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And Campylobacter, Cryptosporidium, E. coli, Listeria, Brucella, Salmonella.. It's the Macy's parade equivalent of preventable diseases by UHT and y'all been invited!
On the other hand, unrefrigerated raw milk is a fantastic way of meeting who's who of the bacterial world.
I think there is confusion between raw milk, pasteurized milk and UHT milk. Only UHT milk doesn't need to be refrigerated but it tastes horrible.
Only UHT milk doesn't need to be refrigerated…
While it’s still sealed. Once opened, it needs to be refrigerated.
I’m that weird guy who prefers the cooked taste of UHT pasteurized milk.
There is decent UHT milk but it's by no means the majority of the market.
I don't get it. Isnt all milk to be refrigerated?
the post is highlighting the hypocrisy in refrigerating milk while also being against milk pasteurization, since both of those practices have been done for around a hundred years and serve to make milk last longer and be safer to drink.
A lot of continental Europeans drink UHT which only needs refrigerating once opened.
Doesn't raw milk have an even shorter shelf life?
Depends on how you look at it. Raw milk spoils at the same pace as [Edit: ultra-]pasteurized milk. Only for raw milk the counter starts ticking once the milk leaves the cow, whereas [Edit: ultra-]pasteurized milk remains sterile until you open the package.
Pasteurised doesn't equal sterilised. Not sure ofcourse where you live since apparently that matters for this term since some places used pasteurised for what is double pasteurization and thermized for single pasteurization.
I know the pasteurised milk I buy will spoil in a matter of days, even if unopened. The only milk that will stay good unopened for months us UHT.
in a way, no, because raw milk is already unsafe to drink by the time it's packaged
+1 for this: I have very personal experience with an E.Coli outbreak in a small town in southern Utah in 2017. Although the infections did not come from raw milk directly, the infections were traced to the area where the milk was packaged - and albeit anecdotally, there were several related deaths over the years that I was aware of, that were never reported due to the...uh...unique religious background of the place.
so yeah, I mean...don't let your children play in manure but also...don't drink milk that you sanitize less than you sanitize your hands.
So it doesn't turn into yogurt?
My fridge isn't full of raw milk or anything, but I think this goose is a better fit for the oven than guard duty.
Not sure if you're joking but to make safe to eat yogurt, you'll need to first kill the bad ones by heat, then cool it and once it is barren, you should invite the cool guys in like Lactobacillus bulgaricus, Streptococcus thermophilus, Lactobacillus acidophilus or Bifidobacterium lactis, they'll need to be kept cosy and warm, and that will give you yogurt.
It's a bit like making alcohol—it's made through fermentation, but you want it to be very controlled.
Normally you'd want to sterilize the starting mix first to kill any undesired molds and bacteria, add the fermenting agent that you want (lactic acid producing bacteria in this case) and age it in a sealed container until ready.
If it starts with any contaminants or if any are introduced during fermentation, it'd spoil the batch and make you very sick if ingested.
regular milk also needs to be refrigerated tho
If your objective is to get sick then it needs to kept room in temperature.
So is having it raw in the first place.
The only acceptable use for raw milk is cheese. Give me a raw milk camembert any day.
This is such a dumb take. I don't trust raw milk, but those that do aren't arguing it won't spoil at room temperature. Like, I support buying local, free-range chicken meat. But if someone came up to me and said "Oh yea? Well if you like chicken without antibiotics and preservatives, why do you still refrigerate it?!" I'd look at them like a fucking idiot.
Maybe the joke isn't particularly fair, maybe it doesn't really need to be.
You have logical reasons to avoid antibiotics and preservatives. Someone might not agree, but whatever the case, you made that decision based on some amount of evidence.
Raw milk though... I think the meme is correct to equate anger with pasteurization as a denial of germ theory. We pasteurize and refrigerate for the same reason: to keep bacteria from growing. It is a fair question: if pasteurization is unnecessary, why is refrigeration necessary? Avoiding preservatives doesn't beg the same question.
OP definitely has some brain worms. RFK is that you?
I believe OP is joking
Poe's law.
Do you guys really drink milk? I don't think I've had a glass of milk since I was like 14.
My family used to drink milk for dinner. We probably went through ten liters of milk in a week. The top third of the fridge was always reserved for milk.
When i moved out i continued doing this for a while or eating cornflakes in milk, but eventually stopped because my adult body is not that fond of digesting milk. I eat crazy amounts of cheese though, but the well cured one that are low on lactose.
I have 4 kids between 16 and 6. I buy 6x 3L bottles of milk at a time and it barely lasts a week.
About 0,5L per day, yes
I like milk
It also goes into some of the food
I had oatmilk once at a vegan diner 6 years ago, and that was the end of me buying milk to drink. I only buy it now for baking/cooking.
I think it's used in a lot of ways that isn't "drinking a glass of milk". I suspect most milk is poured over cereal. It's also used a lot in cooking, but insisting on raw milk to bake with seems especially weird.
Normally in tea and stuff, and with cereal
Yes.
I'll have carton of almond milk maybe a few times a year. A glass of cow milk maybe once every few years and it will probably be chocolate
It's a national drink in the Netherlands
karnemelk. shudder
I always drink plenty of Malk, I don't know why my bones are so brittle
Same. It's been at least 35 years since I drank a glass of cow juice.
other than a couple of weirdos, who is actually out there drinking raw milk?
Quite a few weirdos, really.
Not trying to defend drinking raw milk but things do taste different at different temperatures.
