Brave will not add Web Integration support

Try container tabs!

They have separate sessions so you can be logged in to the same site on multiple accounts. This is extreamly useful for stuff like being logged in to github using work account and company account or other sites where you just need many accounts. Aws is another good example.

There is also temporary containers that leave no trace at all.

This, I didn't move from chrome for so long because I had my passwords stored on the google password manager, but then I started using bitwarden and I could move to Edge, and then I found a speed dial extension that could backup every dial and its properties and is available on every browser, so I moved to Firefox and it was so easy and fast. The only thing I miss is being able to make apps or shortcuts from websites that will open on their own fullscreen window, but it is not a big deal.

Yea when I started my Degoogle thing a few months back, I also switched to Firefox and it's been great.

I switched over what probably was a small thing, but is big to me.

I like to have my tabs in a list, and google enforced the grid and kept breaking ways to put it back to list.

Once they blocked me from being able to revert, that was it.

I still use it on my work machine as I find the syncing works beautifully, important as I have need to swap between desktop and laptop occasionally, and there are other desktop features I enjoy.

But as for mobile - I am done.

I adored the fox when I used Mozilla everything back in the day, so it's like coming home.

I switched over what probably was a small thing, but is big to me.

I like to have my tabs in a list, and google enforced the grid and kept breaking ways to put it back to list.

Once they blocked me from being able to revert, that was it.

I still use it on my work machine as I find the syncing works beautifully, important as I have need to swap between desktop and laptop occasionally, and there are other desktop features I enjoy.

But as for mobile - I am done.

I adored the fox when I used Mozilla everything back in the day, so it's like coming home.

The issue is less about which browsers will roll this out and more about which websites will require it. How soon until we can't access banking information? Will filing taxes require this?

Yea, but you can't read news, cause they want to remove scrapers, you can't watch youtube, since they want to block downloaders etc etc. It's a procentage game. If enough of people won't have the DRM enabled, it won't be worth for websites to use it. Not implementing it yet, means that firefox won't be contributing to the amount of users, but if high enough procentage of websites starts using it, firefox will be forced to implement this DRM or they will be killed off by browsers that support all the websites you want to browse.

This just changes the OS chrome on a browser tab right ? I generally dislike electron apps, but when they're literally just a browser tab I'd rather just leave it in the browser.

I would recommend this extension: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/pwas-for-firefox/

It adds support for PWA in Firefox. I use it because Firefox dropped native support for PWA in Firefox.

You can use ferdium for that. I also made a profile, that has hidden all possible buttons and I made links to open website in that cut down profile. You can also use user.js to make it really slick.

NixOS enters the chat.

Already taken by the best packaging format

As long as websites/advertisers see their visitors as using a Chromium based browser they will continue to target for Chromium, regardless of whatever front facing UI is used.

The inherent problem is Google has an outsized voice in Chromium's developmental trajectory, and any major changes to Chromium will have downstream impacts, whether in actual implemented feature sets or forks making continued modifications on top.

The best way to protest is to not use a Chromium browser. Switching from Chrome to another Chromium browser is at best a side grade; everyone using Chromium is subject to Google's whimsy.

Pragmatically it doesn't matter if Microsoft chooses not to implement it; as long as Edge is on Chromium, Google can leverage this to continue to bully the web to their own devices.

Vivaldi is against it. might want to look at it instead of edge, it's extremely customizable. Still chromium based though.

Holy shit that’s evil!

(Predatory loans up to 800+% and they use peoples phone contacts to message their family/friends if they miss payments)

He also had to leave Mozilla in 2014 due to opposition to same-sex marriage.

Have you given Ecosia a shot? I find it better than Brave's search, with the side-effect of not having a shithole CEO.

Came here to say this; this was the main reason I had to switch off of Firefox.

And also you can turn off or disable a lot of the “questionable” content Brave has so it is pretty tame, if not, like Firefox.

Why not stick with Safari with the Adblock extension and all the others that are available?

I like NoScript exactly for the rabbit hole it opens! Now I'm very aware of what scripts are running on which pages! Actively blocking blatant ad scripts & data scraping scripts makes me feel good.

I'm an avid YouTube watcher on Firefox. What does HDR and RTX Video Super Resolution do?

Imagine if everyone started using a browser made by an advertising company, such that they pretty much had complete control of the way we use and view the web.

Hello fellow Firefox lifer. It's been awesome!

Make sure to install plugins like ublock origin. Firefox still supports this and a few other plugins on mobile, like Bitwarden etc.

If only someone would put the Firefox over the earth like the logo, that would be epic.

Don't forget that he inflicted the blight that is JavaScript upon the world.

Brendan Eich who founded Brave was ousted from Mozilla for being a homophobic piece of shit.

He was ousted because he donated 1000$ to a political project that he personally supported, which yes, was banning of homosexual marriage.

I specify that, even if I shouldn't, the project in question is not something I agree with. Yet firing him and continuing to attack him years after (like you're doing here) over opinions he kept personal (he didn't bring it to Mozilla nor did he comment openly about this opinion) is a little shocking to me.

Let's say you personally supported a wildly unpopular, some might call bigoted, societal change, say drug criminalization in states that legalized it. As long as you just not exposed this in your professional life, how would you feel if your work fired you over it and if people kept bashing you (without knowing anything about you) and your future professional endeavors for the rest of your life?

We should probably just chill out on that part.

I only use it for the rare web app where I really don't want the browser ui on pc, any suggestion, preferably before this cryto scam go down? I tried Gnome Web, but on my pc it freeze and crash wherever there is a video on screen.

This is the way.

Amen. I'm just waiting for them to screw everything up and I'll follow along.

t. Currently using Brave

"Just" fork it. Right.

It's a massive undertaking to maintain a fork of something that large and continue pulling in patches of later developments.

Not to say that Brave doesn't have the resources to do so - I really don't know their scale - but this notion of "just fork" gets thrown around a lot with these kinds of scenarios. It's an idealistic view and the noble goal of open source software, but in practical and pragmatic terms it doesn't always win, because it takes time and effort and resources that may not just be available.

What do you mean Brave "can" fork it? It's already a fork.

Brendan Eich is vocally against gay marriage, it's not a secret. Also Brave is fuckin SKETCHY. They've always come up with "creative" ways of making money, sometimes inserting affiliate links into their users' searches, sometimes selling their data, other times getting into weird crypto schemes.

Every time somebody catches them doing something sketchy, they put out a big "OOPS SORRY THAT WAS AN ACCIDENT" statement, and their fanboys just forgive them and act like it's no big deal. Then they troll Reddit (and now Lemmy) blindly repeating how great and privacy-focused Brave is.

The only browser worth your time is Firefox. If you insist on sticking with a Chromium-based browser (which is most of them, including Brave), then Arc is pretty damn cool.

Check the section labeled "Appointment to CEO and resignation" on Eich's Wikipedia entry. He also expressed some COVID doubting nonsense during the pandemic. To my knowledge Brave doesn't have an official stance on any of this, but it's not a good look when the CEO does (or at least, did in the recent past).

With his position back then Brendan could make an impact making the world less hateful place to be yet he chose not to by supporting ban on gay marriage.

After the backlash he stepped down, he started a startup company that make web browser which is now known as Brave (brave choice of name for unapologetic homophobic).

I had no idea, but apparently the co-founder of Mozilla is also the creator of Brave and inventor of Javascript, and was removed from Mozilla after giving $1,000 to support anti-gay-marriage efforts. That's quite a career.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mozilla-ceo-resignation-idUSBREA321Y320140403

Checkout waterfox, no complaints here after like 6 years; they even added a feature I requested within a week of the request.

If by what you mean by Mozilla going downhill is losing marketshare.

1. it's most likely because Google promoting Chrome whenever you visit google.

2. Also add to that bad business decision they have made for example buying Pocket.

3. Those at Mozilla helm i think is always bad. Brendan with his homophobia, Mitchell Baker with her salary rise while firing employees.

The chrome javascript engine? V8 you mean? That's used in Node, it basically powers most, if not all, of the modern web lol

I use iridium as my secondary browser for things that break on firefox !

Well it used to be good, even non techy users knew that IE sucked and when their "computer-whizkid" nephew recommended Chrome it was genuinely faster and leaner than competition. And I've almost forgot the fact that they've advertised chrome (maybe they still do) on the main Google page that gets like billions of pageviews.

Because about 10 years ago, those Safari/IE weren't 1. as smooth/simple as Chrome and 2. everyone on the internet bar the tech nerds were pushing for Chrome. Firefox was viewed in the same light as Linux in my circles.

It was a meme that the only use IE had was to download Chrome. It's not that crazy when you realise the power of word-of-mouth and the meeting the general population's needs for simplicity and google-search integration/features

There are 3 possibilities:

• brave has crypto stuff
• brave is based on chromium
• brave is selling data breaking the licenses

Yes but why is eich saying this? It would be the end of brave surely.

Google needs to be broken up. Honestly most tech companies do as they have consolidated way too much

Google search isn't useless. It's getting worse but still Google is the best search. For a lot of general searches, Duckduckgo and Kagi have been sufficient for me. "What year did WW2 end" "what is the population of Crimea" "north Korean famine 1990s"

But for example I had a picture of a specific motor an employee sent me that I had to find a replacement for online. It's a niche motor we use for a large air compressor. All I had was some model / serial numbers. I tried plugging in different variations of the numbers and "motor" into both Duckduckgo and Kagi with no luck.

On Google, the first result was a PDF of a Honda motor guide that had every single niche Honda motor and I was able to find the model name of the exact motor I needed, which allowed me to find a viable replacement on Ebay.

It hurts me to say it, but the other web searches still haven't reached total parity with Google. I use Duckduckgo as my primary and then when it doesn't find me what I need, I go to Google.

I would use Kagi but after it couldn't find me the engine, I stopped paying my monthly subscription. Until then I was happy with it, but if I'm paying for a service and it isn't any better than the free options..

Yeah reall I have seen people complain about google search followed by them using google. Neeva was a paid search engine that recently shut down. In theor fairwell message they explained getting people to pay for it was easy but the hardest part was explaing how to change search engines or what the difference between search engine and a broswer

If Google wanted to push it with only 5% of their userbase wouldn't they be saying goodbye to 95% of their users. I don't think even Google is that insane.

As @mosiacmango suggested many websites use adsense, it is easy for you to say just dont use them but some of them cant be replaced and dont forget you wont be able to use an alternative frontend. Even if you are not using I believe many of us are using at least some of those services that will implement web integrity or uses google ads

By "does this mean anything" I referred to "Brave does not support web integrity" or else I am well aware of the impact that web integrity will make

Have you used it?

Yes, I used it and switched to Firefox. Brave had just too much of a "HEY IT'S CRYPTO HERE" sort of UI elements to the point that this whole browser seemed like trash to me.

So I just switched to Firefox and been using it for the past ~1 year or so. Also their fiasco with overwritten URLs so they can make money really helped to push me away.

I’m not sure what people are talking about.

To me it's just the principle of the thing. A browser replacing ads with it's own is just... weird. The idea of being paid to be advertised to just makes me feel yuck.

The thing that comes up over and over is that all the weird stuff is opt-in. "It's just like firefox, but it has an opt-in homeless person puncher, just in case you ever want that."

Ordinarily I try to be as "you do you" as I can, but the thing that kinda rubs me the wrong way about Brave is that there's so many people so loyal to what seems to me to be a bit weird.

And that's easy to do right now.

But that's permanent, unfixable, and potentially ever-increasing tech debt they are taking on.

How easy will it be to do when it's an old feature?

75% just being a gatekeeper of browsers

25% because monopolies are bad

thats my best guess at least. It is a legitimate point; it is horrible, cocky phrasing.