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new york state!
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Interesting.
When a rich man is sentenced to prison, and then actually has to go to prison, it's called a "legal loophole".
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Fun to think about, but I can promise that Trump will never see consequences for his actions. Everything just miraculously slides right off of him.
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Yeah, he'll just get his 6/3 Supreme Court majority to rule that the president is also immune to state crimes like they already ruled for federal crime.
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LegalEagle on YouTube says it’s basically done. He will never see jail.
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Every time there's talks about it I think about The fall of the house of Usher
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He'll just stay out of New York until his coronation
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First presidential act from prison: kill the judge. Second: free himself regardless of law.
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Cheat codes
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Yeah fucking right. Jesus Christ. We need to just accept that it's over. He's never going to face any consequences and NY is not sending anyone to the White House to drag him out...
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But (as a European) it would be funny tho
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This country will never, ever prosecute a president because it would set a precedent of holding our politicians accountable. Ain't happening. We've all been watching Pelosi do insider trading for decades.
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Except he's already been prosecuted and found guilty. This is the sentencing. Now the question is will New York state sentence and imprison him before he takes office.
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He’s just not going to show up and will stay in FL till after inauguration. If you think they’re going to hold politicians to the same standard as you and me you’re incredibly naïve.
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It's gonna be interesting because we are clearly at a level of manipulation where the sheer act of being held accountable will 100% be called persecution. From here on out any attempt to hold a politician accountable will be met with resistance and end up being theatre.
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As reprehensible as it is morally, Congresscritters can STILL legally trade based on their insider info they get from their Congresscritter jobs. So there's really no crime to prosecute. There SHIOULD be, but there isn't.
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Politicians doing insider trading is not limited to Pelosi, and somehow not illegal. At least Congress has more ethics standards than courts, but it’s an extremely low bar and unreasonable to be held to such lower standard than the rest of us
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The "somehow" isn't a big leap... The people who would have to outlaw it are the exact ones benefitting from the broken status quo, same as it ever was.
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Insider trading is actually legal for congress though. You're point is valid for systemic issues but this specific one boils down to the individuals involved. There is no precedent for this, no one can really say the judge did anything improper. It would likely be a boon for the governor in a blue state and who knows the DA ambitions.
I'm mostly making counterpoints than a prediction though. I still don't think anything major will happen.
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Yes, the second most pressing concern in everyone’s lives after a second Trump term—Nancy Pelosi’s husband
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Faaallllseee equivalennnnnceeee
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The cope is strong here.
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Its stronger on reddit. Front page is filled with "Biden should resign and make Kamala the first woman president to 'break the glass barrier'" and "Biden should appoint Kamala Harris to the supreme court" and "Biden shoud make an official act to do X".
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I mean. Rationally speaking, shouldn't Biden do something extreme at this moment?
This is one core problem Kamala had. Her message was "Donald Trump is a Nazi," yet the entire Biden administration never treated him like some existential threat to Democracy.
You know all those hypotheticals about killing Adolf Hitler? Notice how no one ever discusses the legality of killing Hitler? It's all discussions of temporal mechanics or the ethics of punishing someone for a crime before they commit it. No one ever says, "no, you obviously shouldn't kill Hitler before he comes to power, as that would have been against German law."
Realistically, if Kamala's rhetoric is factual, Biden should have had Trump arrested on day one of his term, charged in a military tribunal for treason, and convicted and sentenced before the first 100 days were complete. The debate should have been whether to give Trump the death penalty, not whether he had presidential immunity. And what about the Supreme Court? What ABOUT the Supreme Court? Did the Allies give much credence to whatever bullshit rulings the Nazi courts issued? Trump should have been pounded into the dirt, and any SCOTUS justices who dared to intervene should have been charged as accomplices. And anyone remotely involved in the plot should have been similarly purged from civil society. We should have seen hundreds, maybe even thousands, of life sentences.
THAT is how you respond to a threat to democracy. You find absolutely everyone involved and throw the book at them. You move quickly and run roughshod over normal judicial procedure. Lincoln suspended Habeas Corpus and imprisoned people for running pro-Confederate newspapers. That is what you have to do in times where democracy is truly threatened.
Does Biden actually believe Trump is literally another Adolf Hitler? Then logically, if that is literally true, then Biden should order the military to take him out. Hell, he should do whatever is necessary, upend the entirety of American democracy, become a full dictator if need be. Better a centrist dictator than a Fascist one. In other words, if Trump is literally Hitler, than Biden should be acting right now like our hypothetical time traveler.
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My lizard brain is all for the resigning thing. With the message being something about making a statement in the history books about the decision the public made in 2024. Mostly predicting the inevitable disaster of Trumps second term, just like his first term.
Higher brain thinks that's just poking a bear though. Ugh. We're fucked.
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JD Vance as president is an even more terrifying thought.
Beware the Monkey Paw
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I see Vance as a half smart opportunist, not a full on Fascist.
I could be wrong.
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I'm from Germany, so my exposure to US politics is limited (yet still way too much). So, I happened to watch/listen to the new york times podcast interview with vance about 1-2 weeks before the election. Mind you, before that I assumed he was an awkward idiot because all I knew about him was the doughnut thing, laughing at his own joke, and the couch thing. So I basically only tuned in to hear that weird ass man speak for once.
Apart from the shitty interviewer, I was shocked to find that he would charm me every couple of minutes. Saying people change their minds, people make mistakes, explaining where he is coming from, talking about his wife. This was not who I expected. And I had to remind myself a couple of times: this dude is up to no good. Listen to what he is not saying. Don't get sucked into this madness.
But damn he sounded so normal. So human. (Especially in contrast to the stuff I heard about him before.) And since then, I am honestly worried about this guy. I am definitely on the left spectrum politically speaking, and I still found some stuff relatable just by the way he talked. This scared me so much.
So I agree with you, I think he is an opportunist. And he actually knows what he is doing. I think he knows how to act and speak much better than the left US media tried to portray. They try to ridicule someone who is a very elaborate politician, and this can backfire so much, it's dangerous. Don't ridicule the devil in power. I believe if he wanted to, he could wrap a lot of people around his finger.
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Vance is a fucking monarchist.
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Nah he's a slightly more knowledgeable clown who is even more eager to do what the money backers want
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I don't know, is there a lot of couch in the white house, must take some time for him to introduce himself to all of them?
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Theoretically there's nothing stopping Trump from being president from prison.
There's no rule that says a dog can't play basketball.
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You know how I know this is bullshit? Because even if Trump got the maximum sentence for each of his felony counts, which is three years of prison, they can all be served concurrently, so he would be out by November 2027 with more than a year left of his term.
If Judge Merchan proceeds with sentencing, Trump's legal team will just appeal and push it back until after Jan 20th.
Nice wishful thinking, but Trump winning erased the chances of him ever being held accountable for his crimes against the American people. A majority of Americans felt like he should get away with all of it. On day one he will appoint a sycophant to the DOJ who will drop all of his federal cases, and the state cases will get paused because the President is immune from state prosecution while on office.
If anybody here wanted to see justice done, you should have shown up on the 5th.
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so he would be out by November 2027 with more than a year left of his term
In the extremely unlikely event he was sent to prison for 3 years then Vance would immediately use it as an excuse to invoke the section 4 of the 25th and make himself president.
Then we'd have a reasonably competent person in the white house delivering Project 2025 instead of the incompetent asshole
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Trump wouldn't be delivering p25. He's always been a puppet.
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If he's not convicted of anything he can't pardon himself. Is there a statute of limitations on inciting an insurrection, or whatever ge was going to be charged with? Just pick up the case again in Jan 2025.
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He won't have to. He'll just have his own DOJ appointee dismiss the federal cases against him. This will 100% happen on day one of his presidency. I have no doubt in my mind that he already has a person in mind for it and they will be his first appointment after his swearing in.
For the state cases, he doesn't need to do anything, they won't result in a sentencing verdict that can't be appealed before he takes office, and the state courts cannot prosecute a sitting president.
The best case scenario is that the state cases that he can neither dismiss nor pardon himself for will resumed at the end of his term in January 2029. That's a long fucking time to wait for justice, and even then, we won't know if he will even serve time for it. The presiding judges could die or retire and sympathetic judges could be appointed in the meantime. The states could flip to be controlled by MAGA AGs and decide to drop the cases even while they are paused.
The likelihood of this guy seeing the inside of a jail cell before he dies is almost 0%.
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You can't really prosecute a dictator for crimes when they control all of the branches of government.
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crimes against the
American peoplepeople of New York.FTFY
Don't know if you've ever been to NY, but they literally hate anyone that isn't from NY. They used to LOVE Trump and his business practices. Call them shady if you want, but that used to bring in money for NY. Then he started making money in Florida and ran as a Republican. That pissed them off but good!
They aren't doing this for the American people. They are doing this for themselves.
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The hush money payments are not the only things he was being prosecuted for. Jan 6th, the Georgia RICO case, the classified documents case, etc. New York is not the only state that deserves justice.
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Trump is and has always been a criminal. New York (my home state) just has the balls to actually bring him to court even if he slimes his way out of any real consequence. And believe it or not we dont hate outsiders. Just shady businessmen and people who dont pay their bills.
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Well NY can certainly sentence him, and he can potentially serve a custodial sentence. But I suspect that even if the judge handed him time in prison it wouldn't be four years and would almost certainly be appealed or delayed to be mostly irrelevant. But I would dearly, dearly, DEARLY love to see this asshole go to prison and preferably never come out.
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Can he pardon himself?
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As I understand it, this is a state case where he can't. Federal pardon powers extend only to federal cases.
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He can for J6 and the documents case. But not for this or the Georgia case.
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Only even hypothetically for federal crimes. State crimes aren't federal jurisdiction and he has no pardon power over them. Usually pardon power over state crimes is in the hands of the governor.
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I'd bet either just fines, a suspended sentence or if there is a custodial sentence that it will explicitly be delayed not to begin until Jan 21, 2029. Pretty sure there's something somewhere about not being able to use law enforcement powers to interfere with the ability of Congress/the Presidency/SCOTUS to do their appointed jobs. Otherwise the Chief of the Capitol Police would be the most powerful legislator in the country, by simply holding legislators he opposes for questioning any times there's an important vote.
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Nothing in the Constitution prevents the President from holding the office from a jail cell.
I'm telling you, the premise of this should be a Michael Schur production.
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Nothing in the Constitution prevents the President from holding the office from a jail cell.
This would be most hilarious trip of bureaurocracy the world has ever seen.
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Yeah a president in prison can just go "As an official act, get me the fuck out of here".
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Or an Air Bud spinoff.
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That’s 100% not going to happen. As much as it should.
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guys, this is dumb af. this is america. trump isn't going to prison.
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People who think trump is going to prison now are delusional.
That's the whole point why they suspended sentencing till elections so to see who wins. He's not getting sentenced now.
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It's a meme so of course it's dumb. It's also pretty funny.
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Judge might sentence him, but ACAB includes DoC, so he'd miraculously escape custody.
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Yeah he's not going to jail. The bastard is just going to keep laughing at us every day. But he's only got maybe 20 years to go. I would be surprised if 10. He's basically 20% rotten McDonald's M double cheeseburger. We might have to deal with princes Vans instead of Maybe one of the other trump princesses. Who knows.
All we should do is wait and feed him Peanuts or pretzels. He's bound to choke in one of those things. Either that or the sodium.
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still 20 years! Average USA lifespan for man is 75 year. He should already be dead by now.
Yes money help with living longer, but with his bad health hygiene it should cancel out.
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Average mean means middle...half the population is still alive at average age unfortunately. But fortunately the whole age range is non-linear because nobody gets to be 150 years old. More like 1 person in the world might get to be 125 years old if they never smoked, never had even looked at a MacDonalds burger on TV etc.
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Given how badly his mental state is doing right now, I wonder if he will even survive his term in office.
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Same. I wouldn't be surprised if he was 25th'd a couple years into his presidency due to his declining mental state. But then we get Vance in charge. Which might be worse.
20 years is way too generous. I put my money on 5 - 7 years left.
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Beautiful article. I'm feeling better already about everything really.
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Wow, we didn't know what to expect in 2013.
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20? Isn't the orange turd 80 or somewhere close? Frankly I wouldn't be surprised if he died of a natural death soonish
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He's 78. So in two years he'll be 80 and in Just a teenager he'll be 100. Jimmy Carter is 100. 0.03% of the population in the US make it to 100. The population was recently ~346,098,610. So he could be 1 of 10 million people who becomes 100.
According to stupid Google only 60 people get to be 110. Thus Trump's maximum life is around 20, but that's being generous. 10 is more probable. But hopefully any time now. Like a really bad sneeze while he's having his Coca-Cola in the morning ☺️🌄.
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The expected lifespan for someone his age is about another 9 years per the SS actuarial data.
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Evil has a way of hanging on, so let's hope that doesn't happen here. Strom Thurmond hung in there until 100, and was in office at that age.
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He’s 78. There’s zero chance he makes 98.
I doubt he’ll make it to the end of his term. He’s not a fit man.
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Step 1, appeal to supreme court. Step 2: go free.
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Loophole or not. His AG (likely Cannon) will threaten prison time or charge with treason or insurrection with anyone who attempts to continue any cases against him
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Hasn't he already threatened Letitia James and called her a fat ass?
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I remember having dreams. You guys remember those? Fun times.
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After the election results and looking at Elon for past few months, I'm starting to think Trump isn't the problem. It won't matter if he stays or not. USA has got bigger knives in it's chest.
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STARTING to think? Honestly I don't even hate Trump anymore. It's like hating a shark or a snake or something. He's just doing what he does. It's the ~75 million people who enable him by voting for him that are disgusting and terrifying right now. Half of America is the problem, and he is just a symptom, and it is a BIG BIG BIG problem for the whole world.
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I've been trying to fathom the amount of misinformation out of here that has accumulated in people's minds. There are people that I know and love, otherwise intelligent good people, that are thankful that Trump got elected. They believe that everything wrong with America and the world is due to "the Democrats". And they've been that way since before 04.
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I've been thinking about this a lot lately. Recently I looked up what has been going on in various European countries, and it seems like with a lot of them there's an extreme populist party with about 20% control, there's a less extreme party that's still queerphobic and anti-abortion but more willing to compromise with maybe about 15% control, and then there's more liberal but economically conservative parties parties making it so the total of economically conservative parties including the above two is above 50%. These countries also have actual progressive and even some left-wing representation in government.
Contrast this with the US, which only has a populist party and a socially liberal but economically conservative party that a bunch of people are brainwashed to think is literally communism. There is very little progressive representation even though the country has a significant number of progressives, and people who want less government regulations are voting Republican regardless of their stances on social issues. Meanwhile polls say that opposition to LGBTQ rights and abortion is probably around 30% which is not much different than the European countries I looked at. So I think half the problem is that democracy in the US is basically dysfunctional.
However, 30% opposition to LGBTQ and abortion rights is still fucking bad, and I'm still trying to figure out whether it is the propaganda to blame or the people themselves. Additionally racism and xenophobia had been on the rise everywhere and has basically gained popular support at this point so democracy clearly isn't going to solve this.
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This.
We have an absolutely wrecked educational system that nobody can think anymore. People have either working lives that occupy them 99% of the time and they can't make informed decisions, or are suffering from 10-second attention-spans and can't focus on any political messages past "I am the greatest, vote for me" and the fact that is the literal message that won an election, should terrify us all.
If we have a really big challenge, like a novel new virus or disease, in our current state with our current leaders, millions would di- oh, wait, what? I'm being told this already happened.
Well, if something else really bad happens then we'll have similar or worse causalities.
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They would just exercise the 25th amendment and put Vance in the seat. I'm not sure who's ass is in the chair is the worst-case scenario
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I actually think Trump is better than Vance. Somehow.
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oui. he can't help but get in his own way. he's also endlessly distractable.
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It's not actually Trump that's the biggest threat, it's his supporters. And the Republican party that lets him do whatever he wants. That cult-like behavior dies with him (please, tonight on a hamberder). Vance sucks shit, but he in the past has said things against Trump, suggesting he's just in his camp for the power, money and fame. And sadly, that's the best case scenario in this failed democracy...
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I think it's that he's really bad at the job. He can't keep people who disagree - or don't agree forcefully enough. He can't take advice, he's not that good at coming up with plans.
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I've always seen their endgame as Vance taking over sometime during Trumps term. What I never considered until this moment is that with control of both sides of the Legislature, the GOP would also be able to pick whomever they wanted as a replacement for Vance in the VP spot. Zero primary election vote. Zero general election by the people, just the GOP leadership with a blank check to put whatever monster in the Executive branch without anything stopping them beyond the Constitutional limits that they be American born, be at least 35 years old, and having living in the USA for 14 years or more.
What monster would the GOP pick to be Vance's VP?
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Liz Cheney, as a show of good fa
I'm sorry I couldn't finish typing that.
Tbh I'm kind of expecting Trump to accidentally fall out of a window sometime around February. Maybe Easter. It's a very special day for him.
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that's not the point, the point is it would be hilarious
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Vance is worse.
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supreme court will toss all these out. Though it would be funny.
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SCONY or SCOTUS? Unless SCOTUS rules the laws unconstitutional (which I doubt even they'd do), it's not their place.
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Don't put anything past them.
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This is state level, supreme court can't do a thing. Then again, his Jesus cult could nuke New York or something, nothing would surprise me at this point.
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I am convinced that if Kamala won Trump would have started an armed insurgency. Well, this would definitely about do it.
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If Kamala won, he'd at most get a nice private prison that'd basically a rich people's fancy retirement home, with access to amenities like tweeting from his "truth" social so its basically not different than being not having a prison sentence at all. But most likely he'd not even get prison, but a house-arrest with very relaxed restriction, because the judicial system will make up some excuse saying its impractical to keep a former president in prison citing "safety concerns".
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It doesn't matter. None of this matters.
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The legal loophole is called maximum sentence.
But no, he was always going to get something like 2 years supervised parole.
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People in the Netherlands once ate the prime minster (basically president). Just saying, there are options.
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Shortly after they were attacked by 10,000 French troops on skates?! How is this not a Broadway musical?
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That's how you get brain worms.
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Legal eagle on YouTube and nebula has a recent video on this very subject. Short form? It's over.
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Even if this happens, we'd end up with JD Vance likely running the show which would also suck.
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bruh, jd vance is the fucking president any day now. we are talking about a morbidly obese cuntrag whose favorite pastime is demolishing hamberders.
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If my own experience has taught me anything, the people like that you want to just up and die...live longer than any of the good people you know.
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Not going to happen
I so badly want this to happen, but it's not going to happen
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Nobody is going to put an elected present in jail. It’s game over.
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Oh God, PLEASE, I know by now it won't happen, but I'm begging
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Battle of the billionaires, make no mistake the way i see it, the world is being fought over by conflicting groups of billionaires. There's the current winner group the christo-fascist sect. The competing Tech-bro billionaires who want us all to live like foxxcon slaves and unfortunate dead last is the humanist billionaires who actually wanted to do some good while stealing us blind.
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I'd assume any sentence for time to serve would be suspended until after his term.
That said, it would be very funny to be in a time where the US President could not visit certain states because he would be arrested.
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"We put all our politicians in prison as soon as they’re elected. Don’t you?” “Why?” “It saves time." -Terry Pratchett, The Last Continent
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lol no it didn't
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Haha, hahahahaha, he could be in jail already for years and there's people thinking he'll go now? Hope is nice, but that's just a dream
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Y'all know even if that were to happen, assuming the Biden administration even allows this, the military would storm in whatever holding cell hes in and break him out on January 20, then he'll invoke the insurrection act and order the arrest of NY state officials for treason.
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Your cartoon kid doesn't need to pray, he has magic little fish who grant his every wish.
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This is something i never understood about this meme. like most ppl know who Timmy is, so why use him in this meme. Also, doesnt god exist in fairly odd parents, like didnt timmy met him or am i thinking of some other show
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It is not actually legal to do this. A state can't interfere with the functioning of the federal executive branch. Most constitutional scholars would say the sentence just gets suspended until the end of his term.
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It wouldn't effect the functioning of the federal system. You seem to forget he spent the majority of his time in his idiotic faux gold penthouse or at Mar a lago.
Dumping him into white collar prison wouldn't change any of that and fed prisoners can still get temporary hardship/work release anyway.
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Doesn't it say they found a loophole? I figured that what they meant.
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Yes it would be funny, it would also probably cause a civil uprising.
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Bring it on
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You have my axe
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I doubt this will happen, and if it did it would do more harm than good. His followers would liken him to Paul.
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They already do. Trump would not be to big to jail if we weren't cowards.
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Yeah, won't happen
Also, if it did, then what? You'll have a Jesus death cult in charge of nukes. At least you can control trump by brown nosing him, the cult just will destroy the world to bring back jesus
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A couple of questions (from someone not from US):
- Can't he just presidential pardon himself?
- Even if put in jail, can he continue to act as a president? Like, give out orders, hold meetings, etc?
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For the first question, there's a distinction between state and federal crimes, things like shoplifting are usually state level crimes, if you do something like counterfeiting or crossing state lines while doing a criminal activity that's often federal. The president can only pardon federal crimes, they can't pardon a state crime (a year or two ago Biden pardoned federal weed offenses but that affected almost nobody because most people jailed for weed are at the state level which he couldn't pardon). Trump's charges in New York are state level and he can't pardon those.
Whether or not Trump can pardon himself for federal offenses (like the case in Florida that's been killed by that Trump-appointed judge) is yet untested (Nixon resigned and was pardoned by his successor to avoid this exact question), and it'd likely go to the Supreme Court... so they'd probably let him pardon himself.
I'm going to pass on the second question because I think he could actually be president from jail but I don't know for sure. I'm not a lawyer, lol. Didn't legal eagle do some videos about this?
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He can only pardon federal crimes, and the state of New York obviously can only prosecute state crimes
I think he can operate as president from jail.
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Presidential pardons only apply to federal cases. Not state cases.
Yes. Yes he could act as president
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don't give us hope
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Why would you need a loophole to put a criminal in jail?
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Won't happen but even if it did, JD will be just as bad.
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Probably worse because he's who nazis have to fall in line behind now, and he's a perfectly soulless puppet who will do whatever he's told. He'll make the nazis more efficient.
Trump's inherent incompetence works in favor of Americans here. Not by enough, but it's something.
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To do so would subvert the will of democracy. I thought liberals were the defenders of democracy? You lost the election. You fucking lost, move forward and try again in 4 years. Stop acting like spoiled entitled children.
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The law is the law.
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Try it in Latin, for an extra kick.
Dura lex sed lex
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enjoy the tariffs snowflake
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