4w ago

"The Most open Operating System"

I literally cannot think of a better punchline

Edit: See it for yourself

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The most open ports
The most open CVEs
The most open complaint threads
Windows 🥇
- Open to malicious actors, because of all the bugs.
  
  because of all the opens.
  ftfy
- Linux has way more CVEs: https://lore.kernel.org/linux-cve-announce/
  (Partially because they don't respect CVEs and assign CVEs to everything)
  
  Measuring number of CVEs is not a great metric anyway.
  Linux is open source, so people can find more things wrong with it and fix it.
  It just means that Linux users and developers are more diligent in finding and removing vulnerabilities.
  
  I think it's more because companies don't usually run Windows on their servers. Like, internal domain servers, sure, but their actual services run on Linux, in almost every case.

unfucking believable... they are saying the quiet part out lout now
the least private operating system
- Embrace, extend, and extinguish. They literally documented it as being their strategy. Now the justice department is chasing Google who despite being bad, at least provides enough source code where people have created privacy-focused derivatives of Android. I'd much rather see them go after Microsoft first but the government relies on Microsoft, and Microsoft relies on our tax dollars going to the government so they can get them.
  
  Kill Google, kill Apple, kill Meta, kill Amazon. I'm not sure whether killing Apple is necessary - despite their problems, they at least have an honest business model (of profiting off a cult). I think yes, split them too.
  
  I don't really understand how Embrace, Extend, Extinguish is relevant to this, would you mind explaining?

removed I can't even find basic settings cuz they are so hidden in sub menus
I'm no programmer or UX designer but I can imagine what a mess things are on the dev side
- As an admin it gets so much worse. Twice a year your admin portal gets renamed, redesigned, merged with and/or split from another one, or removed, and all those changes are done halfway.
  Which means some settings are only on the old version and others only on the new. Then the old one is discontinued even though the new one doesn't have all its functions, yet.
  So you completely rely on Powershell. But wait, there's 2 incompatible versions of it now.
  I'm currently thinking about a career change, after reading in Microsoft's official documentation that you need to install the new version of Powershell, import the beta version of several commandlets and then run a long script provided by them, only to keep every user on your org from creating their own Teams teams.
  And their newest feature is allowing every user to put in their credit card info and buy MS products on the company domain without running it by IT. It's called "self service", enabled by default, and you have to click on a slider to disable it individually for every. single. product. Microsoft. offers.
  
  Jesus Christ.
  I've been doing linux admin and honestly I haven't been looking back. My breaking point was Microsoft pushing a kb that rebooted domain controllers for no reason.
  
  And their newest feature is allowing every user to put in their credit card info and buy MS products on the company domain without running it by IT. It’s called “self service”, enabled by default, and you have to click on a slider to disable it individually for every. single. product. Microsoft. offers.
  LMAO that is a special kind of pathetic
  
  What the hell‽ Also who would buy Microsoft products for work with their own card‽

When one backdoor closes, three more open.

The goatse OS, if you will
- Shit, I came here to say the same.
  Your computer: a yawning maw
  We: watch
- I did not need that image in my head right now
  
  What about later? Around noon, maybe 1 in the afternoon?

most open to user privacy violations?
- Most open for frustration. Most open for ads. Most open for taking away control from the user.
  Trust me, in a few years windows will be a monthly subscription, still filled with ads and no control over your own pc. Windows 10 will turn to a yearly subscription already. 30 dollars per year per pc for security updates. Office is already subscription based. Companies smell money, want to turn everything to a subscription.
  
  Windows 360¹ will cost 30 bucks a year (adjusted for inflation) and will automatically upgrade you to the latest version of Windows as soon as it comes out. Additional benefits include improved security by blocking non-Store software and having your OS settings managed by Microsoft – Windows 360 will even automatically restore them if they should end up getting changed, e.g. if Recall somehow ends up disabled.
  ¹ Not to be confused with Windows 365, which is an entirely different thing.
  
  I doubt microsoft will force consumers to pay, but that could happen to business.
  edit: italics instead of bold.
- They are as open as OpenAI

Didn't they call it "the most secure" a while ago?
Why are they allowed to openly lie?
- In the case of marketing, it's just considered an opinion, mostly because if anything like that is ever put forth to a Judge, there's 900 odd ways to loophole it.
  "We meant our assholes, your honor; as open as they come."
  "We meant uhm... accepting."
  
  It could be called puffery. A claim so ridiculous that no reasonable person would consider it a claim
- A probably a bit political for this topic, but most companies are allowed to lie about most things. Only a few things that they're not allowed to lie about.
  
  and for those few things they're not allowed to lie about they pull out every trick in the book to come as close to lying as possible without outright doing it.
  
  And even when they are not on paper, they are in fact.
- Their official marketing is to call Windows 11 "the most secure version of Windows ever" or something along those lines. They definitely use "the most secure" in their marketing, but I think they do it in a way where it is only in reference to previous consumer versions of Windows if you actually parse out what is being said.
- Because there are no consequences for them
- Right after that slide the guy is talking about how Microsoft is "committed to remaining the most reliable and secure platform"...
  Yeah they're all full of shit

Open? Sure, definitely open.... To vulnerabilities
- Open windows with no screens to keep the bugs out.

Open to what exactly..?
OPEN TO WHAT!?
- Open to advertisers
- Infection, zero days, and data collection. TOTALLY open to those.
- Everyone but the user.
- Open to data collection opportunities
- They're probably talking about their customers opening their wallets
  
  Nice profile picture!
- Open to the outdoors, to let the fresh air in.
  
  That's how you cool down the modern cpu.
- Our collective anuses.
- What they actually say in the video is that they are open to developers making software for their platform.
  They pretend like they are the nice people, by providing decent development tools, with which to create.
- As someone who switched to Mac in 2007… viruses!

All users activity open for us to scrape! Recall™
The most open operating system!
Microsoft: Fuck your privacy!©
- Want to Recall™ that specific porn your neighbour was watching yesterday?
  Subscribe to Recall Premium & watch the recording of their screen now!
  \ (Or Recall Premium+ to get fewer ads)
- So that's why it says 'get your ass to Mars'...

Sometimes the elites poke fun at us with obviously untrue, absurd statements. It's the equivalent of grabbing someone's fist, pushing it in their face, and saying "stop punching yourself".
- Them corporate elites really love tongue-in-cheek backhanded statements such as that.

most open to what? mostopentowhat?!
- Most open to "enhancing your operating system experience with special offers and promotional materials"!
- Viruses? Malware? Hackers?
- Mostopentowatch

[Citation needed]

Most open to making money at the expense of security.
"“What they were telling me was counterintuitive to everything I’d heard at Microsoft about ‘customer first,’” Harris said. “Now they’re telling me it’s not ‘customer first,’ it’s actually ‘business first.’”
DiCola, Harris’ then-supervisor, told ProPublica the race to dominate the market for new and high-growth areas like the cloud drove the decisions of Microsoft’s product teams. “That is always like, ‘Do whatever it frickin’ takes to win because you have to win.’ Because if you don’t win, it’s much harder to win it back in the future. Customers tend to buy that product forever.”
- Who in their right mind would ever think that any publicly traded company is consumer first? Their only goals are short term profit followed long term profits. Everything else is in pursuit of those two things.
  
  Exactly zero fucks are given about long term profit.
  If any company cared about long term profit they wouldn't be destroying the ecosystem.
- enshitification cycle: First good for customers, then they abuse their customers in favour of their business customers, then they abuse those businesses to claw back everything for themselves.
  They are on step 2.

Without walls, you wouldn't need windows.

So when does the false advertisement lawsuit start?
- They didn't say to whom it was open.
  
  For whom would it be the most open operating system?
  
  Or what, even. Maybe they mean in workplace culture.
- Even if there's a law, they sure have genius lawyers for this purpose.

I had just hit the button on a recording session last night, and a fucking full page "ARE YOU PREPARED FOR THE EOL OF WINDOWS 10!!" (paraphrased) popped up over my DAW. Yeah, I'm prepared alright Microsoft. I've got a flash drive with Linux ready to install if you keep pulling shit like this. It's going to suck because a lot of audio software developers are garbage with Linux support, but if Windows is just as garbage, there's no reason not to migrate.
- Go DAWless. Buy a Synthstrom Deluge for example. Still need a DAW for recording and mastering though :/ I wish there was Ableton for Linux. "-if you keep pulling shit like this" I can tell you without a doubt they are just going to intensify shit like this instead of stopping. I'm thinking of switching my main pc to Linux and use my old win10 pc disconnected for DAW. No viruses and hackers when there's no internet. No Microsoft ads either.
  
  I've got an Oxi One and go "DAWless" occasionally, but I find it very limiting compared to what can be done in a DAW. I just have to hope Reaper works well in Linux. MIDI routing and what-not is pretty fickle with some of my hardware, now. (Not to mention some software that doesn't work at all in Linux, like Korg's dinosaurific software used to edit NTS-3 settings and patches.) It's a bit terrifying to think what's going to happen with an entirely new OS.
  
  If I could make a suggestion, try already swapping to FOSS while ok windows to make the transition to linux easier on yourself. That is what I did, and it did wonders to help me become better acclimated to Linux.
  You could also see if you can run DAW on a VM in Linux or see if your software is supported with WINE. That way you could potentially just run the windows application in Linux without a VM. Most of the time, a "Silver" rating is enough, but a "Gold" rating or above is recommended.
- Reaper is available for Linux. I can't vouch for it as I've not used it on there, but I've used it on Mac and it's great. Generally well regarded and is pretty inexpensive.
  
  Reaper is my DAW of choice, actually. I haven't tried it in Linux, though.
- They're actually trying to force people onto 11 now? That windows partition that never gets booted sounds really close to becoming more storage for a windows-free life
  
  Yeah, it's pretty stupid my machine isn't capable of running 11. It's a fairly modern machine. AMD 5600X, RTX 3080. 32gb of RAM. I guess it might just be some bios setting I'd need to change to make it compatible, but I have heard precisely nothing about 11 that makes me want to actually do that. Hopefully Microsoft will follow their trend and 12 will actually be good. I doubt it, though.
  
  Mine went bye-bye a while ago.
  I initially installed linux on an additional smaller ssd. I recently set out to swap that setup around, so that windows gets to be on the smaller drive.
  Except that after moving Endeavour to the big ssd... I just didn't bother with setting up windows again. Haven't needed it yet.
- For audio specifically you might find FreeBSD easier to set up. As a DAW, not as a desktop in general.
  ALSA+PulseAudio\Pipewire+JACK are kinda messy compared to newpcm+JACK .
  
  Well, the PC isn't used only as a DAW, so I might still need Linux as opposed to FreeBSD. I've been running some form of Linux for a long time, now. I've never tried FreeBSD. Don't even know what it is, actually.

What happens when you favor marketing over anything else?
You just lie, lie, lie, so many times that you actually believe your own shit

This cannot be real
- It pretty much is
  
  Lol and the context is "What's new in Windows Security". Cannot make this shit up.
- Excuse me while I puke

This just reinforced my will to continue with the linux evangelization.
- Hello friend! Have you heard the Minty News?

We, at least in the US, are living in a "post factual" world. So this makes perfect sense. Like when my kid was small and everytime he thought he "lost" at something he would declare it Opposite Day. Fuck it, why not? M$ being the most open OS makes no sense, so it makes total sense. War is Peace^tm

Windows, now without curtains!

Well Microsoft spies on every user so sure, it's completely open to Microsoft what they do and who they are.

I skipped briefly through the entire video and everything I've heard and seen was absolute bullshit bingo.

Open for exploits and surveillance

In a void, anything can the "The most ____"

Open as in most leaks?

What is this from?
Edit: https://ignite.microsoft.com/en-US/sessions/GS06?source=%2Fhome
Yup actually a thing. Thank you to OP who linked to it in another comment thread
- Alt universe where MS went full fossy, the event focused on rolling release called "Open Windows".
  Their version of the Recall is called "Skylight" and is an extension of their full local AI "Peephole", for which a lot of companies pay specific licencing fees of the input data it is trained on (depending on their needs & quality of selection).
  Their search engine "Periscope" got some heat lately for giving users the option to display sponsored generic links.
  
  OpenWindows is not that. OpenWindows is the best thing ever with OpenLook. I'd really want OpenLook for 64bit Intel
  
  It would be so interesting to see a company thrive, which actually keeps their initial motivations intact.
  Sad to see people fall for the greedy ways of pleasing investors and chasing trends..
  Would be very interesting to have an actual example of a nice megaco (if that is even possible)

Corporations can't live without bullshit, the irony of this shit is next level
- I mean, there are open things about it. As in - TCP/IP is open. APIs to develop Windows programs are open.
  In the same way as Solaris, HP/UX, Digital Unix and something else were open. Except Sun would even send OS sources in addition to documentation to customers interested in optimizing something they'd do, or so I've heard.
  But the "most open" thing looks like 2003 "get the facts" style propaganda, except back then they had technical competencies, now it's purely the oligopoly.
  
  But the “most open” thing looks like 2003 “get the facts” style propaganda, except back then they had technical competencies, now it’s purely the oligopoly.
  Haha, perfect.
  
  Most open though? No.

Wait, this is /c/lemmyshitpost, not /c/linuxsucks.

At least the Aptos default typeset they use is better than Calibri. I hate Calibri but I can't quite articulate why. Maybe because it's the default and I'll hate Aptos eventually too.
- Calibri isn’t strong enough in it’s convictions to be Helvetica. It can’t even offer a fight against the hard utilitarianism of Arial. It’s rounded corners and varying thickness show up terribly on anything but the highest resolution screens, where it still isn’t good, and it makes me feel the same way that CRT monitors did when I put my hand up to them. You know the feeling, that crusty, fuzzy, buzzy feeling that you swear you could taste.
  A nasty font, it can absolutely go fuck itself.
  
  This is absolute poetry
  In the hopes of more of this, what are your thoughts about Inter?
- Aptos kerning is trash in spreadsheets.

Open to everything except the concept of unix.
- Open to everything, except openness

Open to exploitation

Ugh, if most of my shit would actually run on Linux I would've switched years ago...

Guys, come on. They clearly meant it in terms of security.
"Come on in, hackers, we're always open."

A lineage which dates back to at least 1998.

Oral surgeons beg to differ
- Anal surgeons also like to beg and to differ.
  
  Anal surgeons
  ..that's not a thing that exists.. Right? RIGHT?!

You literally cannot come with a better punchline? I generally don't kinkshame but that's a strange one.

The most open os for us to snoop through your shit.

How ironic

whenever someone holds their hands like that when giving a talk, they're trying to feed you a plate of shit
- I disagree. Holding your hands like this is just a good way to not stand still.
  Using this kind of open stance, from my experience, makes presenting easier and makes me more confident.
  But yes, presenting peeps from BigEvilCo make it way worse.