Donald Trump's "Peace Deal" is meant to give Russia everything they want
Donald Trump's "Peace Deal" is meant to give Russia everything they want
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Yeah but you see Putin has some very special tapes of Trump so...
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In the age of deep fakes noone cares, even if that is true
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Does this post title contain zero-width characters or something? It slipped past my app's filters.
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I was setting a little trap for any AI response bots. I don't think that any exist, but I was curious. I apologize if it broke your filters, it was just a one-off experiment.
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That's crazy, I never thought about that kind of trap before
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Do you have a way to check if it's still breaking filters? That wasn't the intent, since it's affecting normal users I've now edited to remove the sketchy characters.
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Your fix worked, and the post is not visible in my normal feed now.
Still, all the client devs probably just collectively emitted an audible eye roll.
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Yes, that seems to have fixed it for me. If I remove the keyword from my filter list and visit the community, the post shows up. But once I add that keyword back to the filter and visit the community, the post is gone.
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Still showing up for me in Mlem. I was wondering what had happened.
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Good call out. I am using Connect and it broke my filter as well.
Edit: yes.
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Congratulations protest non-voters!
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russian agents in the white house, go fuck yourself!
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Is this the official plan now, and was it the same one that Russian propaganda channels were leaking?
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I was half expecting a "deal" along the lines of "all Ukrainians fuck off somewhere else and don't ever come back, and me and my
bosspal Vlad are going to turn Ukraine into a luxury riviera" - this shit is pretty close...-
You’re thinking of Palestine.
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This wouldn't be different under Harris.
Ukraine is toast. -
If you think it would have panned out differently under Harris, I have a bridge to sell you. She would have not have had the influence to get Ukraine into NATO even if she wanted to, what is she going to do? Kick out Hungary? The only thing Trump has done that Harris wouldn't have is this minerals for protection deal. The US was never an honest ally to Ukraine, they were only interested in offloading weapons onto them and bogging down Russia, they were never prepared to help in a way that would actually lead to Ukraine getting it's lost territory back. Ukraine should have never given up their nukes, promises are only words, they never should have trusted western countries promising them security to begin with, Ukraine having nukes might be the only scenario where an independent Ukraine doesn't end up losing territory to Russia.
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Dude... bravo, man, for making the effort, I guess. This is actually pretty impressive.
The US was never an honest ally to Ukraine, they were only interested in offloading weapons onto them and bogging down Russia
Absolutely correct.
they were never prepared to help in a way that would actually lead to Ukraine getting it’s lost territory back
All the blue is Ukraine's lost territory they got back with the West's help. There's also Kursk.
Ukraine should have never given up their nukes, promises are only words
Probably true.
they never should have trusted western countries promising them security to begin with
Did Western countries promise them security? That's the whole controversy about them joining NATO. For some reason, it is a globe-spanning crisis for Russia if NATO does offer them security, were they to be invaded, instead of just no-strings-attached weapons and a hearty pat on the back for good luck. Wonder why that's a big issue.
I feel like this phrasing is, maybe, an incredibly artful dodge, inserted into the middle of talking about the Budapest Memorandum to make it sound like any part whatsoever of the betrayal of that agreement came from any source other than Russia, Russia, Russia. Maybe I'm reading too much in, though.
Ukraine having nukes might be the only scenario where an independent Ukraine doesn’t end up losing territory to Russia
Probably true. They're working on it. Doesn't that kind of thing bother you? Wouldn't it be better to give them conventional assistance to the extent they actually need, and allow them to counterattack without all this nail-biting about how it would be ever so rude and we don't really care to that extent about dead Ukrainian soldiers and civilians? So they can win the fucking war and we can all go back to our lives?
The only thing Trump has done that Harris wouldn’t have is this minerals for protection deal.
I saved this one for last. I'm going to just sit and ponder at it, in silent contemplation.
Like I say, it's pretty impressive. You've combined true statements that are sort of in the neighborhood of what you're trying to prove, unrelated assertions, and absolute bald-faced earnest fabrications, into a pretty passable imitation of something that makes sense.
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This is an excellent and thoughtful comment. Everything you said is true.
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I have to applaud you. This is a work of art.
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Yes 1991(?) Ukraine agreed to give Russia the nuclear weapons in Ukraine in exchange for protection from the US, it's very well known.
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Like I say, it’s pretty impressive. You’ve combined true statements that are sort of in the neighborhood of what you’re trying to prove, unrelated assertions, and absolute bald-faced earnest fabrications, into a pretty passable imitation of something that makes sense.
You are so snarky it hurts, you managed to say almost nothing of value in all of these paragraphs. If you want to add something of value to this discussion inform me on what Harris would have actually done to help Ukraine or give them anything substantively different than what Trump is offering.
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I would just like to say thank you, Garibaldee.
It's astonishing to see someone so willingly say "I voted for trump" in so many words.Well done.
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Harris's approach presumably would have been a continuation of Biden's, waging an economic war of attrition against Russia for as long as Ukraine was willing to hold their ground. The whole endgame here, under the Biden/Harris strategy, was going to come down to which side blinked first. Putin must have gambled that he'd win if Trump won, which is exactly what's playing out now. If Harris won, it'd be a continued stalemate, which of course benefits the western coalition - not Russia.
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So when hardcore Democrats around here call me a Russian/MAGA troll this is what they're talking about. I don't think I've ever said anything quite this outrageous but... uh... fair enough?
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I don’t think I’ve ever said anything quite this outrageous but… uh… fair enough?
What do you find so outrageous.
If you want to add something of value to this discussion inform me on what Harris would have actually done to help Ukraine or give them anything substantively different than what Trump is offering. Instead of just saying you find what I'm saying outrageous.
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FUCK YOU, AMERICA.
As an American, yea. We deserve that. I'm sorry. We've failed Ukraine and the world.
Shhh
FUCK YOU, AMERICA.
NO.
Fuck all people of a particular race or origin!
There. That's you.
Lmao, telling a country "fuck you" is somehow racist now.
Go fuck yourself.
Hey. Shut the fuck up. America is actively attacking the entire world and its own people.