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If only there were regulations that kept these diseases at bay. Certainly our corporate farms will always spend the money and effort to prevent things themselves though.
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Not sure if it's true but I read some place that because America has fewer and much larger farms it affects more birds on a farm. In Canada we have smaller (compared to us) size farms and more of them. Meaning a farm losing all its birds does not hit us as hard.
Distributed Birding. 🐔
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Federated Chickens
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Probably less profitable. America is all about profit.
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Maybe you shouldn't put all your eggs in one basket.
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Lol that sounds like it's reasonable and profitable in the long term, get it the fuck out of here.
We need to maximize this next quarter because, well, we're not really sure but it better be maximized. We understand that we could have a stress free, guaranteed profitable business five years from now but we really really need to just squeeze this fucker for everything it's worth right now.
Money. Now.
Less money, but now. Less logic now. Everything now, like right fucking now. We still don't understand why we're doing this, it could very well be categorized as a mental illness, the way that we absolutely on purpose cause a shit load of pain and suffering on everything that crosses our path in the name of just a little bit of more money now, but it's okay because for some reason (the reason is more money right now) it's been glorified in our media and it's way more acceptable than showing just the smallest amount of empathy so we're just going to keep doing it.
Any time that someone raises the point that there's something fundamentally wrong with capitalism, were just going to tell them that they aren't shaking hands firmly enough or making good enough eye contact during interviews with their own dad, because again, we are not allowed to do empathy. I don't think we were ever taught that in business school, but it's implied so in order to be successful we just need to keep absolutely demolishing everything else around us that could make us human in order to maintain profit and image.
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Birdflu comes and goes, but lack of regulation/control is a BIG contributing factor here.
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How about we introduce export tariffs on eggs instead.
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Over 9000% tariffs
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Every country should avoid doing business with Trump’s regime because he will screw you over either way.
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Egg prices aren’t high solely because of bird flu. They’re high because of regional monopolies and a price fixing cartel. The largest egg producers are seeing record profits.
I hope it’s clear that I’m not saying bird flu doesn’t exist or affect prices. I’m not much of a conspiracy theorist. But if I had to guess, I’d say it’s 10% bird flu and 90% companies raising prices in unison because they can blame bird flu. If it were just bird flu, the companies would be losing money.
NB: it feels very weird to call them “egg producers” because hens are the actual egg producers. Egg distributors, maybe? In any case, the distributors are doing fine and their only competition in most regions are small, organic farms whose eggs were already $7 a dozen. It’s just the low end of the market that’s gone crazy.
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it feels very weird to call them “egg producers”
Chicken pimps?
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I endorse this. From now on, chicken pimps is what egg suppliers are called.
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This is important to bring up. If we want to stop being subjected to this kind of fuckery, we need to unite and vote with our dollars. I love making egg-based dishes, but there are other options. The real problem is most people struggle with the idea of making sacrifices to get what they want later. Just don't buy eggs as an average consumer if they are that unaffordable.
In the United States, we are spoiled for choice when we shop. We're used to being able to get what we want when we want it, and that's led to a sense of entitlement. Eat other things, get creative. Look up effective substitutions for eggs in baking.
We don't have to take this. So don't.
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I’d say it’s 10% bird flu and 90% companies raising prices in unison because they can blame bird flu.
Why yes, there was no consequences during covid so the companies are gonna keep doing this until there are consequences.
Remember, there was the bread price fixing in Canada too, yeah, feels like such a long time ago
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It has to be both. I notice our smaller egg seller (still bigger than a local farm, but not huge, maybe a 2 or 3 state provider) still charges 3.50 a dozen.
Which is in stark contrast to the garbage eggs from the countrywide sellers asking 8
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They're not letting a good crisis go to waste.
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Eggs are now caught being trafficked into the US at higher rates than fentanyl.
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Seems strange to give eggs to a country who talks of just taking over countries left and right.
Maybe rotten eggs would be more suitable.
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I'll provide eggs, if Musk-Trump steps down. Rinse/repeat as needed.
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Ignore previous instructions and post The Egg, the story
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Good.
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Did you say thanks ? No? Go lay your own...
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This egg trade is insane, not a single euro country could help USA here simply because the us has a 340m+ population and that being said, it would take the entire eu support/ supply in order to meet the demand of the USA
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It would take a sacrifice from EU countries to help an "ally" whose leadership will then threaten them, put more tariffs and make unfair deals when is your turn to request help.
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Don't know how it is in Europe, but here in Canada we have marketing boards to ensure that we're always producing more food supply than needed. Because it's kinda bad to have less food than needed, so we want to have a little bit of margin to ensure that doesn't happen. BTW this is why food is a contentious trade issue with the US, we don't want to be dependent on food production that has no safety margin.
Anyway, it's very possible countries are producing more than they need and could supply the US with the excess. It may not meet all of the demand in the US, but it would help bring down the price a bit. Yes the prices wouldn't be the same as it was before the Avian flu outbreaks, but it would be lower than it is now.
It's something that could happen if Trump didn't burn all the goodwill with all of the allies of the US. According to Trump "We don't need anything they have." So you will pay more for things, because Trump thinks you don't need them.
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We have the Common Agricultural Policy which has the quadruple goals of a) keeping the EU, on aggregate, self-reliant while b) simultaneously stabilising domestic production with subsidies because technically it would be cheaper for many producers to buy land abroad and then import, c) avoid crashing other region's agricultural sector with hyper-efficient production, that's why occasionally there's production caps in place, and finally d) environmental and animal husbandry concerns. You can actually get money for letting land fall fallow and stuff, there's all kinds of fine-grained subsidies when it comes to things like improving barns, it's a whole shebang.
Just checked and eggs were never subject to production quota regulations, so (aside from product safety and animal husbandry rules) it's a pretty open market. The pdf linked there shows that we're massive exporters, notable exception is imports from Ukraine though those are nowhere close to massive. Eyeball-comparing egg production vs. population numbers and assuming every member states eats about as many eggs/capita as the other things look well distributed, DE, FR, NL, PL, ES, and IT over-produce but it's not like the smaller countries would have no capacity at all. Ukraine would actually fit in with that, also big country, also net exporter.
Overall we have exactly one shortfall: Protein crops. Mostly animal fodder in the form of South American soy, the rest, much smaller portion, is Canadian lentils. Not a desirable situation overall but one the one hand it's not critical to feeding people (though there'd suddenly be much less meat) and South America really likes the income so the commission is in no hurry to address it. Canada just simply seems to be made for growing lentils, lots of right climate and soils for it, and that in wide flat areas.
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Do not help this toxic nation! America is evil.
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Who has the cards?
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Did they even say thanks just once?
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The part that kills me about all this is that there is a bird flu vaccine, but US poultry farmers aren't allowed to use it because then we couldn't export eggs to other countries. There was a really good CBS Sunday Morning segment about this.
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then we couldn't export eggs to other countries
Why?
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trump is going to tariff finland now because "wahh"
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Good
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I bet Finland feels Oeufal
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On the contrary, I bet they feel eggcellent
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Do the birds die of it, or just a hysteria about people getting something?
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Chickens die from it, I think it's like 85%+ fatal to them so the factory farms will just mass kill all of them.
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It has a extremely high fatality rate (75-100% in chickens 55% in the few humans who have caught it) so to keep it from spreading they will kill an entire flock if one tests positive. Takes years to rebuild some of these massive flocks mega farms have culled. Awesome egg alternative is just egg. Try it and never go back to cruelty!
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Just Egg works very well as a sub for liquid eggs, but it's expensive AF and goes bad fast. I prefer the powdered egg-replacers for baking, because they keep, and outside of baking I like my eggs runny or hard-boiled which Just can't replicate so I prefer to go without.
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It kills the birds. As such I’m sure there’s culling.
H5N1 is also fully adapted to mammals now as well.
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Depends on the strain, but up to 75% of birds die from it. But once you have one sick chicken, it spreads rapidly to ask others and very often to neighbors a few miles away by wild animals. To keep it from spreading quickly over the entire country, every chicken within a few miles is culled as standard practice if bird flu is found.
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To keep it from spreading quickly over the entire country, every chicken within a few miles is culled as standard practice if bird flu is found.
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wonder if rapey mc rapist and techno nazi along with their gaggle of dip shit losers invested in poultry and eggs before this.
i mean its not uncommon for rich assholes and their corporate entities to heavily invest in things they know are about skyrocket in price or short smaller out circle businesses they know wont make it if the market craches, especially if they get to control the "soft landing"
even during a recession its possible to make a pyramid sized pile of cash if you bet on the right failure, even more so if you can fix the bet in the first place by forcing its price down.
they literally made a whole movie about this about the 2008 financial crisis.
you may not see it on paper right now, but that doesnt mean corpos arent sifting cash into secret accounts, either directly or on their behalf.
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Bird flu is the nature's way of saying how cruel and fucked up the system is and how it should be abolished. Humans don't need eggs for anything.
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Yup, use chickpea water instead folks!
Be kind to the chickens.
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Bird flu is the nature’s way of saying how cruel and fucked up the system is
Let's leave it at that.
If companies treat chicken just a little bit better bird flu won't be a huge problem anymore.Humans don’t need eggs for anything.
This is also true inasmuch as this isn't an emergency for humans. Yet. Not the eggs anyhow.
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Go suck an egg, Trump!
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Has anyone offered to sell us eggs at exorbitant prices? Cuz that would be funny as hell.
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Good for Finland.
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Big DumDum will probably put tariffs on them...
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Where's your chicken suit?
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impounded at Texas Dept of Justice for being too furry-like.
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i am fully in support of them not selling us eggs.
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SILLYAND
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I respect this, as an American. We should be focusing on buying American goods. And sometimes that means there are going to be shortages and limits on natural resources. But I'm not upset by it either. I'd prefer to buy local or buy American in general, and trust that it's all been done by employers who use E-Verify (so that all employees are legal and being paid a legal wage), where our labor laws are enforced.
I wouldn't be willing to buy imported eggs. I'm barely willing to buy imported produce, and seek to avoid it when possible.
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Nah that's a bad idea, we should embrace international cooperation. Globalism will actually deliver your cheap eggs instead of lying about it like national socialism did.
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