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Remember: the SUX 3141 Ti is 60% slower than the SUX 3141 Xt. because it's 5 years older and has no components in common.

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Thousand times this. For actual builders that care about the nuance it all probably makes sense but then there is me over here looking at pre-builts wondering why the fuck are two seemingly identical machines have a $500 difference between them.
I'm spending so much time pouring through spec sheets to find "oh the non-z version discombobulator means this cheaper one is gonna be trash in three years when I can afford to upgrade to a 6megadong tri-actor unit".
I'm in this weird state of to cheap to buy a Mac and can't be arsed to build my own.
- Yeah, and when you check the detail pages of the games and other software you are upgrading it for it'll turn out the 6 megadong tri-actor unit should work well in general, but there's a certain crashing bug near the end of this game I already bought that the devs haven't patched yet...
  And even after all those considerations modded Minecraft will be just about functional.

Just go here and check the charts for the kind of work you want the PC to do. If one looks promising you can check specific reviews on YouTube.
For gaming the absolute best cpu/gpu combo currently is the 9800x3d and a rtx 4090, if you don't have a budget.
Yes the part naming is confusing but it's intentional.
- Gamer's Nexus
- It's funny that you wrote the wrong GPU name while agreeing that the naming is confusing.
- R*TX 4090
- Yes the part naming is confusing but it's intentional
  Yes, that's what people are upset about.

For very broad definitions of “convention”

Just don't rent one from NZXT.
- I saw a video on Gamers Nexus about how shitty a company they are. Hopefully word spreads amongst gamers & builders that they're no good and they should be avoided.
  
  What's the deal with them? Only NZXT component i've had is my current case, which has awful airflow (old model of H710 I think, bought 5 ish years ago).
- If you are blindly renting things without doing numbers you have bigger issues.
  Always read and do long term calculations
  
  Problem is that a lot of "influencers" advertise it to teens as an easy way to get a new computer.

I recently had to go through this maze. I hate it. And I'm glad that my PCs tend to live ~10y, this means that I'm not doing it again in the foreseeable future.

Meanwhile the data i care about, efficiency, is not readily availlable. I'm not gonna put a 350 watt GPU in the 10 liter case if i can have the same power for 250 watt.
At least TomsHardware now includes efficiency in tests for newer cards.
- GamersNexus has start add efficiency score in frame / joule. Also have full writeup of video on website.
- Tell me about it. The numbers that I'm interested in - "decibels under full load", "temperature at full load" - might as well not exist. Will I be able to hear myself think when I'm using this component for work? Will this GPU cook all of my hard drives, or can it vent the heat out the back sufficiently?
  
  I wish this was data was more available. I got a GPU upgrade 6800xt and it's so loud. I can't enjoy sitting at my desk without hearing a loud whine and a bunch of other annoying noises. Its probably because the card is 2nd hand but still.
  
  Temperature is meaningless unless you want oc headroom. A watt into your room is the same no matter the temp the part runs at.

60% or 60 percentage points ?
- This is why I love Lemmy (it's a reference to another thread btw)
  
  That post is older than Lemmy
- Wouldn't that be the same thing with no other percentages in sight because we're subtracting from 100%?
  
  I have no idea, that was just a tongue in cheikh reference to that other thread

Fortunately there are resources that make a good starting point because I agree; naming schemes are a shit show. I generally start with this and go from there research wise. https://www.logicalincrements.com/
- I'd be very careful relying on that site.. just flipped through some of the build and it was very strange.
  E.g. they were recommending a $500 or $900 CASE at the highest tiers - not even good cases, you can get something less than half the price with better performance. They recommended a single pcie 4.0 SSD and a SPINNING HARD DRIVE for a motherboard with pcie 5.0 m2 slots. Recommending CPU coolers that are far, far in excess of requirements (a 3x140mm radiator for a 100W chip? Nonsense). Memory recommendations for AMD builds are also sus - DDR5 6000 CL30 is what those cups do best with, they were recommending DDR5600 CL32 kits for no reason.
  Just strange.. makes me question the rest of their recommendations.
  
  Mind you, recommending a PCIe 4.0 SSD is the one part that makes sense. Right now very few people will gain noticeable benefits from a PCIe 5.0 SSD, AFAIK. The rest though... yikes.
- ...I just the other day ordered all the components to make the first "Extremist" tier build, nearly verbatim.
  I guess I made some of the right choices, then.

Power consumption is part of the equation now too. You'll often see newer generation hardware that has comparable performance to a last gen model but is a lot more power efficient.
- Or you'll see something equally efficient and equally performing at the same power levels..except you'll see newer gens or upgraded skus allowed to pull more power

Just buy AMD 😜
- Honestly my preferred manufacturer since I started putting together my own machines.
- Make sure to get your 5900x3d with your 7900XTX. Note that one is a CPU and the other is a GPU. For extra fun, their numbers should eventually overlap given their respective incrementation schemes. The 5900x3d is the successor to the 5900xd, which is a major step down in performance even though it has more cores.
  I'm gonna give this award to Intel, which has increased the numbers on their CPU line by 1000 every generation since before the 2008 housing crash.
  
  It's so annoying when you buy a GPU instead of a CPU.
  
  They already do overlap, 7000 series CPUs have been out for a while. As have the 5000 series GPUs.
  
  ...don't worry, I'm sure Intel won't change things up on us... right? (Just pretend the last year of Intel CPUs didn't happen)
  
  I assume you haven't seen the latest series of processors from Intel...
- You still need to understand their naming convention if you plan on comparing hardware.
  
  The only thing you should realistic understand from the naming conventions is relative generations and which bracket of price/performance the part targets. Assuming more than that is just a mistake.
  
  Is it not still "higher better" at AMD? With the obvious X or "m", but usually price reflects the specs when the numbers are the same.
- Just ordered another CPU from them. Downside is that there isn't any modern AMD desktop platform that works with coreboot, which seems to be the only workable way to deactivate the Management Engine/Platform Security Processor after boot.
  Was really considering to swap to Intel for that, but got a good deal on a Ryzen 9 that fits in my socket, so...
  
  Is there anything from the last 10 years that runs coreboot?
- AMD is one of the worst with naming
  
  They had at least two or three halfway sensible naming schemes, which they then proceeded to abandon after like one generation.
  I fault marketing department at the chipmakers that are trying to somehow justify their existence.
  
  Explain yourself.

I occasionally "refresh" my PC with new board, CPU etc. I never buy the top of the line stuff and quite honestly there is little reason to. Games are designed to play perfectly well on mid range computers even if you have to turn off some graphics option that enables some slight improvement in the image quality.
- I agree. Another good trick: Don't buy a 4K screen. GPU's work for much longer that way.
  
  For many games you can set graphics rendering to for example 1080p but run the whole game in 4k so text, menues and so on are super crisp but the game still runs very light. But maybe it's good advice to never even start because I can't imagine going back to 1080p after using 2k and 4k screens

I always go by the rule of the larger the number/more letters the better. The exception being M that usually means it's made for mobile devices.
- i'll trade you my geforce 9500 for your 4090.
  
  Ok maybe also look at the year the card was released too.
  
  how about my geforce 9500 for your vega 64?
- The other exception being monitors, which are named by connecting three keyboards to one computer and then rolling a bowling ball across all three.
  
  No one really knows how that method was established, but it's industry standard now.
- They know people like you are the majority, that's why, specially when it comes to low-end hardware, they up the price while selling you the same or worse performance just because the part is newer.

I just go by PassMarks rating for CPU and GPU. It may not be the most nuanced rating, but it does give numbers that can be easily compared.

And it sucks! Sorry, I mean it SUX.

They periodically run out of integers so they have to reuse old ones.

I'm going to buy an entry level motherboard ...

Intel used to have decent naming...

This is what keeps me from being a pc gamer.
- i mean dumb naming schemes isn't just a PC thing. Remember how the Xbox 360 is 359 faster than the Xbox One
  
  Don't buy the Xbox One X, that's old, you need the Xbox Series X ffs so obvious!
  
  USB 3.2 gen 1
- I just have a conversation with someone at microcenter and double check what’s said. Is there a chance I’m getting scammed? Yeah, but I keep getting pretty good machines for the price/effort.

Naming conventions are somewhat consistent; it's the pricing that has gotten a bit out of hand.
- Is 5090 the model number or price?
  
  Yes.

Yeah now I start to understand why people go mad over nvidias pricing I mean the 4090 costs like what 1500, 2000 bucks? Meanwhile the 6100 cheaper than the shipping cost y'all're getting ripped off —shitpost

I actually have to build a new computer (edit changed it from previous word used lol) ... The last time I had built mine was in 2013 with an Asus i7which lasted quite a while until the whole Windows 11....non compatibility.....
Now to look at socket type and see if my. Old casing can take it and yada yada ....
I don't want to go the laptop route since I still prefer desktop for gaming than laptops....
- Holy shit How do you build a CPU
  
  a beach, a plasma torch, and a very steady hand
  
  I look at everything that will be necessary for a new build since I already have a computer so... If I don't have to get a new case, great, if an adapter on my Fan can be fitted for the the new socket type... Great
  
  either on a breadboard or in cooperation with a silicon chip factory and risc-v authorities
  
  Lol what was weird with what I said?

https://www.userbenchmark.com/ is what I use
- userbenchmark is a biased site(anti AMD) soo much that it's actually banned from /r/Intel. Absolutely do NOT use userbenchmark
  
  userbenchmark is a biased site(anti AMD) soo much that it's actually banned from /r/Intel.
  "I love youuuuu so muchh😍"
  "GET THE FUCK AWAY FROM ME!"
- They fudge their criteria to make intel look good and AMD bad. Do not use this.
- Userbenchmark is a terrible site. Its a shame it shows up first in the search results.

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