California enslaves 400 prisoners to fight wildfires.
California enslaves 400 prisoners to fight wildfires.
www.theguardian.com
‘Essential’: nearly 800 incarcerated firefighters deployed as LA battles wildfires
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Slavery should be abolished.
This shouldn't be a controversial beleif in 2025.
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It is for a lot of people below for some reason.
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There was a proposition to abolish it very recently in California that was rejected by the voters. Commiefornia my balls
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Lmfao at the absolutely classic .world responses in this thread. "Slavery is good actually". You guys play your role too a T.
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The ones in California are probably so glad they just voted in November to keep these prisoners enslaved.
Everyone who voted for that in LA deserves their home to burn, but I feel for all the working class casualties and people who were already homeless.
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Remember, these are the people calling leftists "authoritarians"
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Yikes, seeing people come out of the woodworks to defend slavery...
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Person from Star Trek instance defending slavery is epsecially baffling, could be Gul Dukat alt account.
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… Founders enter the chat …
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Ow wow he guardian using a real headline.
Edit: nevermind OP had to change the propaganda.
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How weird that Elon Musk didn't build a small fire extinguishing submarine.
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Inb4 he calls the firefighters pedophiles
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This is a land grab. Same as Palestine. Same as Hawaii. They stopped the prescribed burns, the cut the fire department. They gave away the citizens water. To top it off insurance was cut.
This was a land grab.
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So I think enslaves is a bit much here.
This is a voluntary program, and I'm not getting the impression it's the do this or we punish you voluntary either.
Meanwhile there are actual prisons that will force labor or severely punish you for refusing. That's enslaved.
It's also possible that the fire fighting is voluntary, but if not this, it would have been other mandatory slave work.
Yes there are slaves in prison, I'm just not entirely sure this specific circumstance is it. They are getting slaves wages though.
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America incarcerates people for a ridiculous time and then lets them 'voluntarily work to shorten their sentence'. It's slavery with a little semantics.
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As long as it's not forced (truly voluntary with no punishment otherwise) it's still not enslaving them.
I'm not saying it's good, but the title has an agenda.
Edit: Actually, the POSTER has the agenda, not the article. OP used the world enslaves. The actual article title is ‘Essential’: nearly 800 incarcerated firefighters deployed as LA battles wildfires. This is why a lot of places have no editorializing the titles rules.
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Wrong. They are slaves under the 13th amendment of the US, which explicitly allows slavery as punishment for a crime. Some more on this:
The US currently operates a system of slave labor camps, including at least 54 prison farms involved in agricultural slave labor. Outside of agricultural slavery, Federal Prison Industries operates a multi-billion dollar industry with ~ 52 prison factories , where prisoners produce furniture, clothing, circuit boards, products for the military, computer aided design services, call center support for private companies. 1, 2, 3
- The US has the highest incarceration rates in the world. Even individual US states outrank all other countries.
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It is slavery, as allowed for under the US constitution: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penal_exception_clause
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Fire camp is a program that most prisoners actually want to get into. They get to learn useful skills, the accommodations are better, and the prisoners there don't want to get removed from the program so they're unlikely to be violent. I have a friend who spent 3 years in that program and he greatly preferred it to the prison he transferred from.
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Tolerable accommodations, learning skills that can be put to use on the outside, and no fear of violence should be some of the basics of a prison system. The fact that our prison system is so fucked that slavery seems like a better deal isn't a credit to slavery, it's evidence of a horrifically broken prison system.
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Our prison system absolutely has some major flaws, but fire camp is what you said, tolerable conditions, the ability to learn job skills and work outside, and learn a skill. You can't guarantee safety from violence among violent people unless they are isolated, and that's a worse punishment than anything. What I'm saying is that your criticisms of the general prison system aren't applicable to fire camp, because it offers the things you mentioned.
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Getting paid 50 cents an hour to get put in a life-threatening situation because the state doesn't want to hire firefighters, and would rather pay its prison population a pittance.
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Always a little disturbing to see these comments. Cause every single time they are made I see phrases like "most prisoners" just straight up acknowledging that it's not all. Hand waving that away. Creepy.
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Not to mention other things like, is it actually true that most prisoners would want to get put in a life threatening situation?
And why are we not acknowledging that the US regime gives prisoners these "choices": go outside and die for the state, work on our prison farms, get contracted out to private companies, or stare at a wall in a cell. Truly an evil empire that should not be apologized for.
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'The slaves that joined the gladiator arena to fight for their freedom actually WANT to be there dont you understand?, They give the gladiators valuable skills, nicer jail cells. I had a friend that spent 3 years as a gladiator and he actually preferred it to being a slave'
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