Mastodon’s founder cedes control, refuses to become next Musk or Zuckerberg

While this is a good move, I don't think John Mastodon was making anywhere near the kind of money to turn into the next Musk or Zuck to begin with.

I have recently been using it more to connect with others on a new subject, but now for the first time ever on the internet since early 00's, we are all owners of it ourselves. All the great new stuff was always owned by others and frankly I'm sick of it.

I never even liked twitter. Then I followed #nature and #bloomscrolling on mastodon for a while and my home feed was a feast of beautiful pics. So now there's one use for me for microblogging. Neat! Mastodon does what it says it does and even offers 'default' instances. I'd love for some GO's to help reach that donation goal quicker, so we can all get with the program and ditch corpo social media. -Why doesn't my library host it's own peertube?? #MakeLibrariesGreatAgain

Why is there this very loud chorus of people touting bluesky as alternative to twitter instead of the far superior Mastodon?

Bluesky you are basically swapping a tyrant against a benevolent dictator, that dictator can become corrupted or sell bluesky to Musk Elon later on.... That is not a solution that is more like procrastination.

Even having ceded control, they will go down in history as a legend. More positively viewed then the likes of... other social media founders.

Copy-pasting a comment from Aurich (Ars Staffer):

I set up the Ars Mastodon instance, and speaking as a relatively educated and technically savvy person I found it extremely confusing. And the more I learned later the more I don't feel remotely bad about being confused, it's honestly pretty messy.

I put Ars on the main instance, and I think it was the right call. We're not going to maintain our own, at least at this time, and trusting a random instance that's very difficult to vet is kinda sketchy.

We ran a guest editorial a while back that I think really clearly outlines the various issues:

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/06/op-ed-why-the-great-twittermigration-didnt-quite-pan-out/

But you know, it's really okay. It doesn't have to be big, or popular or mainstream. As long as it survives and people like it? That's good enough.

I think going into an era of balkanization of social isn't the worst thing.

One of my complaints with Mastodon and similars is that you can't search only for posts of a specific instance, or temporarily mute a single instance from your feed. There's also some sort of "invisible wall" for Pleroma users (niche of a niche), as their public posts simply don't show up in public Mastodon searches, though I don't know whether that's a problem with Mastodon or Pleroma.

What does ceding control even mean? Mastodon, just like Lemmy, is federated - each instance has its own governance. It was never controlled by a single person to begin with.

He can cede control of the GitHub repository, I guess, but:

1. That's giving the controls to the contributors, not the users.
2. The article does not even hint at the existence of source code, and the announcement itself doesn't talk about changes in that aspect either, so I don't think that's what's happening here.

I'm not sure what the practicals of doing something like this will be, but it speaks a lot to who Eugen Rochko is.

He might also be an obtuse dick. I've gotten that vibe too. Still, good for him.

152k to 1.5 milhouse is definitely an astronomical increase. Where does that number come from? For that matter...has he been funding all of this on his own up until this point?

Like it, like Bluesky too, uninstall Twitter after using these apps for several days.

Reject any app that has an forced automated recommendation system

The Internet needs fewer Stalins and Hitlers and more George Washingtons.

We should not expect greatness from the men who create these corporations, they are not great men, they are not even good or especially intelligent men. They fell into their position by luck, the one in a million triers for whom circumstance clicked into position. The only thing that sets them apart and perhaps accounts for their success is how they are so consistently open to sycophancy and manipulation by the pack of cold and savage business graduates that flock to any form of success. When a person is against type, as seemingly is the case here, they stand out and just once in a while are capable of real greatness.

I'm amazed, he actually stopped corruption before it started

I heard of Mastodon a couple of years ago. I was still on Twitter and Facebook. I am not really tech savvy, so I didn't bother to go over to Mastodon. It was until just recent, I thought I would give it a try.

Long story short, I am on Mastodon, and I decided to ditch both Twitter and Facebook. Because, I like the layout and the format much better than the two. I even joined Friendica (open source platform like Facebook). So, as I started getting used to these open source social media platforms. They are much better and I would support Mastodon with some donations from time to time.

I mean, why pay $8 to Elon Musk, when you can do pretty much the same things on Mastodon? I wasn't going to throw in my 8 bucks just to get a stupid tweetdeck. Mastodon has its own deck, and it's totally free!

I am still investigating other various social media (open source) sites. I may even join Pixelfeed (alternative to Instagram).

I know you have to make money....but for a guy like Elon Musk, who owns Tesla, Space X, and a few others...why does he really need to charge people money to use his platform? I mean, I know he can do whatever he wants...but he has the money to keep the site going...without charging people 8 bucks to get "Premium" service.

The only thing Mastodon doesn't have that X (Formerly Twitter) has, is the fact that you can watch (or upload) live streaming.

Maybe, in the future Mastodon will do that?

The blog discussed progress on a "privacy-respecting search tool" that could be used to explore the entire Fediverse, a collection of independent social media networks that Mastodon connects to. That could make it possible to discover more content without depending on a "For You" algorithm mining user data.

Inshallah. Lack of search is my biggest gripe with Mastodon.

Just like what happened with Ecosia. We need more humble people in the world!

How it started:

"Oh, non-profit tech company! How noble! I trust that!"

How it's going:

I have no interest in these hollow PR dance moves until CEOs are publishing compelling outlines of how they have instituted complex legal frameworks that mean they can't reverse (or others can't reverse) these cynical moves to temporarily sway public sentiment during a building phase without say... Being legally compelled to immediately forfeit all historical stock earned and donate any historical salary and bonus compensation to the Red Cross or children's cancer research. They won't though, at best, this is an option, subject to change at will.

Remember that Zuckerberg initially allowed those tampons in the men's rooms and got a little praise, because some men do have periods and require tampons. They were in little wicker baskets, with the lids propped open on full display as you walked into any of their global offices. Zuckerberg then quietly told them internally to start closing the lids in the basket by default, still there, but closed, and then to place them on a lower shelf out of the way and ultimately, you now see the headlines that he ordered them fully removed performatively.

Declarative statements matter from people with proven, consistent integrity - that trait is inconsistent with anyone who can successfully rise to the level of modern CEO.

Same here. I still try to use it once every day in support but I don't like having such a low limit (or any limit at all, really) on how many characters I'm allowed to use for my posts or response. I am more of a macro-blogger as I tend to be very verbose; especially posting online. I do, however, think it is important to create accounts, use and donate to the project that is mastodon; as they are leading by example in this "New Social" era or movement we are all apart of. It would be a shame that something like this isn't able to continue, let alone expand, because not enough people supported the project -- even though such project is giving the people exactly what they wanted and asked for. Let's all try to show our support behind such a bold and selfless decision.

My issue with mastodon is it’s strayed so much from its vision. I use misskey but there is not a ton of clients for it at the moment.

Can anyone savvy to the nuance here please let me know how this is any different from Altman and ChatGPT?

As o followed along lightly, my read was that they used non-profit foundation structure to win public trust and calm initial opposition to them creating an unethical product that will ultimately destroy us all and then they fired all the people focused on ethics and codified the non-profit status.

Is this meaningfully different, or likely a similar tactic?

uh... ok? So now it'll be controlled by someone who DOES want to be the next Musk or Zuckerberg?

An interesting real time experiment to see how long it takes for stratification caused echo chambers and/or extremists zealots from both ends of the political spectrum to seize control of the platform. Turning the platform into a hellscape of zealots fighting each other for dominance and the eradication of all the others.

Sadly, humans as a rule need adult guidance for polite interactions to prevent violence. The sad part is it has become impossible to pick said adult capable of doing the job. And anyone in their right mind should run from such a job anyway.

Wasn’t this same ceo criticizing Zuckerberg last week for shutting down fact checking?

Getting really mixed signals here. What’s with the back and forth on this guy’s approach to centralized authority?

His grand vision remains to leave Mastodon users in control of the social network, making their own decisions about what content is allowed or what appears in their timelines.

So uh... Mastodon will not have a moderation team?

I mean this makes sense, but how exactly is after-stopping-moderation Meta different then?