Trump says Ukraine 'should have never started it' in comments about war with Russia
Trump says Ukraine 'should have never started it' in comments about war with Russia
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Trump says Ukraine 'should have never started' war in Ukraine
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After all, we've always been at war with Eastasia...
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The Ministry of Truth can't be wrong.
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They've already started their Newspeak.
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It's honestly uncanny. Not the similarities, but that one of the most commonly assigned books in the public school system is so blatantly disregarded.
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Russasia has always been our ally.
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How crazy that Americans aren’t embarrassed by this deadly lie.
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Don't presuppose my embarrassment. I have been embarrassed for as long as I can remember.
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Crazy!
Or, maybe they are. And this is just an ignorant hot take.
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Those of us that are embarrassed are outnumbered by the selfish idiots who could vote but didn't and the hate-filled who believe his lies.
Without an absolute seismic shift in American media and politics or a very massive and probably vert violent revolution, the county is done for.
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We are
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Oh, I was plenty embarrassed the first run around. The fact that I have to do it again is just...yea.
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I mean, plenty of people are. But I think you've got about four groups here:
- Supporters. These people are angry at the world and feel like it's ripped them off and that Trump is gonna make things better.
- Means-to-an-end types. These guys probably would rather not, all else held equal, have Trump saying Trump things, but if it gives them power to get what they want through -- e.g. tax policy changes, labor regulations, slashing government services, etc -- it's an acceptable trade. I think that a considerable portion of Republican Party politicians fit into this camp. It's not that Trump doing this is desirable, but it's that he's managed to get voters to give them power to do what they want...and those voters probably in aggregate don't actually want their policies and would not actually otherwise vote them the political power to do what they want.
--- Prince Feisal, Lawrence of ArabiaIn this country, Mr. Bentley, the man who gives victory in battle is prized beyond every other man.
- People who are indeed embarrassed.
- People who don't really think or care or often know all that much about the outside world. They're just off doing their thing. Go back to 2014, and here are a bunch of Americans asked to locate Ukraine on a world map: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2014/04/07/the-less-americans-know-about-ukraines-location-the-more-they-want-u-s-to-intervene/ https://archive.is/Lr0Ez Like, most people in the US really don't care that much about the international stage; it doesn't usually play a huge role in domestic politics. Most people don't have a great handle on what NATO is, what exactly the UN is, where most countries in Europe are, aside from maybe a handful of major countries. And once the Cold War ended, the American public's attention to Europe fell off: https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2024/05/08/americans-opinions-of-nato/
Americans have a varying level of knowledge about where NATO members are located, the organization’s central focus and Ukraine’s nonmember status. A majority (56%) can correctly identify Europe and North America as the two regions from which the alliance draws membership. And about half (51%) recognize promoting the security of its members as a central tenet of the alliance. Fewer (41%) are able to correctly identify Ukraine as a nation that is not a member of NATO.
Overall, 30% of Americans answered all three NATO knowledge questions correctly. About a fifth each answered two correctly (19%) or one correctly (20%). And 31% of U.S. adults did not answer any question correctly (including the share who chose “Not sure” at least once alongside incorrect answers).
Americans ages 65 and older are 20 percentage points more likely than those ages 18 to 29 to answer all three NATO knowledge questions correctly (38% vs. 18%). Previous Center research has found that older adults tend to have more knowledge of international affairs than their younger counterparts.
Americans with more education are more likely than those with less to answer all three questions correctly: Half of those with a postgraduate education gave three correct answers, compared with 17% of those with a high school education or less.
Notably, Democrats and Republicans were equally likely to answer all three questions correctly.
People who knew more about NATO tended to have different views of the alliance than those who did not know as much about it. For example, 73% of those who answered all three quiz questions correctly believe the U.S. benefits from NATO membership, compared with 57% of those who answered no questions correctly.
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A lot of us are ...
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I'm too paralyzed by fear to be embarrassed.
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Uhhh... How many residents of Gulf of Mexico's Northern Neighbors and Their Friends did you poll? I'm guessing the number is either zero or "enough to get the answer you wanted."
We've grown beyond embarrassed. It's embarrassing when you're sat at a table with a child who loudly announces that they've shat themselves. But now we're at the point where that child hired their friends to hold you hostage while they rub shit on everyone else at the table.
We still are a bit embarrassed, but now we're mostly disgusted, depressed, and terrified.
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Says who? We're not a monolith like any other group. I voted Harris and every day for me has been a waking nightmare.
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Many of us are.
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meanwhile he is threatening allies with invasions
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We should be threatening to give Alaska to Canada rather than threatening to make Canada the 51st state.
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Revisionist history much?
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He's a bully who thinks it's morally wrong for targets to not just lie there and take the beating, waiting for death.
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Trump, who said last week that he and President Vladimir Putin spoke by phone about ending the war, has made several comments bolstering the Russian president. He said during an interview with Fox News last month that Ukraine should not have fought when it was invaded by Russia.
"When you are famous enough, they just let you do it."
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More like "when you're a big enough scumbag, they just roll over and let you do it"
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But what was Ukraine wearing?
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That's right Ukraine was just asking for it. There they were within their own borders minding their own business giving russia no choice but to attack.
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"Stupid, sexy Ukraine."
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Asking the real questions
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Spoken like a true rapist.
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I genuinely hate this asshole with every fiber of my being and I will celebrate the day that he kicks the bucket.
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I will drink so much champagne on that day.
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He just had a meeting with Russia, he just listens to th last guy who spoke to him. Zero long term memory
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He's also been shown to be ridiculously susceptible to flattery and pomp, two things Moscow can provide in spades, with little cost to themselves. He also seemingly genuinely believes, that there is nothing more to politics but raw self-interest and primitive power displays, when there's a reason your edgy teenage friend didn't stumble upon some higher wisdom when claiming that about the world.
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President Dickhead Dory
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I will weep tears of joy when Trump dies and make it my life's goal to piss on his grave. I have never hated anyone or anything so passionately.
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Maybe you could arrange trips? Like a cruise where you meet up in the UK, piss on Thatcher's grave, figure out where Bin Laden was dropped off in the ocean and empty the ships septic tanks there before proceeding to Mar-a-lago... Or whatever golf course Eric sticks the old man in to qualify it for tax exemption.
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Where he’s coming from, based on what I’ve seen, is the assertion that Ukraine was in civil war before the 2022 invasion (basically true), and that the eastern separatists (who were indeed fighting Ukraine’s government) were being killed.
It’s also true that there was corruption, and some democratic backsliding, prior to the invasion (not that the US or Russia have any leg to stand on there).
The kool-aid part is that the separatists were fighting to “free” western Ukraine from the tyrannical govt, and that Russia finally invaded to save and “relieve” these noble citizens who want to be part of Russia. That everyone would vote this way if some elections weren’t suspended. This conveniently leaves out the first Russian invasion, propaganda efforts and so much more.
This is why Ukraine “started it.” They just kept attacking these rebels and forced Russia to intervene… I guess. On Putin’s side, it ties into the idea of an oppressed population yearning to be one with Russia again.
…What I am getting at is, with the MASSIVE intelligence apparatus at his disposal, Trump is guzzling this kool aid. He’s not a two faced dictator, he believes the propaganda and has swallowed the hook.
I think that is even scarier than a real “dictator.” Even if you buy into the whole “America First” philosophy (which has some merits at least), it means Trump can make monumentally bad decisions that don’t follow this mandate or even benefit him, as his view is totally warped.
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The alleged reason why Russia attacked was because they want a buffer zone of neutral countries around them. Apparently the US has been running its agenda pushing for Eastern European countries to join NATO knowing it'd stir some shit by ruffling Russia's delicate feathers. So Russia panicked when Ukraine looked to join NATO at the US's suggestion and basically used the gay panic defense but for the Western allegiance arriving in their backyard and invaded under a pretext.
Yes, the USA did ignore Russia's concerns knowingly (and did some very questionable shit inside Ukraine, as usual) but Russia imagined the worst scenario for themselves and did the illegal shit.
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Stop invading yourself, stop invading yourself.
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I think he's talking about how Ukraine was the first to bomb civilians. That was the pretext Russia used for invading.
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Why would that have happened?
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Putin’s puppet since Helsinki Summit.
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Not only from back then. The summit was organized largely because Trump admires Putin so much.
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Admiration is not the same as blackmailed.
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Fuck Russia!
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I bet Trump will invite Putin for a state visit before the peace has been brokered. Trump will spend hundreds of millions of tax dollars to impress Putin with a ridiculous ceremony. And Trump will gift hundred nuclear warheads to Putin.
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I don't know about the nuclear warheads, but I absolutely believe everything else.
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Russia literally started it when they invaded the first time. Trump would lose his mind if we lost even the tip of Florida to mexico... Seems inane to me, don't make shit up that's obviously a lie. Tell it like it is he thinks "Ukraine would be better under a united Russian federation." That's it. That's what Putin wants. For a tiny man Putin sure has swung a big metal dick around. Genuinely wonder what would happen now that he's old, if one of the younger, stronger, physically better, nation leaders wooped his ass in a meeting, like, tazed him, took any poison you know the bastard is carrying. Let him recover. Then woop the ever loving piss out of the ol vinegar bucket. Make him cry uncle and don't stop until he does. Sure he's a little man with a little sensitive ego, who would start a war for such an encroachment, but what would happen if you just kept woopin until he pleaded, and swore no wars would take place? I bet he would keep to his word if you brought him to tears, he's never been wooped like that really, no scars to show like John McCain had from actually being hurt, and Putin's had spy training so at least some level of training against torture, so crying would likely be about the point you shatter his rotator cuff in an arm bar while belittling him for being so weak... But if not you just start grabbing parts of his body and bending it the wrong direction until the job is done, he claims "he's old and fell down the stairs" like Mitch McConnel keeps doing, and the public moves on. I'm just sayins all, he's an old constipated removed, your belly shouldnt distend like that if you aren't fat, and you definitely don't have abs if your belly distends like that... So poop. Half his weight in pure, backed up, shit. I bet most teenagers could probably take him in a fair fight. Maybe if the poverty rate in Russia wasn't so high he could have gotten Ukraine to rejoin on their own for the merits it included, but looks to me like Russia wanted the mineral rights that trump tried to trade for.
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Moron's gonna moron
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He is the king idiot criminal leading a pack of losers.
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Distraction. They say this bloat on purpose to bog us down with nonsense. Ignore it, he hates that more than anything.
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Ignorant cunt says ignorant cunt shit. God I can't wait for 4 more years of this shit
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3 YEARS : 11 MONTHS : 1 DAYS : 15 HOURS : 37 MINUTES : 11 SECONDS
Almost one month down.
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Judging from historical precedent, the chances of actually having only 4 years of this aren't exactly guaranteed.
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When I woke up this morning I saw the headline and I thought "here we go again". I watched the video and my impression is that he said that sentence in his classic dementia rambling, right after it he said "he should have ended it".
Basically he was blaming Zelensky for not having negotiated right away and Biden for not having pushed for it.
Not sure if this makes it any better, but at least I got the impression he mispoke saying that particular thing.
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No, I'm done giving him the benefit of the doubt. The President of the United States should be able to clearly articulate a thought.
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This is not giving him any benefit of the doubt, it's trying to understand what he wanted to say given the fact that he is not able to articulate a thought. That is what I understood from the video, he rambles all the time and says random stuff, I think it's a matter of fact he can't articulate a thought. Sure, it's a disgrace that one of the most powerful men in the world (if not the most) can't do that, but here we are.
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Vladimir Trump, First Communist Comrade has spoken.
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What in the dill pickle is this pumpkin going on about?
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Trump is nothing more than a treasonous piece of shit.
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Wait so, its Ukraines fault for allowing their Russian puppet government to be influenced by the United States? And somehow this is Ukraine starting this conflict and not Russia? That only makes sense if you think that Russia has the right to do whatever they want to Ukraine which is a rejection of Ukrainian sovereignty.
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Joined today and spewing russian propaganda, name a more iconic duo.
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Peace is possible but only if Puttler fucked right off.
Puttler has shown he doesn't care for lives, he bombs innocent people all day. He didnt stop at Crimea back then so why would he stop now?
Its not Ukraine that sacrifices lives its Puttler.
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Russia invaded as a disguise for support for Ukraine?
That’s an “interesting” take.
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STFU.
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I fuckin' hate this guy.
One day, we WILL wake up to his obituary.
It's the reason I refresh my feed so often.
Some daaay, over the rainbow🎶
Not if we don't wake up!
I felt a genuine modicum of relief at the thought.
Or he’ll wake up to mine and tens of millions more…
Thanks for shining a light in these dark days
I hope to be this lucky.
I just can’t anymore. Sorry guys, I’ve been too sick and can no longer cope.
I pop in once a week so I can say, aloud: ‘Jesus fuck this bastard.’
So here’s my weekly ablution. Dog help us all.
Take a minute away from this shit for your own mental health. We'll still be here yelling about this fucking dickhead when you return.