4mo ago

You will never see this amount of Canadian pride coming from the conservatives. Ever.

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We were complicit in letting people bully trudeau out of office. But honestly how could any Canadian with half a brain not see that the liberals led by Mark Carney is the best choice for us in this Turbulent time. I could never see the Conservatives showcasing their values like this, it just screams Canada

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He's the best they've got, sure. But I don't think he's going to help the middle class. I don't think he's going to make a good PM.
I hope he proves me wrong.
- He keeps talking about the need to increase wages and shrink inequality, and he's written about the damage from rising inequality so while skeptical, I'm cautiously optimistic.
  My most optimistic scenario is that he's a lefty Keynesian ideologue who keeps his trap shut to not sound too government intervention-y in order to not scare the right of centre vote in order to get elected. Then once in power he'll let it rip. I can see a lot of keywords and hints in his speeches and writing but one can't be sure till you got actual government policy. Till then it could all be an elaborate ruse for suckers like me.
  
  I agree that he might be saying things to seem more balanced. But I think he's legit, hes a legit economist with tons of expertise and he knows how to manage an economy and think big. And we need big thinking right now. Not PP sitting there drooling about... Collecting tariff money to give tax breaks to people?? Nah man fuck that, carneys plan of cutting middle class taxes, changing the consumer price on carbon for an incentive system and keeping and increasing the industrial carbon tax? Yes pls. PP would have just gotten rid of the carbon tax across the board.
  Carney also wants to keep everything the liberals made progress on and even build on it going forward. Dudes smart and is one economic wiz I want running our country rn with America being so hostile
  
  One caveat, there's plenty of economists who think that PP has the right approach to manage the economy. Just because someone's an economist doesn't mean they believe what Carney believes. He seems to subscribe to some form of Keynesian economic thought while the majority of economists today are still Neoliberal (more free market, small government, unlimited free trade, trickle down).
  
  PP has not passed a single bill in 25 years in parliament. He’s never had a job outside of being an attack dog for Harper. He has no policies and no experience.
  
  No one is saying they like or support PP.
  Criticizing Carney doesn't mean you support PP.
  
  True. Carney is defintely not above criticism. But PP would be devastating for Canada.
  
  Totally.
  
  Yeah I'm not sure what's going on, I was simply highlighting that "an economist" doesn't mean a rigid and consistent set of beliefs and economic policies, sinc economics isn't a hard science and it's got multiple schools of thought that lead to vastly different political positions. And if you just go by someone being an economist you may get badly surprised.
  
  So PPs idea of "changing" childcare and the "waste of money" dental program? Pharmacare? The housing accelerator fund to replace it with his lame ass plan of a few hundred million to "reward" cities or then "punish" cities if they do not build enough? Like wtf do you think people are doing in these cities? You not realise there is a shortage of tradespeople? That was one of the reasons we NEED immigration
  
  Yeah well so did Trudeau. I was hopeful but I learned my lesson.
  Carney also talks about making cuts. What is there left to cut???
  
  There's a lot of problems in this country that cannot be fixed by simply throwing money at it. Like the military or housing. It takes a complete restructuring of how it all functions and recruitment, cutting red tape or making more efficientcies within the system and building smart to preserve the environment
  
  Actually, yes.
  The housing crisis could be fixed if the government started building subsidized housing again like it used to instead of hoping the private sector will save us and subsidizing these crooks who have been taking advantage of the market.
  And the military, too. We need to invest in more and better equipment mostly.
  
  The... The current housing plan sets aside money to have a certain amount of housing be affordable.... And it emphasizes that high density housing is key and is focusing on that? This is part of how you all just let them bash Trudeau for actually doing important shit we all need lol. And sure we can invest in our military more. But besides going outward to buy it, how do you spend money here to build the shit without the proper industrial base? We don't just have idle factories sitting there and massive reserves of raw materials to make shit with... It takes time to ramp that up
  
  My argument was that they rely too much on private contractors to build the housing and they won't build anything wihout any way of making a significant profit. The government used to build multi unit housing buildings before for social housing, but they pulled back from that over time.
  Otherwise, I agree with everything else you said about the military.
  In fact, someone else either here or on Mastodon suggested that the car manufacturing plants that might close down due to the tariffs, could be taken over by the government to build stuff. So why not military vehicles, etc?
- He's literally going to cut middle class taxes and keep all the progress we have made under JT while pivoting our economic strategy to expand our internal and external trade partners. That's exactly what I wanted. A pivot, even most people thinking that Pierre is better have no fucking cute that Pierre would reverse everything JT had accomplished that helps the middle and working class.
  Childcare - can save families 5k/yr per child. Dental care for those uninsured making under 90k/yr AFTER taxes. Pharma care for BC and diabetes. Carbon pricing on industrial emmiters. School foods program that will make sure all kids are fed.
  These are all things that must remain and the CPC is just frothing at the mouth to gut them.
- middle class
  what does that even mean to you

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