mastodon.art defederating calckey firefish social. Cites behavior of lead project dev

I thought the whole based/cringe thing was just zoomer slang?

Half the people I’ve met who use the word ‘based’ have nothing to do with 4chan, they’re just young. The first time I heard it was in reference to Mark Bunker during the Scientology protests in 08. Which, while certainly connected to 4chan, I don’t think can really be cast in the same light as all the Gamergate crap and everything that came after.

Also probably important to note that even being connected to 4chan isn't always a bad thing. The web (particularly youtubers) have made 4chan as a whole to be some boogeyman website full of hackers and nazis, but it's a loosely connected web of forums (known as boards), many of which don't have anything to do with another apart from being anonymous. It's kind of like lemmy in that regard. I've browsed it in my time, and while it is definitely quite a toxic site, most if not all the toxicity originates from a select dozen-or-so boards, and only 3 or 4 of them are even popular (b, pol, r9k, x). Hell, if you go right now to /a/, you'll probably just see a bunch of weebs discussing anime like any other forum.

note: this isn't to say 4chan is safe like beehaw. The whole culture of the site is very archaic and a lot of people on there are still there saying slurs and being generally offensive, but when you stay away from hellholes like /b/ or /pol/, I've seen worse on reddit.

If some stranger on the street told me they used 4chan, without specifying what board, I mean I might be suspicious of which boards they're using (depending on context clues) but it's not a buzzword that translates to "white supremacist"

I almost thought I had written your comment and completely forgot about it. No, I just almost made the exact comment and want that hour of my life back.

If there was some over the top racist rant, I sure didn't see it. And the admin pushing for the defederation sounds so bizarre. Bizarre is the best word I could come up with because "petty" makes me think it was like high school politics. This is closer to a grade school sandbox argument.

The worst I saw was "defedfags" and it was used in a way that was meant to highlight how they never said anything offensive. Like saying, "If you thought what I said before was offensive, let's see how you respond to something intended to be negative."

The crazy thing is that the decision is being made because the admin just liked a post. It's not even because of the post content - which has nothing controversial and appeared maybe 8 times in my Lemmy/kbin feed yesterday.

Editing to add that this is the article: https://kbin.social/search?q=wakeup+call

Something I haven't seen mentioned is that ubuntubuzz.com is about the Linux distro, and it's the first hit for "Ubuntu buzz". I'd definitely interpret ubuntu.buzz to be about Linux, at least if I didn't check the about page.

I think it's the admin of mastodon.art the source of almost all the drama. Even the admin of the server where I am had issues with that admin and blocked her.

@donuts I recently had a short conversation with someone from mastodon.art. They denied the GIMP devs an account on their server, because GIMP is a slur word. And they made a public announcement of this fact. Looks like the moderation/administration people are assholes, if they act and communicate like that. This community is new to me and all I know is about this GIMP announcement and this new drama.

I got around 5 links deep for each of the links in the admin's post, and fuck if I know. There was an argumentative user, but they were articulate and thoughtful. Not dropping slurs or wasting space nonsense, but still bordering on "edgy". The person pushing the defederation appeared to be bullying them and on a power trip.

It was embarrassing. That's all I took away. (My opinion can change if someone digs through the shitpiles of nothingness to pull up some actual naughty posts, but that's not going to be me.)

Irrational people behaving irrationally.

what was wrong in boosting that post? was that article bad or something?

I would also like to know.

I'm willing to go out on a limb and include furry instances provided there's enough of a sfw community since a lot of my art could be considered that, but I'd prefer a decently active general art community if possible.

This is why I prefer using my own instance- I don't want these federation choices made for me by people like this.

To me it looks like fragile egos are all around, and somehow get “offended” when defederation happens.

i would imagine most people's issue here is this seems to be more "extremely petty schoolhouse drama" than "actual thing worth defederating over", especially when mastodon has better and more granular defederation tools at its disposal than lemmy or calckey

How are people starting drama over a FOSS program that has been around for 25 years? Gimp is free, open-source, and good software. People starting drama over that are looking for trouble.

I'm personally a bit upset because, as a user on firefish.social, I am getting punished for doing nothing wrong. Now I won't be able to interact with mastodon.art users, for what? I spent a bit of time digging, and the evidence this is all based on is weak at best. A person trolled (not even clearly in a racist way, sorry), and the Firefish dev/firefish.social admin happened to boost a news article posted by the once-troll, and now all the rest of the users of the Firefish instance are defederated? What kind of logic is that? It absolutely is offensive.

Plus, how she went about it is just wrong. Rather than reaching out to the Firefish dev, she publicly shames him and announces the defederation. The result was so much drama.

Look, sure, the .art admin can run their instance how they want, and they're absolutely free to go about that in a way that offends people, but don't tell me I can't or shouldn't be offended.

It's not an issue, it's an intentional and important feature.

Don't want to be defederated? Don't let chuds and bigots on your instance. It's pretty simple.

Defederation is an important tool to protect communities. It helps prevent the Fediverse from being overrun with bad actors.

Defederation is a feature, not an issue. Bigots, racists, etc can be confined to servers that allow that behaviour without polluting friendly servers with their content.

I do think defederation is an important tool for the many pedophile, harassment or extremism oriented instances there are because of the fediverse’s decentralized nature. But it is an extreme action, and I don’t see it as a good immediate recourse when there’s issues with an admin or some users.

How is it an issue to be faced? It's an advantage of how the fediverse is built.

This is what kept me off fediverse for a while. Reading about another incident like this.

If your admins are adults about things and don't overreact to every little thing, then that's great. But sadly not everyone is mature like that.