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A robot took my job

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Always wondered. Who is going to buy stuff if noone has a job anymore (or income)?
- On top of UBI that has been mentioned (and in true socialism - everyone's needs met beyond that, including housing, food, utilities, and so on), without capitalism the artificial "need" to "buy stuff" will no longer exist, so there's no problem.
  One thing capitalism is great at is selling us "solutions" to problems it created itself.
  
  “One thing capitalism is great at is selling us “solutions” to problems it created itself”
  Hm like UBI.
- The rich.
  
  Small pool tho
- That's where UBI comes into play
- For a guy like Trump or Elon, it's not about owning nice things or having wonderful experiences, it's about having people line up to kiss your ass.
- Robots
- No one. They’ll phase the proletariat out. Once we’re no longer needed as either labourers or consumers, we’re not needed period.
  They’ll mess around with UBI, it will be dystopian (digital tokens with expiry dates, social credit penalties) but eventually they’ll get bored and just kill us off.
  The moment is fast approaching — socialism or barbarism.

We need base Income for everyone, at some point … the problem that some earn more than anyone could ever spend, while many can’t afford food, will just become worse.

Human-contact based jobs should still all be available. Frankly speaking: apart from the AI hype which should just make automated tasks easier, faster and error-proof in the digital world, what jobs are we talking about? Robots have been available since the industrustial revolution began since any machinery can be seen as a robot. Are we talking about luddism?
- Ill gladly give a robot my human contact job. Retail customers destroy the soul
- The objection is not to the technology but to what capitalism does with it.
- Automation is massively reducing the required headcount for corporate bullshit jobs (most american jobs?). Instead of 20 people shuffling an excel file around we just have one python script.
  
  Warehouses are becoming automated as well. Why have However many forklift drivers plus a maintenance department when you can just have a maintenance department. You might need a few new hires for the robots though.
- Yeah, as a nurse, hearing about the AI 'revolution' in context of the ongoing extreme shortage of healthcare staffing just makes me think, "Great, more people who can come join us!"
  I envision a future where the primary occupation of the vast majority of humans is providing direct care services to other humans.
  (Note that I didn't say the primary source of income because that should be UBI. But the primary actually what we are spending our time doing type of occupation.)

Just load my consciousness into a computer already. Im tired.
- No problem. You're now stuck in Rimworld as an NPC.
  
  With someone using that mod
- I made a similar comment, but put my brain in a robotic/cyborg body or at least hook it up to a computer. I don't care to have a copy of my brain made.
  Brain VR would be pretty cool if it's not digital real-estate/micro-transactions etc.
  
  What if it's ship of theseus uploading? Every few moments, one neuron in your brain and all its pathways are replaced by a digital equivalent. One single neuron. Are you still yourself? If yes, repeat.

Once we reach a saturation point of jobs lost to AI, we'll have no choice but to either adopt UBI, or leverage the AI tech to "live for free". That, or just eat whoever has the 5 jobs left and therefore all the money, which feels meaningless to the rest of us.
God, I can't wait for AI to break money.

Reminds me of the Diamond Age by Neal Stephenson. Artisans that are really good at their craft have their stuff bought by the ultra rich while the rest of society has to take what come out out of what I can only call a replicator.
- It may be his best book. I also liked how after the governments broke down people voluntarily joined into tribal associations.

The robot's wage should really go to you, to compensate you for taking your job.
- Yup. It's not like the robot is going to spend the money.

As much as i'm all in for automation, art should still be a job or we need to rethink society so that people (REAL PEOPLE) can still make movies, big production, video games etc...
- i'd say "now I'm free to actually enjoy life" means that people can do the jobs they want to without worrying whether they can afford to eat or not, so everyone can be an artist or make video games if they so wish.
  
  If only we could :')

But doctor, I didn't have a job. I need to BECOME the robot (with a brain) that takes the job.

Meaningful work is the precondition to enjoying life. Socialism is not about empty hedonism while robots do everything. Socialism is about workers ruling this world, meaningful labor that contributes to society, having enough resources and leasure time to enjoy yourself.
But it’s not about not working.

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