It's all tied together

This is messed up. Do they not want trans people to use any bathrooms?

we'll see. Media companies, gas companies and private prisons for sure win here, other corporations may suffer if they enact most of these policies:

Invading cities with the US military will destroy real estate markets. My guess is this is a bluff.

Rounding up immigrants (lets not pretend they'll be checking documents) will destroy agricultural corps and one of the US' largest exports

Tariffs will drastically damage consumer spending and costs for electronics (which will indirectly hike data center costs).

Tax cuts will radically increase inflation again.

Regardless of party! Because we’re such a great country full of decadence that we have not one but two pro capitalist pro imperialism pro forever war parties!

Yes they are and I hate it.

Worse, my high school had no doors on the bathroom stalls at all (at least in the boys' room). I'm guessing it was some sort of "we don't want to catch you masturbating" sort of thing but I would almost always just hold any shitting I had to do in unless I was in drama class because the auditorium had bathrooms with doors.

It varies, sometimes you find places that are designed better than others. I can only assume the two reasons are cost (less material) and easier to mass clean. Not designed for the users.

Anyone being abused in any way in a bathroom by anyone is a crime and should be reported and prosecuted. What you'll find is not what Republicans are trying to sell to get votes. It even falls under the projection label, so the ones calling for action should probably be watched closer for their own actions towards other people.

What if they’re a grower not a shower? How do we sort this out we talking flaccid or erect? Can half these congress critters even get an erection without chemical help?

But if they don't wish me good luck, I don't want to be taking a crap next to them. Sometimes you need that emotional support on the crapper, you know?

There have been gender neutral bathrooms in multiple US states for years now. Find me one single example of what you're describing occurring. This fear you have is founded in nothing but ignorance, xenophobia, and stupidity. It's literally the point of this post. You're no different than the white women in the 50s worrying about black people getting access to their bathrooms and victimizing them somehow.

Im being a huge guy - can go to the women bathroom

OK

People will exploit this.

Do you? Who is currently stopping you?

Why would someone who wants to batter, rape or abuse another person be stopped by an unlocked door with a little cartoon sign on it?

Just a reminder: this shit is being peddled by the same people who call upon cis men to enter women's bathroom to "protect them from predators".

A predator doesn't need to identify as anything to walk into a bathroom. They just need to open the door and walk in.

AND WHY ARE WE STILL TALKING ABOUT THIS? WHAT'S NEXT? MORE LITTER BOX DRAMA?

Once again, a whole ass group of people are being punished for what straight cisgendered men might do.

No one ever gave a shit about men raping women in bathrooms before it became a "Trans" issue.

You want to stop bathroom rapes? Start talking to your male friends about the way they objectify women. Start standing up against "locker room" talk. Call out other men for acting in sexist and predatory ways.

But you won't, because you are a coward. It's just so much easier to talk down to Trans people and make up silly arguments than to stand up against your own people.

Hi, trans person here.

So what gets left out of these arguments a lot or misunderstood about being trans is not that this is a 'belief' based system. We are very individually aware of what we look like to other people and how we are being "clocked" by others. Take me, I am trans masculine but bodywise I have opted not to transition because of specific reasons. I don't automatically feel comfortable using the gent's washroom.

All of us are looking to find the path of least resistance in this binary that wasn't designed for us. Trans women I know who don't seemlessly pass often get stares regardless of what bathroom they use but while women might be horrible, going to the mens means that transphobes can follow you to a secondary location to assault you. If there's an individual third non gendered option that's often what we use because for me, I feel weird about being in women's spaces even if they don't hassle me and my clockable trans grildfriends don't have to deal with the anxiety of other people staring.

If I did go on hrt though it would be a different story. I, like all of us, want to use the option that makes everyone around me the most comfortable and the whole thing pass by without any incident.

Under a system that allows trans people to make the call to use what allows us to make the call about what is safest and the least path of social resistance you really don't find trans people who look like big scruffy men entering women's washrooms and claiming to be a women because that isn't a path of least resistance move. It's not that we "believe" we are our preferred gender and just automatically switch to everything right away. We are very aware that we do not fit in but why we're doing what we are doing is that our brain looks at our natal sex characteristics as abhorrent which means visually speaking we do dress so that other people can pick up on our deal and don't keep reminding us in language.

Non-binary folk are kind of the standouts but generally speaking we make the exact same sort of social risk assessments and do our business in the bathroom that other people tend to clock our gender as, not nessisarily the one we feel closest aligned with.

So really under a situation where bathrooms are a free for all a fully masculine looking and coding person wandering into a women's room not making any attempt to pass IS still a red flag worthy of heightened caution... But if you are in a place where trans men are forced to use a women's room then more than likely that's a person following the law and in following that law is risking getting the security or police called in because they had to pee and then spending the next hour being treated like a sex offender while they have their documents checked all because they weren't permitted to make the bathroom choice of social least resistance for themselves.

Im being a huge guy - can go to the women bathroom if I say I believe I'm a woman

I have news for you, you can just walk into a women's bathroom now if you feel like it.

You never accidentally went into a women's restroom while you were drunk or just had to pee so bad you were worried you'd piss your pants? I have, nobody was in there so I didn't notice until afterwards when I saw no urinals.

This is such a non issue. Also let's take your example and flip it - say you're a trans dude, now you're a man going into the women's restroom because of this bullshit. Like a fully bearded jacked guy being forced to use the women's restroom, that's what this is doing.

Have you seen any bathrooms being guarded by armed security? What makes you think the kind of person who would do something like that for nefarious purposes would just suddenly decide its too risky because some suits said it was a big nono.

It's literally the same energy as "if we made rape illegal nobody would rape anymore!" Except worse because it actively harms innocent people

I didn't down vote you and respect the honest reply.

I am from Europe and here, I am not even aware of any toilet "laws", except: If they offer seats and Tables, they have to provide a toilet.

You can find all the toilet "configurations" within the limits of one city. Simply because the Disabled/Pregnant Bathrooms are now "Diverse/Neutral" too. And small restaurants usually only have one toilet. Some clubs have gender neutral bathrooms which basically eradicated the lines for the women (inside it's very respectful, I mean guys like you/me are there too, some with girlfriend.... a perv/voyeur would not have a good time there).

From my perspective it's a complete non issue, which feels like a waste of thought when compared to my daily challenges.

Edit: Lots of typos...

To what end? To pee? Who cares? Go ahead. When the line's too long at one, people regularly duck into the free restroom in an emergency anyway. If you have to go, just go.

If someone goes into a public restroom with the intention of harming someone inside, it doesn't matter what gender any of them are, or what they look like, or which bathroom it is. None of that matters. Don't go into a bathroom with the intention of harming someone. That's wrong. The end.

I can be a super dirty trucker man

Yes you can!

There is or was a bar and restaurant in Pensacola FL that tricked people into going into the wrong restroom if you weren't paying attention and/or drunk. It was funny and there was no panic or outrage.

I've seen restaurants do the same thing. Nobody looks at anyone twice. It's perfect

Back home we do actually use a "toilet" label for bathrooms with only toilets. Needless to say, my first visit to America made quite a few laughs when I asked where the toilets are so I can wash me hands.

The sinks are a bath if ya try hard enough.

I'm sorry to hear that. Thank you for opening up

Of course, Men are expected to deal with their own issues so being this fragile isn't going to be plastered all over the media.

I like showing people who claim women don't want to change in locker rooms with trans women because it makes them so uncomfortable and that locker rooms should only be for "real" women photos of the most manly-looking, muscle-bound AFAB men I can find and ask them to tell me if they think women would be comfortable changing in front of those men.

I have yet to get a yes.

The answer to "where do they expect trans people to go" is "nowhere. Hide or die."

Transphobia both currently and for basically the last 50 years at least has always been framed and rooted in the idea of protecting women from predatory "men". Trans men have been a footnote, at most and I doubt one becoming prominent will have the impact you expect.

These are the same people who’d say “stop lying, you look too manly to be a trans!!!1!1!!”

AOC put it nicely, the GQP wants to do a genital check on every woman and girl that dares to go into a restroom. Can’t we just make private stalls open to anyone?

Shows who paid attention during school. You can have XY chromosomes and be born with a vagina, no genitalia, or both. You can have XX chromosomes and be born with a penis, no genitalia, or both. So biological women doesn't mean anything in the context they are using it.

Technically, that would depend on what would power the android. An android that gets energy from processing human food would work pretty well and there is sci-fi precedent for it- androids in the Aliens films eat food.

That said, I would hope they would have a more efficient way to get rid of that food waste than humans, so maybe they wouldn't need bathrooms.

The only reason trans rights are a big topic now is because they started losing the war against homosexuality and so they found themselves an easier target instead.

If we are gonna insist people have to be categorized into either biological male or female, a lot of trans women would most reasonably be placed into the female category and a lot of trans men into the male category.

FOREWARNING: highly philosophical bits incoming. Don't read into anything i say too heavily lol.

this was my argument exactly, except a little bit backwards. I think people are in some capacity, a little bit too focused on the physical nature of things, because the physical body is quite literally not the determining factor here. It's also a bit of the paradoxical nature of gender dysphoria.

My argument basically TL;DRs into "trans people are actually physically separated from their birth sex, rather than mentally separated from their physical birth sex"

the only reason the physical body is relevant here is because i consider it similar to other physical deformations. At birth or not, the physical body is not perfect, biology is not perfect, whether or not the physical sex or the neurological sex developed independently of the other is entirely irrelevant to what the actual perceived sex of the individual is. If we're going to take one source as the true source, it's probably not going to be the physical one, for various reasons, it's going to be the neurological one.

The very fact that the existence of this separation causing problems with things like dysphoria, i think demonstrates that it is not the physical concept that matters, it is the neurological one.

TL;DR TL;DR if we're going to adhere to an authoritative source of what determines the gender/neurological sex of an individual, following the neurological path seems like both, the path of least resistance, and most likely functional outcome you could come to. Both because neurology is very confusing and difficult (otherwise this would be a solved problem, one way or the other) and also because the body is inherently imperfect, and relatively trivial to adapt.

I really just don't think there's any legitimacy in the physical body in this context, even though it's a huge pain point, i would argue that's a secondary effect of the neurological function, rather than a primary function of the experience itself. I could theoretically get a full sex reassignment surgery. Which might change my physical appearance, but there's very little that would do for my neurological existence. Therefore, i would argue i am still my original gender, even though my sex has changed. I.E. trans people, are by default the correct gender, their physical sex for whatever reason, is separated from their gender, causing the issue. Therefore you cannot conceptualize this issue as a "mental dysfunction" at all, completely destroying the entire conservative conceptualization of trans people.

I think that's what KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com was trying to say.

The way I see it there are only two realistic outcomes. We either let all women use the women's bathroom (crazy concept) or we have the gender neutral communal bathroom/showers from Starship Troopers.

Bravo

I think my joke was too deep for you, sorry. Thanks for owning it.