6mo ago

Nubo as a Proton Replacement?

I saw Nubo mentioned in a thread a while back but there were only a few comments. Does anyone use Nubo? What has your experience been like?

https://nubo.coop/en/

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Wait for them to be audited. Trusting a company just because they say the right thing is silly.
I know people are up in arms about Andy Yens silly comments, which is fair but, Proton is a proven service.
If your looking for an alternative go for another proven service such as Tuta or Mailbox.org
- I heard Tuta is a honeypot. Is this not the case?
  
  People will tell you that everything is a honeypot. In fact, I am a honeypot
  
  It's obviously not impossible, but you'll find people calling every single private messaging platform honeypots. I don't recall seeing any convincing proof for Tuta, personally.
  
  Tuta has already been through some cases linked to German court orders to decrypt emails received in the inbox of alleged criminals, just like any other company that is subject to the legislation of its respective country (I don't know the difference with Proton, which until now I only found out about the delivery of IPs, not the content of the emails themselves, based on Swiss court orders), but I don't believe it is a honeypot because Tuta has clarified the entire issue and still has credibility in the privacy community.
  
  No, a teapot, and Bertrand Russell wants a word..
  
  It's actually a good question and you're getting a lot of shit for it from people who seem to not even know where this accusation comes from.
  https://tuta.com/blog/tutanota-not-a-honeypot
  “So, I was briefed on a storefront that was being created or had been created in order to attract targets – criminal targets to this online encrypted service that was being created, in order for them to – the criminals or the targets to use this service in order for intelligence to be collected by the agency that created the storefront. … It’s an online end-to-end encryption service called Tutanota.”
  It can be a lie, a mistake, or truth. It can even be a false flag accusation to destroy their reputation. We don't really know.
  When looking into this it's good to also know about Tor Mail: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tor_Mail
  There might have been some confusion between Tutanota and Tor Mail.
  I don't think anybody here will be able to actually answer it.
  
  tuta is legit. there are many dumb people on the internet telling dumb things

- Im using Mailbox with K-9 Mail or Thunderbird.
- Mailbox.org is closed source unfortunately and I believe the Client is too

Seems like it is only for Europeans (and possibly even excluding non-EU citizens)? I have been using Zoho (free account) for many years (since I got rid of GMail) and while not explicitly privacy-focused they are not a data collection operation like Google/Alphabet or Meta. They make their money through providing paid accounts to businesses (competing with Google Suite). I have been very satisfied with them. They provide very good 2FA options and apps and I also use their WorkDrive (previously Docs) and Notebook.

After registering I wasn't even able to pay for a sub to check out their offering for myself. English docs are lacking. I think they are focusing on fr and nl regions. Support e-mail autoreply also only replies in those languages. They are really small scale, ~2000 users by their own admission. Which is ok, but if you advertise a service, at least let people pay for it, so they can start using it, however janky it is.

Consider this: when you were drawn to Proton, what was it that attracted you? Was it not some aspect of its promise or appeal? And now, as you move away from Proton, is it not the same discriminating mind that drives you to seek out another object of attachment?

I haven't heard about nubo till now! Probably very few people here have experience with them. Looks promising, but kind of risky since we dont really know if its trustworthy or longstanding

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