You will never see this amount of Canadian pride coming from the conservatives. Ever.

Stepping down can sometimes be the real power move in politics, and for a politician that had quite few power moves for such a long tenure, this was one of Trudeau's.
And between the potential leaders, Carney is the only one that has a clear vision for the future on top of a plan to make it happen. While I don't agree with half of the stuff he's about, that's a million times better than a man more interested in causing division amongst Canadians when faced with an external threat, spineless coward that flip flops depending on what he things gets him political points, or people who have zero chance of gaining enough seats to make a serious change.
- Spitting facts right there sir hell yeah. Carney's own platform has so much detail in is that even half of it getting implemented would be fucking great right now. We need an economist to help restructure our provincial economies into one
- The way he's going at it, I assume he intends to be PM again one day.
  
  Honestly he might. He's young and right when he resigned I was ashamed people pushed him to because I said mark my words people will want him back in a months time and look at it now lol

Nah, Trudeau had to go. He had made many mistakes over the years, often stupid ones. He reneged on electoral reform. He didn't do anything substantive to alleviate the housing crisis. In fact how government did a few things to make it worse. He let Ford squander the $10 child care program in Ontario. And so on.
I voted Liberal in all the elections he ran in since that was the ABC choice in my riding, I appreciate the positive contributions he made, such as the pandemic response. However there are serious issues that were ignored and they became unignorable. People are lining up behind Carney because they see someone who says things that sound like he can begin solving these problems. Unlike Trudeau or Poilievre. I don't think Trudeau was malicious or profiting of any of the mistakes, but mistakes were made.
- Ford and Trudeau are way closer than either of them likes to be widely understood.
- How would you suggest that he solve the housing crisis after years of inaction by the premiers (who are responsible for housing) and then letting In so many foreign students so they could reduce education spending?
  The liberals injected 4 billion dollars into the housing accelerator fund to help after years of inaction by the premiers.
  COVID cost a lot and it def exasperated the housing crisis and I think right now Carney is the best thing to replace him with to restructure our economy inside out. Keep everything we gained with JT and pivot to get our economy balanced to then pivot back forward. In the grand scheme of things JT was kneecapped by very hostile premiers.
  
  They could have used a lot more stick to premiers backs. They started working with municipalities very recently. Housing was a problem even in 2015. They could have gotten back into building housing as far back as 2016.
  The federal government let the students in, not provinces. Provinces just took advantage. Trudeau's government could have increased university and college funding instead, along with publicly tarring and feathering bastards like Ford who cut the funding. Something which Carney has said he'll do. The funding, not the tar-feathering.
- Don’t forget the CCB.
  
  I don't, I didn't try listing all the good and bad achievements. I intended to say he did plenty of things to deserve people's ire, not that he didn't do anything good.

Between Carney and Poilievre there is no contest. However, it is important to say that from what we've seen, Carney's policies will not fix the deep problems facing the country. There is nothing there about reducing wealth inequality via taxing the rich, nothing about non-market housing, nothing about ending the oil-and-car economy, nothing about Land Back. And yea, I know those are left wing policies and he's a centrist but that's exactly my point, what we actually need is ecosocialism.
- Pretty much this. The best thing about him is that he isn't Poilievre.
  But Carney appears to be a relatively right-leaning Liberal. Shrinking the federal government is fine, I guess; cutting taxes for might be boutique tax cuts for the rich - I didn't see specifics; his housing policy seems to rely heavily on the private sector, which is pretty similar to everyone else's (and doesn't seem great, tbh).

Pierre Elliott Trudeau stabbed Québec in the back so many times. He was not a unifying PM at all. He pissed Québec off something fierce. He even got so far as imposing martial law in Québec at some point.
He did some good things for Canada, sure. But he was in no way a unifying PM.
- Yeah, it was called the October crisis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_Crisis?wprov=sfla1
  And even the premier of Quebec approved of Trudeau using the act AND the mayor of Montreal. He had that fucking stones to tell thos piece of shit terrorists, and anyone who idolizes them, that we won't let that shit fly here.
  He LITERALLY helped crate our charter of rights and freedoms, and made us entirely seperate politically from England. How in the fuck is he not unifying? How did he stab Quebec in the back? For creating our constitution? For making our country have two official Languages of English and French? Is that stabbing Quebec in the back? Lol
  
  I'm not denying he did some great things for Canada. But he was still controversial amongst the québécois.
  Also, one's terrorist is another's freedom fighter. It's all a matter of perspective.
- I don't know about "stabbing in the back". One thing to remember is that PET was Québécois himself. He just happened to have a different vision for Québec than René Lévesque. I do lean towards the validity of the sovereignty arguments myself but I can't not acknowledge that fédéralisme has deep roots in Québécois society just as well.

He's the best they've got, sure. But I don't think he's going to help the middle class. I don't think he's going to make a good PM.
I hope he proves me wrong.
- He keeps talking about the need to increase wages and shrink inequality, and he's written about the damage from rising inequality so while skeptical, I'm cautiously optimistic.
  My most optimistic scenario is that he's a lefty Keynesian ideologue who keeps his trap shut to not sound too government intervention-y in order to not scare the right of centre vote in order to get elected. Then once in power he'll let it rip. I can see a lot of keywords and hints in his speeches and writing but one can't be sure till you got actual government policy. Till then it could all be an elaborate ruse for suckers like me.
  
  I agree that he might be saying things to seem more balanced. But I think he's legit, hes a legit economist with tons of expertise and he knows how to manage an economy and think big. And we need big thinking right now. Not PP sitting there drooling about... Collecting tariff money to give tax breaks to people?? Nah man fuck that, carneys plan of cutting middle class taxes, changing the consumer price on carbon for an incentive system and keeping and increasing the industrial carbon tax? Yes pls. PP would have just gotten rid of the carbon tax across the board.
  Carney also wants to keep everything the liberals made progress on and even build on it going forward. Dudes smart and is one economic wiz I want running our country rn with America being so hostile
  
  Yeah well so did Trudeau. I was hopeful but I learned my lesson.
  Carney also talks about making cuts. What is there left to cut???
- He's literally going to cut middle class taxes and keep all the progress we have made under JT while pivoting our economic strategy to expand our internal and external trade partners. That's exactly what I wanted. A pivot, even most people thinking that Pierre is better have no fucking cute that Pierre would reverse everything JT had accomplished that helps the middle and working class.
  Childcare - can save families 5k/yr per child. Dental care for those uninsured making under 90k/yr AFTER taxes. Pharma care for BC and diabetes. Carbon pricing on industrial emmiters. School foods program that will make sure all kids are fed.
  These are all things that must remain and the CPC is just frothing at the mouth to gut them.
- middle class
  what does that even mean to you