I'm gonna be really pissed if my christofascist parents were right
I'm gonna be really pissed if my christofascist parents were right
I grew up listening to fundie christian parents babble at length how we were living in end times. And mocking them mercilessly (at first among my fiends, later to their faces) as often as possible.
Now look at us - on the brink of non-existence politically, environmentally, and civilizationally. Not sure that last one is a word.
If they were right I'm gonna have some 'splainin to do.
Dammit.
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It's more that it's a self-fulfilling prophecy.
"The world will hate you," so you're antisocial and hateful in preparation. They do hate me! It's all true!
"There will be wars and rumors of wars," so you vote for the defense hawks supporting the military complex. So many wars! It's all true!
"They won't even tolerate your views, they'll try to outlaw it!" So you try to ban them first. It's all true!
Why protect the temporary environment when you have eternal paradise waiting? Why do ANYTHING meaningful here when you have eternal paradise waiting.
tl;dr: Death cult. Projection.
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If you spend your life wanting to see the end, eventually you will.
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Not only that, but these bad things HAVE TO HAPPEN before the good things can come to pass. That's the order of operations. Which leads to seeing the bad things and thinking, "YES!!! It's haaaappeniiiiing!!!"
You literally welcome disaster, because it proves you right, rather than working to prevent it.
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yeah but its all going downhill because of people like them. christians are complicit in the demise of democracy.
theyre causing their own doom so they can point it out. if they didnt exist, the world would be a better place.
theres a great meme somewhere where the rapture happens and the world is an amazingly better place for it.
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It's been the "End Times" for the last 2000 years. They were full of shit then and they're full of shit now.
Their whole death cult is predicated on the world ending in a violent fiery ocean of blood so that they, the only good people who won't be damned to a burning torturous eternal punishment, will ascend to a paradise of everlasting Jonestown. It's sheer insanity. Malicious, cruel, psychopathic insanity.
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When a denomination lies about when the apocalypse is coming they can gain more followers than they lose, look at all the offshoot denominations of Adventists/Millerites
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dates_predicted_for_apocalyptic_events
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TBF this is the first time in 2000 years when we have billions of people warming up the planet and studies by actual scientists saying if we continue the way we are we have at most a couple of centuries left. Plenty of studies saying that when you know where to look.
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I’m gonna need links. It’s been a while but last time I read the IPCC reports executive summary there was no such predictions and certainly not going out multiple centuries.
https://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar6/syr/summary-for-policymakers/
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I’ve read their book several times. Take some comfort from the fact that if they are right, all of them are on the side they thought they were against.
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You must have skipped the Old Testament
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Lol..i’ll admit that i’ve skipped over more of it. it’s a lot more tedious than the new one. i have my own path though and don’t need no stinking books. my god encompasses all gods and everything. no one can think of a greater god because mine will just eclipse it. it also doesn’t require worship because it has much more self-confidence than those little pussy gods.
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Just sayin. These fools are walking right into it.
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If we're walking into oblivion it's because the christofascists are leading us there. It will be their self fulfilling prophecy.
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Personally, if I die only to find out that the Tyrant is real, I'll gladly walk into hell before I kneel my way into heaven. Fuck their narcissistic, cruel, inhuman monster of a god.
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I would expect in that case "hell" is just a lie anyway, like an abuser telling you you can't live without them. It's classic controlling behaviour.
Realising that helped me walk away from the whole thing: Why are we told hell exists if it isn't real? Control.
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Don't confuse coincidence for causation. For hundreds of years, people have been harping about the " end times." No 'splaining needed friend.
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More likely hundreds of thousands of years, as long as humans have existed and been able to communicate that to each other.
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Yes it's a death cult and we're locked in the basement.
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If you predict it's the end times every day for a thousand years, eventually you'll get it right.
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America isn't the world. It's just a regime that will fall because of shortsightedness. If your Christian parents only think of the world as "America", then I don't think you owe them anything?
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I'm going to make a point here, and I hope I am wrong, but I don't think I am. If America falls apart, I think it will be the first one, not the only one. The influence America exerts on much of the rest of the world is huge, and the pressures on many other nations to follow any collapse with one of their own would be difficult to stop. Not just influence culturally, but economically, including but not limited to agriculture. Removing the agricultural influence provided by America alone will be devastating for much of the world (including non-agrarian parts America).
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Very decent chance America just nukes everyone on the way out out of spite
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Self fulfilling prophecy. It's a doomsday cult and they're trying to bring the end times instead of waiting
When they said we're living in the end times it wasn't a prediction it was a threat
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I hope the rapture comes and takes all the good people to heaven so us evil doers can live out or lives not knowing the grace of God!
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If that happens imma stay up late and eat cookies
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The oldest human writings are lost to history. But we can be assured that they bitterly complained about the young generation and predicted that the world would end soon.
Sooner or later, one of the kooks will be right by coincidence.
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Self fulfilling prophecy
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Exactly what I came here to say.
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“The imaginary is what tends to become real.”
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I love the word christofascist. I‘ll try to use it more from now on.
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There’s a conspiracy talk in local mid-eastern/muslim bubbles that Evangelicals seizing every opportunity to team up with Zionists to bring the Rapture as soon as possible.
The talk’s been around since Ottoman times so it’s easy to dismiss, but given between apathy to Israel state’s genocide and Trump’s fast start to his secondary term gives me chills no lie.
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It was always going to end. And I'd rather be there for it than be born in some other boring and eventless time. Unfortunately, as exciting as times are, I think there's still quite a while to go and we won't be around for it. But you can still enjoy all that's happening now; sure is a lot!
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May you live in interesting times.
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Depends on your generation. I'm early gen Z and if I live long enough, I think there's a good enough chance I will see humanity going extinct
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Nah, there's an apocalyptic phase that goes on for a long time and chances of ultimate survival are quite positive. Six billion could perish, making life much easier for the remaining, though there'd be hard times for a few generations during recovery.
Always look on the bright side of life 😙🎵
Or, ya know, astroid... Whatever it is, it beats dying of dysentery at age 34.
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There is nothing in the IPCC reports that even come close to civilization-ending predictions from climate change.
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First IPCC is a political process with high input from climate terrorists.
You are right that the requirement for ending civilization requires over 95% population decline. Civilization existed in bronze age. Global warming is unlikely to be a near extinction event, as technology to survive, especially for a small population, should keep up.
What should be clear though is mass loss of prosperity and life is a cycle to lose more prosperity.
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Climate change alone might not be enough to do it, but do you honestly think we'll get through all the strife it will cause without significant nuclear weapons use?
Climate will drive crop failures, which will cause widespread food insecurity in nations with nukes. Do you really think that we're going to watch nations with nukes endure mass starvation when they could attack another nation and take it's resources?
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Christofascists are wrong because they don't recognize themselves and their cult leaders as a primary cause of doomsday, but rather they promote some poorly interpreted, wacky hallucinations from a dude in a desert 2000 years ago.
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If the entire world dies for any of those reasons, it’s humanity’s own damn fault. There will be nothing supernatural about it. You won’t owe anyone any kind of explanation.
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Yeah... That's not what "right" means.
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I highly recommend the song Apocalypticism by Moon Walker
Apocalypticism - a doctrine concerning an imminent end of the world and an ensuing general resurrection and final judgment
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Well, they're not right if they were harping on "Jesus is coming again!" but other than that, I too might owe Mom & Dad and apology.
More clearly than ever in my life, I can see the end — the end of me, the end of America (whatever that really was), and the end of everything. It's all so clear, it's difficult to see anything else, even when I turn away.
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Btw, what made you think we weren't living in the end times?
Edit: Ok i might have to do some explaining.
The way i understand it, we're living in exactly the time period (1800 - 2050?) where people basically figure out all about technology. That puts us in the very special position that we can choose what the future looks like. Such a situation has never been there before. In some sense, god lives on the inside; it's us who will permanently transform the world into its final state. That is the "second coming" and "end times".
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If you have the time, I highly recommend the book “American Apocalypse” by Matthew Avery Sutton. Really digs into the history of this whole thing and helps you realize just HOW MUCH of this shit is truly self fulfilling prophecy. I’m currently working up the courage to gift it to my highly evangelical family and forcing them to read it.
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The political craziness is a direct symptom of knowing country/planet is unsustainable. Full desperation to believe anyone that tells you pillaging the world for oligarchy is bestest future somehow.
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If they were right it's because of their ideology. They are the ones denying climate change and the ones supporting Trump. They aren't prophets, they are the problem.
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No we're definitely all gonna die real soon