"My biggest concern is staying out of war so I voted for the guy I think is Hitler."

Well he speaks English, same as you. I guess you could always meet a conservative and then ask them questions sometime. Might be a mind blowing experience to talk to someone who disagrees with you, and actually listen.

Marx grasped this essence of capitalist democracy splendidly when, in analyzing the experience of the Commune, he said that the oppressed are allowed once every few years to decide which particular representatives of the oppressing class shall represent and repress them in parliament!

https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1917/staterev/ch05.htm

This is some quote from an ancient Greek right? Socrates, Pericles et cetera?

Also a great argument for education reform

Ya, CCCP started it all with Hitler, later on the USA was forced in to the war.

Don't forget.

Edit, to clarify: the USA was forced into the war, later on, they didn't enter voluntarily. The nazis and the soviets kicked off ww2 in 1939. Sorry for the confusion.

Edit again:

Also, misogynist. "I sont agree with his dictatorial views, but at least he's got a dick!"

Bingo. This guy is likely happy about the reports that twice as many black women than white women die in child birth and after RvW those numbers doubled. He's probably happy when he hears about family seperation, people caught in immigration prisons for dozens of years, and on and on.

You mean that, try as you might, you just can’t accept any new information into your worldview?

I desperately, desperately, hoped that Germans, Jews, and especially the few remaining holocaust survivors, could somehow articulate this in a way that would penetrate at some point during the past few years.

Nope. We are literally doomed to repeat it.

Without mentioning the name of the poster, I replied to a comment yesterday that said this:

The only reason I voted for him was because we’re on the brink of WW3 and I thought he was truly the last hope of getting the wars settled. I’m scared, and I’m sorry, but shit is crazy right now. Trump at least has some relations with Russia and North Korea, that could potentially cool the pot. Feel free to tell me why I’m wrong, I’m open to discussion.

He did nothing good for Germany.

He did kill Hitler tho.

I see where you're coming from. Perhaps not as obsessed, but I always had a historical interest in the era until it became an alarming parallel to present day news. Most people do not know much about what went down in the pre-war period. They just have knee-jerk reactions to it. "Traditional values" were trending at the time, Nazism was marketed as the modern, cool choice. Education, administration and even scouting and chess clubs were Nazified at the time. I see it with the freaking MAGA hat everywhere nowadays. I just see it and say, fuck this is some Nazi Germany shit. To me now there are two kinds of people, those who see it, and those who don't. People are so precious thinking that Germans went nuts with the mass murder shit and elected this guy, but themselves have been on the exact same track as Nazi Germany for years: idolizing a dangerous man without ever questioning him. Soon they will have no excuse either, only collective guilt. Some of us won't be here to see it though, for one reason or another. I have pointed this out in my other comment: once fascists get hold of the state apparatus, there is no horror we can put past them.

Yup. I have a similar argument before. If one reads more about Hitler and the Nazis, they are actually not different to any of the standard third world dictators like Idi Amin and Muammar Gaddafi. The difference is that the Nazis were only more powerful because they inherited a working institution-- especially the Prussian-based military-- while third world countries had to start from scratch after decolonisation.

The Nazis like other dictators are very inefficient. I am reading Hannah Arendt's "Eichmann in Jerusalem: A Report on the Banality of Evil". The book goes through the convoluted bureaucracy and logistics of the Holocaust. Different pen pushers and administrators arguing who should be able to use the trains for their own departmental needs. What struck me the most is that the Nazis wasted so much effort transporting so-called undesirables to concentration camps, when their own soldiers are struggling to get supplies and reinforcements to the frontlines!

More importantly, as you correctly mentioned, Nazi Germany struggled to feed their own people. As a matter of fact, there is strong evidence that Hitler started the war in Europe to stave off the looming economic crisis, which his own economic minister warned him of, thanks to endless government spending particularly with the re-armement. That economic crisis had been warded (temporarily of course) by plundering the resources of their conquered territories.

I remember in 2016 thinking how similar Trump was to Hitler and rhetoric and everything. I was written off is basically being nothing but hyperbole and physical form unfortunately I wasn't wrong which sucks

There were over 40 assassination attempts on the shit stain Hitler and all of them were domestic. The Allies fully understood who was responsible for Germany's strategic and tactical failures and they wanted the turd alive until the end. Cadet Bone Spurs will do the same thing to the US military.

I mean it's only because they didn't give him exactly what he wanted and how he wanted it immediately and without any resistance that we got the war. He was the real oppressed one after all /s /s /s /s

Because I cannot emphasis enough that what I said above is sarcasm.

Read!?

Ha!

The thing to keep in mind about idiocy is that idiots make mistakes, a lot. At the same time, those mistakes are usually small-stakes affairs (it's hard to make big mistakes with no money and/or resources) and are usually recoverable. The idea that their mistake could affect so many others simply does not happen, because that's not how things typically work.

Did he not read the part where Hitler genocided Jews, Europeans, and the disabled?

That's the thing though — Hitler didn't run on a platform of genociding people, he ran on a platform of economic improvement. Weimar Germany was economically depressed and many average people and families were suffering from unemployment and financial hardship while the rich were relatively unaffected and enjoying themselves. Hitler promised to change that (and in all fairness, he did). The genociding Jews part came much later.

Hitler was in charge of Germany for 11 years (1934-1945) — the war didn't start until 1938, and the holocaust only began in 1942, so the voters DID end up getting at least 4 years of relative peace and prosperity. Also, keep in mind that Hitler was 45 years old when he became chancellor, meanwhile Trump is 78, meaning even if he manages to finish his second tenure successfully, he'll very likely simply be too old by the end of it in order to continue, which makes it somewhat unlikely that he'll attempt to stage another coup in order to remain dictator for life.

But what if the country needed a change in leadership after recently being fucked up by this hitler guy, eh?

Unless you want to bring about the end of the world. Seriously, that's how at least some of these people think. They want to throw a monkey wrench in the works, because they think they'll be the ones to survive the apocalypse.

And social media feeds.

How much you wanna bet this guy scrolls facebook a ton? Or listens to railing radio/podcasts on drives? This opinion didn't spawn from a vacuum.

They should be following up and asking him where he got those ideas.

France is bacon?

Acting like that would be his first fraud. Or the only fraud in this election. Trump is moving pawns behind every state election, and he has 5 Ace's up his phony sleeve. Its all crooked when Trump is involved

It’s legal in Florida, where Trump voted.

Only if you're black.

Oh, far from it. This is very much the norm in any construction sector. Everyone is dumb as absolute fuck.

Democrats fall apart, Republicans fall in line.

there's a lot of racist and misogynistic democrats

It’s also in line with 2012 and 2016 participation levels for Dems. It seems like the GOP have a reliable voting base while dems need a pandemic or a monumental candidate like Obama to bother showing up to the polls.

On one hand I agree to a certain extent, but aiding in the struggle of oppressed people is a fundamental tenet of internationalism. Our sisters in Iran are suffering under the yoke of militant patriarchal oppression and should they call for arms to defend themselves I see joining or aiding their fight as of similar ethics to the international brigades of the Spanish civil war.

Right slavery is pretty much ≥ genocide

But I’ve heard this take before (well, except the Hitler part, that’s bat-shit insane) and it might be worth reflecting why a lot of the electorate no longer sees the Democratic party as the anti-war party. That’s a big shift that’s occurred in my lifetime, and it’s worth examining.

Because they're idiots?

Every major war started in my lifetime (including the "war on drugs") was started by Republicans.

The Democratic party is the party of complacency, I'll grant them that, and we were in wars for several administrations that Republicans started. So it's hard for their donkey brains to remember when and why the wars started and when they ended. A lot of people think that Obama was in office when 9/11 happened. The country is full of idiots.

It's because they aren't. Clinton and Gore were 100% interventionist, and had no issues with preemptive war, some accused Clinton of starting a war to boost his popularity. Kerry was anti war historically, but pragmatic on Iraq, Hillary again with Bill not at all anti war-->

it might be worth reflecting why a lot of the electorate no longer sees the Democratic party as the anti-war party

The only reflection I am able to accomplish is to look at the GOP and say "Worse, tho".

If you aren't voting for the lesser evil, I have to assume you hate America and want it to fail. And that's worse than genocide.

No, because Dems are stuck on a high horse and burned 1 billion campaigning like its the 1950s. Fff, they could have won the election spending a tenth of that on bots and paying off influencers.

We absolutely need money for a shameless 'oppositional' propaganda apparatus.

??? They do it from the oval office desk. The more / less US manufacturing lever is in between the egg price and gas price lever.

Actually no. Fascism requires perpetual conflict. There will always be something to fight about, and people to kill, internal or external.

Say what you will about that Hitler guy - but at least he did do a good thing or two, like killing Hitler!

No matter who Democrats pick they will always be painted as unlikeable, losers, and evil by Republicans. If you think picking a "likeable" candidate is the trick then you too have fallen for the endless Republican framing trap.

Shoulda ran Walz as prez from the get-go. Dude ticks all the masculinity boxes the right loves while being a real human being.

Likeable with a penis

That's okay, Europe has your back while you look inwards yet again.

I read on the news that Poutin threatened to invade 4 more countries. This is how ww2 got started. They just kept appeasing Hitler until they realized just far he would go. Also with every takeover the Germany military machine got a lot stronger. The take over of Czechoslovakia meant he took over all their military arsenal which was enough to arm several divisions.

The only appropriate response

Totally. Matt Yglesias calls this the "crank realignment."

https://www.slowboring.com/p/the-crank-realignment-is-bad-for

What a ridiculous take.