2y ago

Looks like the "coup" is over

https://tass.ru/politika/18110833

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The way libs just immediately became pro-Wagner is nuts
- One of the core values of being a liberal is that you stand for absolutely nothing.
- After months of "Well what about Wagner, there are Nazis on both sides!", they've finally managed to praise both side's Nazis.
  
  Wagner got promoted to being good Nazis, in an instant. Now its over, back to bad Nazis.
  Fickle bunch of cunts.
  
  They wanted to all along, just needed an excuse.
- not so. they're pro-anything that impedes russia, which includes infighting. if the us had another civil war, many of us would certainly support it.
  
  If you think of it, it's pretty impressive how liberals always manage, without even a sliver of understanding, recognize which side is objectively reactionary and follow it.
  
  Your opinion shows that you flex your empathy muscles
- thats what libs do. turn on a dime when the signal is sent
- “Wagner is weak and feeble, the Ukrainians counteroffensive will crush them…
  Wagner is an elite, unstoppable fighting force that will storm Moscow and depose Putin!”

and western media is now reporting it, so safe to say the whole thing is over https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/06/24/world/russia-ukraine-news
- the linked tweet is some scary rhetoric too.
  Ukraine will definitely be able to protect Europe from any Russian forces, and it doesn't matter who commands them. We will protect. The security of Europe's eastern flank depends only on our defense.
  Ukrainian soldiers, Ukrainian guns, Ukrainian tanks, Ukrainian missiles are all that protect Europe from such marches as we see today on Russian territory. And when we ask to give us the F-16 fighters or the ATACMS, we're enhancing our common defense. Real defense.
  We went from "Europe will protect Ukraine" to "Ukraine will protect Europe" really quick didn't we? Are Ukrainians now aware that they're just dying to maintain an union they're not part of? Can't the all-mighty Europeans protect themselves anymore?
  
  Sounds awfully similar to polish messianism. Costed us millions of lives too.
  
  So we went from "Biden defeated Russia without even trying!" to "Ukraine must defend Europe from Russia at all costs" in like 3 hours lol
  
  From comments below: "Anybody who doesn’t support Ukraine needs to be arrested for treason, enough is enough."
  Nice.

Liberals devastated they can't cheer for the man with swastika tattoos now
- It hasn't been a full day and this aged like milk 😂 https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2023/06/russia-civil-war-wagner-putin-coup/674517/
  
  Of course its Anne Applebaum, that fucking demon
  
  Oof! That’s not even like a time capsule moment(prime example of Time Capsule moment is when in Rambo 4 they had the Pro-Muhahadeen thing) this is like a hourglass moment
  
  Lololol
- they can’t cheer for the man with swastika tattoos now
  Why, did Ukraine surrender? XD

W for Belarus, maybe? Have to wait and see I guess..
I'm very curious about what was "negotiated". Allegedly Prigozhin wants the war to end, right?
- Yeah, I'm curious as well.
- I'm guessing Prigozhin just gets some more money and he'll get away without severe charges.
- Can't mess with big bad Belarus
  
  🇧🇾❤️
  
  Спасибо Батя
- Allegedly Prigozhin wants the war to end, right?
  In a rather specific way, yeah. In a "let's go back to the way things were" way. Which is a no-go.

Okay, but seriously, someone needs to do something about Prigozhin. The guy has been out of control pretty much since February -- anyone remember that disrespectful stunt with the bodies of dead servicemen?
- The fact that this was allow to go as far as it did is definitely an embarrassment for Russia. Prigozhin should've been removed from Wagner a long time ago.

Part of me would love for this just to have all been a ploy to fuck with the west. lol.
- It would be absolutely hilarious, but Prigozhin going off the deep end is a much more likely explanation.
- Well, the sanctions were withheld for the Wagner group during the supposed coup, so that could have been a means of transferring wealth to Russia to fight this war, maybe?

b-b-b-but the offensive!

That Wagner leader better have a lot of caffeine. Not gonna be safe for him to sleep at night now...

It's already over in the western media they were saying they were at the gates of Moscow/s
- I love how they were salivating that there would be an actual coup
  
  I wonder how many resources the US wasted rallying it's military to get ready to 'intervene' to protect the righteous coup-ers. Or do you think they're more level-headed than that in the high command?

I just want to hear more about the terms of tue agreement
- Yeah, I'm curious as well, I'm sure we'll find out more in the coming weeks.
  
  Prigozhin will be forced to cede Wagner Group, but as compensation gets to open a restaurant chain in Belarus called McTraitor's (home of the Gorbachev Burger and the Eggs Benedict Arnold).

Aaaand that's why I don't comment on these things as they break. I shit you not, some people over here were "expecting"(as if they had the info for a half decent analysis) a civil war...
- Exactly, I was pretty sure this would turn into a nothingburger, but I was like you know I'll wait a day in case I'm completely misreading the situation. Apparently, a whole bunch of US "journalists" didn't have this much restraint.
  
  I don't think restraint was a factor at all. It's more likely they were tripping over themselves to write about China collapsing in the next 4 days. Wait...

I figured this was some sort of show for more money, like a construction contractor rounding up the crew and showing up at the boss' house at 3am because they aren't paying enough and pissed everyone off.

Пригожин (Prigozhin) said that they would return to the front after completing their goal
- He remembered he had left his oven on at home, hadn't he?
- And what is that goal? Genuine question. Is it the war or overthrowing Putin?
  
  His goal is to overthrow the Russian Ministry of Defense afaik

I would rather not make any predictions as to what happens with Prigozhin, I’d love any opinions but I really can’t tell what will happen
- RT article I just read said he’s going to leave the country, specifically to Belarus. Beyond that, no clue.
  
  Probably just a peaceful exile.
  Just looking at the sequence of events, it really looks like he seriously overestimated how much support he'd have. No one outside Wagner supported him, but once you cross the Rubicon there's no going back. His choices were surrender and get hanged for treason, or die fighting - he knew he was fucked but had no exit.
  Putin didn't have any options either except to respond with zero tolerance for treason - any other response massively undermines his legitimacy. He couldn't be the one to tell Prig that he could leave with his life if he stopped, but Lukashenko could 'broker' that kind of agreement without making the Russian government look weak. So Putin makes that call to Minsk and then suddenly Lukashenko's offering that way out.
  And thing is, it's probably fine to leave Prigoshin alone. The man shot his shot and left with his tail between his legs. He's lost all credibility with his power base, broke the trust of the Wagner mercs that were loyal to Russia and failed the ones that were loyal to him.

Over or just postponed?
- I don't think anything is going to happen at this point. If anything, this demonstrated that pretty much everyone is behind the government.
  
  How do you figure that? Wagner faced little to no resistance all the way up, they even had local police joining their convoy. Then, it took negotiations with Belarus to get them to stop. How does that show support for Putin's government?
  To me, it sounds like Wagner didn't really want to shed Russian blood, they simply wanted guarantees of support in the form of supplies and ammunition. They apparently got what they wanted from their talks with the Belarusian President. However, that doesn't change the fact that many people outside of Moscow were willing to either stand by and let pass or stand with Wagner.
  
  @TWeaK@lemm.ee at it again. Why do we have to have such people here if all they gonna do is propel their own shitty liberal shit all over the discussions? We are not lemmy but lemmygrad for a reason.

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