Canada must use all means to resist a Trump-led hostile US takeover.
Canada must use all means to resist a Trump-led hostile US takeover.
Trump's threats to Canada are not idle boasts and shouldn't be taken as such. They call for a whole of society response.
Trump’s threats to Canada are not idle boasts and shouldn’t be taken as such. They call for a whole of society response.
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Never thought I'd ever say it, but I'm not terribly opposed to an independent Canadian nuclear deterrent these days.
I can think of no other workable solution if we're serious about remaining Canadian. The Ricans would steamroll us conventionally. Without a credible deterrent, Slobba the Slut could very well ramble himself incoherently from 'economic pressure' to 'occupational force.' We don't know what his puppetmasters and wormtongues are whispering in his ear, or how far he and his sycophants are willing to go for a cheaper egg.
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Canada can easily manufacture nukes. We have all of the scientific and technical skills to pull it off. I hope we never need one of the damn things though.
That said if a dump invasion took place I’m sure we could count on France to give us one to decapitate the dump.
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The French nuclear umbrella being extended to other EU states is still only a suggestion (though even as just a suggestion it is a very strong political message). What that would mean for French nuclear doctrine in practice is yet unclear. Would France nuke Russian troops/infrastructure/cities and risk all-out nuclear war to protect Romania? Moldova?
Funnily enough the entire reason why France has an independent Nuclear program at all is De Gaulle did not trust the US to risk New York being glassed in order to save Paris from a Russian invasion. Which was probably correct. Unfortunately, the reverse logic also applies and France will not risk Paris being glassed to save Toronto. The only reason why a sovereign European nuclear umbrella makes sense on paper is that an attack on any EU member state hits close enough to home as to arguably be existentially threatening, unlike a war an ocean away.
Unless you meant France selling nukes, but that would violate every nonproliferation treaty out there and just be a complete mess that even with a sane US administration would lead to a complete diplomatic meltdown. The current suicide cult at the helm would probably actually start a nuclear war for less than that.
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I would very much rather we err on the side of caution when it comes to our sovereignty and Trumps erratic, ego driven foreign policy.
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The eggs must flow
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Increasing domestic drone and munition (mortar shells, AT mines, grenades) production would be valuable too.
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This. Ukraine has shown us the way. There is no great counter to cheap drones yet...
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Indeed. Due to our proximity to the US, short/medium ranged arms would be ideal.
Maybe we can talk the French into give us a few TNA's 😉
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Poland is thinking of that.
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This is the kind of thing where I hope we are secretly working on this and are able to make an imminent announcement to make it crystal clear not to test us.
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This isn't the case.
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I am very glad that Canadians are uniting and sticking up for their local businesses like never before, but we cannot lose sight of what the real danger is.
The US is very unlikely to launch a physical invasion. It would be extremely foolish for numerous reasons, chief of them being our massive unprotected border and how our major urban centres are right beside US cities. We are not a country on the other side of the globe.
No, the real danger is the US economically weakening us and putting us into a position where we are forced to capitulate much like Mexico. Canada does have leverage over the US but that only remains if we protect our industries which make up our economic backbone. Donald placed a 250% tariff on Canadian dairy which, on paper, seems pointless because the US doesn't really buy any Canadian dairy. But it does send a message that he knows dairy is a protected industry in Canada and he wants to attack it.
It is so important that we have leaders willing to protect these industries and be willing to spend money to expand them.
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Ah yes. I'm glad we can be so confident the current administration would never do something foolish or damaging to themselves or others.
Also it only took them days to stop multi drug resistant tuberculosis treatment half way, and giving countless babies HIV that wouldn't have had it, if not for the recent actions of this administration. Or blatantly and loudly planning an ethnic genocide. Also following the putin method by the letter, and letting Russian media into the oval office while they try to put down Zelenskyy.
Hmm, what is the Russian 'go to' behaviour for shared borders?
I think we need to be developing anti drone tech among other things. I'm not saying it will happen, and it would likely instigate or be included in a civil war. I would usually think all of this sounds crazy, but we live in unprecedented times, full of familiar historical rhymes. I'm sure their preference is to take over without having to actually fight, so they can grow their power, but also things might escalate as they continue to rob and abuse the masses. There are more reasons than i can summize here, but I think pretending there is no danger is wilfully ignorant at this point. I hope for the best, but I don't trust these people to not be thoughtlessly monstrous.
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The US is very unlikely to launch a physical invasion. It would be extremely foolish
It would be extremely foolish to avoid preparing to defend yourselves based on expecting this administration to avoid foolishness.
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Canada will be waiting fuckers!
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just lure them to the high artic, and the yukon the fat slobs will just donnor party each other very quickly. canada also has to option to cut off all traffic to ALASKA.
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Unbelievable shit. You're brothers from Europe are with you.
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This could be pretty scary if the US had an evil and competent leader.
Given Jabba the Trump's track record, he'll surrender in about 3 months.
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Yeah we need deterrents. This shit ain't funny anymore and there's no guarantee Trump will be the last in the string of fascists.
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Exactly they’re repopulating themselves like cancer. On socials they’re regurgitating MAGA/Trump bs talking points. It’s the American culture at this point to do hostile takeovers. They’ve always been this way. We just never thought it would happen to us.
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His son is already floating the idea of running in 2028, so the wild ride with this particular fascistic dynasty is far from over. It will probably continue into the next decade or so, at the very least. And if Canada maintains its sovereignty over the next four years, that does not mean we're in the clear. Far from it.
I'm 100% with you on 'deterrents.' I think it would reveal an extreme lack of competence, not to mention a dangerous lack of planning for our leaders not to consider seriously the idea of a robust deterrent at this point. I hope it's already being floated.
The fact that our leadership created the conditions for or allowed to worsen our over-reliance on a single trading partner doesn't speak much to the levels of competence we should expect out of Ottawa.
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i declare war to start on march 25th
actually war is pushed back to April 1st
ok it’s war time! wait why is my economy hurting, pause the war
ok war for real now. wait, sorry one sec, war partially pushed back to next month
why is Canada attacking us?
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That'd be true if he felt any kind of discomfort from attacking Canada, but the reality is that he'd be willing to do whatever makes him look strong as long as others are doing the dying
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Considering how pissed off and united we are over some off the cuff comments about 51st state and the fact it’s personal for trump, he really hates Trudeau, I don’t think they would be ready for the absolute carnage some of us would unleash on them. IRA showed everyone the way forward.
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Imagine marching troops in only to retreat after 18 hours of something stupid.
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Who had 'Canada invokes article 5 as Trump prepares land grab over price of eggs.'
You've heard of Lebensraum, but who expected we'd be worrying about trumps insatiable lust for Eierraum.
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The only takeover Canada is risking at this moment is one from within. It's insane there is anyone in Canada that wants to be part of the US... And apparently there's a decent number of these idiots.
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Yeah it's like 10%
The CBC interviewed one of these people and that guy was basically only cared about money and though paying lower taxes would be better. Probably didn't factor in paying more money for health insurance.
But there was a guy nearby out walking his dog. When told what the interview was about he said "Is that what that rock over there is for? So we can throw it at him?"
I think it's just terminally online people that are greedy as fuck. But there isn't much risk of that 10% taking us over. If anything, they're the ones taking a risk if they express their collaborator bullshit publicly. 10% with soft support vs. 90% that are absolutely against everything they're about.
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We're also underestimating how much Americans pay for insurance every month. It's like a whole second rent. Which I guess we pay through higher taxation but then again, we don't have to worry about setting up a gofundme if we get sick. Not to mention the secondary effects of this precarity: the whole premise of Breaking Bad for example doesn't make sense in Canada.
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I really think that if you ignore him he would forget Canada even exists.