Like a hot tub: Water temperatures off Florida soar over 100 degrees
On Monday, a buoy near Manatee Bay recorded an astounding 101.1 degree water temperature, a temperature common for hot tubs.
Every time I see these I see these climate change related issues (which is now multiple times a day), I get the same sinking feeling in my stomach like I'm behind on work and don't have enough time to do it and I'll soon be in trouble for letting things get too far behind. That feeling keeps me up, causes me stress, and is generally not a comfortable way to live. This just fucking sucks.
I hate to say it, but I keep avoiding articles about climate change for this reason. I can't do it every time, obviously, but it just gives me such stress. We're all so powerless while corporations destroy our planet.
I largely tuned out of climate change news a long time ago. I still care about it. I vote for it and have donated relatively large amounts of money to environmental charities. But otherwise nothing I do makes a difference.
Don't be too harsh on yourself, big corporations are the main cause of climate change. Unless we all collectively decide to give these companies a wake up call, I'm afraid there's very little you can do alone
Is there anything reasonable that we (those who have interest in living "like before" and won't die of age within 30 years) can achieve? I feel like many things are very out of reach, and the population is just too heterogeneous to agree on something. Older folks where I live just do not give a fuck, and elected someone whose major interest is in removing rights from people they actively hate. At least one big city where I live has been without water nor electricity for several hours (days?) because the heat has messed out the infrastructure, and I feel like even in my country barely anybody is talking about it... It's just very discouraging, I want to shift my perspective, but it's not easy.
Big corporations....that we keep rewarding with our money, incentivizing them to not change what they're doing. Human consumption is the largest driver of climate change.
Corporations can't do these things with the public being complicit.
We don't hold politicians accountable and we just consume consume consume like crazy.
And the worst part is, average citizens like yourself aren't a massive burden on the environment. It's people like Elon Musk flying personal jets across the world for dinner, who are actively contributing to the death of the planet.
The jets are bad but what is worse are the handle full of billionaires and csuite execs who have the money and power to decide company policies and bribe politicians and governments: lobbying, independent expenditures, gala dinners, super pacs, incentives, revolving doors, private fundraising, paid speeches; to look the other way so they can pollute however much they want.
Nothing is Ethical under Capitalism.
Social Democracy is better but still exports the suffering to the global south.
Workers of the world must unite to over come the absolute insanity of the capital class.
Unfortunately, everyone participates and it adds up. If you want to compare such personal consumption like jets, then the rich account for about 15% of the global emissions.
Here's a chart:
from this report: https://policy-practice.oxfam.org/resources/carbon-inequality-in-2030-per-capita-consumption-emissions-and-the-15c-goal-621305/
The share of total global emissions associated with the consumption of the richest 1% is set to continue to grow, from 13% in 1990, to 15% in 2015 and 16% in 2030.
If you want to include the rich's capital, which you should, because that has to change:
the bottom 50% of the world population emitted 12% of global emissions in 2019, whereas the top 10% emitted 48% of the total. Since 1990, the bottom 50% of the world population has been responsible for only 16% of all emissions growth, whereas the top 1% has been responsible for 23% of the total. While per-capita emissions of the global top 1% increased since 1990, emissions from low- and middle-income groups within rich countries declined. Contrary to the situation in 1990, 63% of the global inequality in individual emissions is now due to a gap between low and high emitters within countries rather than between countries. Finally, the bulk of total emissions from the global top 1% of the world population comes from their investments rather than from their consumption. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41893-022-00955-z
But if you imagine that the petite bourgeois lifestyle of McMansion in suburbia, cars and driving around everywhere, eating boatloads of primary calories, and the rest of the consumption isn't contributing, you should read more. Here's a start: https://www.versobooks.com/books/3691-the-imperial-mode-of-living
Really? The feeling I get when I read articles like this is a resigned feeling of "No shit, we've only been hearing warnings of this for the past 30 years. People are fucking stupid"
There used to be plausible deniability. "Maybe it won't really be that bad, even though we should be acting in case it is."
Now it's more of a "I wonder where the various lines are and how many we've already crossed, which one will be next, and how soon we'll notice it."
Have you noticed the number of insects is way down this year? Maybe I'm wrong. They do still gather in the lights (which might be another part of the fucking problem...) but there just doesn't seem to be as many as there used to be this year.
You can only do so much. Life was set up this way for us by countless generations before us. You can reduce your energy requirements, reduce/reuse/recycle, but it will only help so much at the individual level. Never stop trying. Never stop trying to convince your friends and family to reduce their footprint. I bug my SO every time they put something recyclable in the trash or they buy something we don't need.
But the world is burning because of greed and we can't individually put an end to that. Live your life, do what you can, share love. It's the best we can do right now.
I’ve just started to cut off feelings about it entirely - I can’t handle seeing this stuff everyday. I’m just resigned that it’s too late and live your life while you can.
This is the reason I finally pulled the plug on Reddit. Too much r/climate and others like that in my feed.
Now let's see how long will Lemmy last. Ultimately I'll just let myself die while playing Baldurs Gate 3 during a random heatwave in bliss ignorance of what's going on in the ocean or Florida or Italy or wherever.
I like to look on the bright side, in that climate change will either wipe humans off the map or send us back to the Stone Age so we no longer have any real impact.
Both scenarios will heal the planet, animals will re-populate, and homeostasis will again be restored. Checks and balances. We’ll just be another animal that that got out of control, which nature corrected, like it’s done thousands of times over with every animal that’s ever been out of control.
A healthy world. I like that outcome, with or without us.
Now I wonder if some future intelligent race could ever come across us through archaeological digs, and we become that "highly advanced race that died out" that's so common in fiction.
38,4°C for non americans.
Nah, I prefer the title without units. It allows me to imagine the oceans boiling, which would just cement Florida as being literal hell.
Thank you.
Doing the Lord's work
Thats pretty hot
Don't forget the Cayman Islands and Liberia.
Oil and gas companies are awesome at branding. We need to be better. We should name the heatwaves after oil companies.
We should also name the hurricane season. So the Exxon Mobile Heatwave, and the British Petroleum Hurricane Season. The Suncor Forest Fires.
etc.
That just sounds like free advertising. No one would actually connect the Sunoco name to a forest fire...but Sunoco would get their company name repeated millions of times per day on web and TV network traffic free of charge. No thanks.
Trust me, calling a Hurricane season the BP Hurricane Season is not free advertising. A bunch of red hat-wearing cultists will love it, but the vast majority of the planet will understand the premise. And it will tick away at their dominance.
Or we can just carry on and let them open up public lands to drill baby drill whilst we watch average global temps rise.
I love this idea
We already have the Edison forest fires 🔥
Next time i see a comment on Reddit I will do this (so the normies who need to see it will)
Are we all gonna die soon? Serious question
We? No. We'll just be uncomfortable. Our kids? They're going to slowly cook to death as they're running out of food/water/oxygen. Or, y'know, get blown up in one of the wars fighting over scraps of food/water/oxygen.
But look on the bright side: we're on track to beat last fiscal year's profit margin! If we do that, we'll get a free company branded pencil and one ticket to use some leave-without-pay at you manager's discretion -- and the regional manager gets another vacation home!!
Mass famines and heat that kills without AC coming summer of 2024 or 2025. Won't kill the global north too much yet, but it will be one of the biggest deadly events in history for the rest of the world.
Military journalist Gwyn Dyer reported on this almost 2 decades ago.
The global militaries have been planning for this for years. You see those ships with refugees from northern Africa? That volume is going to ramp up plus Mediterranean countries are going to exodus north to the Nordic states and immigration is going to lock the fuck down. People are going to die by the millions. Maybe not in 2 years but this is our future.
On the plus side, and I am fucking saying this sarcastically, at least it's the "right people" dying which is to say those not white and those not rich.
People are already dying to the effects. We know climate change can cause more and higher intensity hurricanes, more droughts, fires, famines, wilder weather swings, floods, and wars and refugee crises, etc. We know these things are increasing and we know people are already dying to them now.
So while you can't pin any individual disaster to climate change, we already know it's causing deaths.
As for if we're all going to die? Probably not all of us, so if you're lucky and don't mind you or your kids living in a Mad Max world, you can relax a little.
No. We have a long ways away before the human population will be wiped out due to climate change. Most likely around 100 or so years. The issue is what happens before then. Increasing temperatures will mean less water for crops creating food crisis. It will mean rising water level which means people living in low coastal cities will have to move. There is going to be mass migration which people do not like (Conservative fearmongering and look at how the homeless are treated). The food shortages and migration will cause unprecedented poverty. Poverty is correlated to crime so there is going to be an uptick of it. If we don't cut our carbon emission by 2030, we are going to see water wars and food wars by 2050.
What do these food and water wars mean? It can mean a lot. The rich will most likely be fine and continue with their yachts and private jets which are the biggest contributors carbon emissions. There will be more and more wars breaking out and even 1st world countries will be affected. This can lead to use of nuclear weapons which will continue to cut the human population and make things less inhabitable. Over time the human population will be cut and climate change acceleration will most likely slow down but not fully stop. There's also a feedback loop to the planet heating up. As polar ice caps melt and the planet heats up, it may naturally continue on its own until it equalizes. It can go up to like 10 degrees which, well, I hope i am not on the planet at that time.
Not everything is hopeless. We have a lot of bright scientists and we are in an era of unprecedented wealth. I do believe when it comes down to it, the world will unite and we will be able to mitigate enough of it and create solutions. Mass solar panels is a good one. Building nuclear reactors for the future use is another. Some solutions have been suggested like turning the sky white and other stuff. Public transit is another thing picking up and will greatly reduce carbon emissions. Just remember, a majority of the pollution comes from the use of private jets, yachts, and cruise ships. People will get hungry. There is one group of people who are at fault and I think the French found the solution to it.
We have a long ways away before the human population will be wiped out due to climate change. Most likely around 100 or so years.
You realize that would be the grandchildren of people alive today, right? That's VERY soon lol...
No. We have a long ways away before the human population will be wiped out due to climate change...Not everything is hopeless. We have a lot of bright scientists...
I said something similar in a thread yesterday and got savagely shat on by everyone. The thread was about people literally not having children because they're worried about climate change. I said have kids if you want, don't if you don't, but it's insane to make such a major life decision based on some nebulous calamity that may or may not happen in your lifetime, or at all. I'm extremely concerned about climate change but goddamn some people are nuts.
Soon cosmically? Yes, very.
Soon relative to human life span? Very unlikely.
20years max.
Could be 12 hours
No, we won't. At least, the millennials are the last safe generation.
What will slowly die at 38°C are sperm. Hopefully, it will affect the reproduction of some roten brain about climate change.
Spoilers: Third world war will start at October, to go through clueless and senseless deaths all around the world, for uhhhhhh....6 years'ish.
Then (not really sure beyond that tbh) we will have a worldwide apparition of Our Lady of Garanbandal.... something something "folks will die of shame by witnessing their sins being committed", etcetc. The antichrist will come, christians will be hunted like animals.
Demons will manifestate, wander around. Everyone will accept em as saviors, praise em, etc. Lucifer will claim victory, etc.
Then, 2nd cometh of Christ, etc, judge everyone, etc. Hell will close, etcetc. New Jerusalem, etc.
So um..... yeah. 10 years at best, 20 years at worst.
The flying spaghetti monster beckons: we shall all return to the sauce! Some time after dinner, most likely.
R'amen.
At least the ocean will be nice and warm when it floods their houses
Beware of the upcoming hurricane season.
Overtemp gulf is going to create some monster storms.
Yeah this was my first thought.
And insurance companies are abandoning Florida in droves.
Holy crap. So coral bleaching in that area is basically guaranteed at this point. And some plankton and algae can’t really survive if those temperatures persist.
Also, as temperature rises, water holds less and less dissolved oxygen. At the same time metabolic rates of fish increase, which makes them require even more oxygen. The scary thing about that is at some point they lose the ability to get enough oxygen to sustain life, and then bam — the whole species dies in a day.
Remember those rivers of millions of dead fish? Yeah, it’s like that.
All of these things are bad, but the effect on phytoplankton is most frightening of all. Diatoms provide 50-85% of our global oxygen supply. Not only are rising temperatures a problem for them, but ocean acidification also eats away at their silica-based shells. But it does it slowly so by the time they die, they are in deep water where no other diatoms are around to reuse the silica.
Luckily, there are other ways of recycling diatom remains. The most notable example is the dried lake bed that used to be part of Lake Chad when that lake was far bigger and held many living diatoms. Due to natural changes in climate, the water dried up and that area is now part of the Sahara Desert. About 100 days a year, winds kick the ancient diatom dust high into the atmosphere where it is carried across the Atlantic Ocean and then it settles across South America.
This is a big reason the Amazon Rainforest is so lush. Diatomaceous fertilizer carried all the way from Africa. And since more plants means more photosynthesis, it causes a lot of water that would have otherwise been locked away in the ground to evaporate through transpiration. All of this excess water is blown westward towards the Andes mountain range. In narrower parts of the Andes, the dense Amazonian clouds overcome the rain shadow effect to precipitate across the west side of the Andes.
This rainwater causes erosion of quartz, which is ground into fine silica dust. As silt, this dust is washed into the Pacific Ocean, where diatoms absorb the silica and use it to reproduce. In a beautiful global balancing act, as diatom-heavy lakes in Africa dry up, the remains of those diatoms cause a chain reaction that ends up causing a huge increase of diatoms on the opposite side of the globe.
Great, right? It would be if we weren't replacing so much of the Amazon Rainforest with monoculture farms which don't have nearly the same evapotranspiration effect as the flora of the natural ecosystem. So, not only are we baking the diatoms, not only are we dissolving them with acid, we're also removing one of their most critical reproductive resources.
It's like we discovered how resilient the planet is and how hard it is to kill, and humans took that as a challenge.
Enjoy the oxygen while it's plentiful.
That’s a great write up, thanks. Haven’t heard about the connection between the Amazon rainforest and African diatoms, that’s fascinating.
I thought lake Chad started to dry up mostly in the 60s. I went to read some more about that and I just can’t not mention that the original lake is apparently called Mega-Chad :)
Anyway, in case anyone else is interested to read about ancient microorganisms fuelling Amazon’s growth, here’s a really interesting paper that describes this system in great detail.
Does it help that the phytoplankton may adapt?
Adaptation of phytoplankton to a decade of experimental warming linked to increased photosynthesis
I mean yeah, it's in a controlled environment, but it seems like encouraging news?
Earth's oxygen will run out
Eventually
In a billion years
Or the 2000 dead penguins washing up on the coast of Uruguay just a few days ago. Apparently starved to death, though the cause is still being investigated.
But yeah the phytoplankton and algae boiling to death is triggering a catastrophic change in the ocean that is going to domino in horrible ways and I feel like I don't often see a lot of people mentioning it. It's very scary how the collapse of aquatic ecosystems is playing out.
Even worse, the bacterial bloom from all the dead fish causes even more oxygen to be removed from the water…
I assume that's 100° Freedom rather than 100° Civilised?
Nope, ocean is boiling.
You're proving your own point wrong by asking this question.
You know what would really help? Not showing a nice happy vacation beach image with that headline. How about some dead fish, people sweating while doing manual laboue or bleached corals? For fucks sake.
(I know NBC doesn't read Lemmy, just frustrated)
We already passed the tipping point when the permafrost started melting and exploding. It's going to be an awful ride.
There is multiple tipping points, as counterintuitive as that sounds. Just means there are certain things that cannot be repaired once they are destroyed.
Eventually they will repair themselves. But that will be in thousands of years after we are all long gone.
I imagine the crocodiles will survive.
Just a reminder that warm waters in the Gulf of Mexico and Southern Atlantic = hurricane fuel. We are lucky El Niño is causing some wind shear in the upper atmosphere to break up the storms… so far. I recommend looking it up if you’re interested. Hurricane season has the potential to be devastating this year if the El Niño cycle weakens.
Americans reading this: * kalm *
Europeans reading this: * panik *
Fuck this is scary. Wish some extreme actions were being taken for this extreme situation.
Warmer waters means stronger storms.
Florida is going to go through some things.
This is why insurance companies are dropping out of the State, and yet I'd wager a good chunk of the population deny climate change exist.
They’ll blame the democrats. Somehow.
Warmer waters means more sea weed, red tides, algael blooms, mosquitoes, snakes, fish kills.
Florida is killing itself and us.
And much of the US Southeast in general. And probably the Northeast as well. But many people in the US can evacuate inland. Countries around the Caribbean Sea... not so much
Low-income households in the US are also disproportionately affected; cause it's hard to evacuate your family without a car, or to rebuild your life after it's been hurricaned away.
This is Fahrenheit, right? So ~38.3º Celsius.
still hotter than my average bathtub(37.5)
What... ... ... ... Why is it soo warm? Iirc sea animals can't live with temperatures like that!?
I believe it. I'm not even in Florida (thank God), but my pool temp is 95F today. It's literally too hot to swim.
I live in this shit hole state and it js miserable how hot it is. Our inside temperature for my house is like 84 during the day...
Could you toss some ice cubes in there?
I didn't even know it was possible.
On the upside, free boiled fish that takes no effort!
Maybe all those Republicans that recently moved to Florida because it is cheap will realize climate change is an issue when their home owner's insurance ends, they are hit by frequent large hurricanes, are racked with flooding, and they get a wet bulb event or two every year that kills thousands of seniors.
Maybe but I doubt it.
Lmao the fish 😅
Expected.
I swear, if those lizard lovers get their state destroyed and leave Georgia more vulnerable I'm gonna be pissed.
Fuck now ima have to update some wiki articles again. It's like updating a clock to doomsday.
Pee in it! Cool it down!
WHO MADE THE COLD SPOT
Pee is still body temp, so it'd only cool the water down by like 2 degrees.
So it will cool it down.
Meanwhile it's summer in the UK and we're off to a water park today and we're taking full wetsuits because it's so cold. July has been awful in the UK with so much rain.
13°C in Berlin right now, tops out at 20°C today, and it's near August. I mean, I'll take that any day over the scorching earth that other countries have, but it is weird.
that is just relatively normal? It only feels weird now, after the last 5 years being exceptionally scorching.
Usually there is a colder week or two in july followed by another heatwave in august. Last year that august wave brought 37°C and just twobweeks ago we were at 35°C.
Take the relief while you can.
In my part of Canada have gone from mid 30s to low teens. It is very weird as xhorxhing one day cold by comparison the next.
That's the difference between weather (what you're experiencing in a localized environment) and climate (what the wild world is experiencing).
Water in the UK has never been warm though. We might have hit 40C for a day last year, but it takes a long time to get water to that temp.
Earth friendly hotpot and no need to add salt lmao
of course the water temp is the highest, the ocean currents slowly stopping https://www.huffpost.com/entry/ocean-currents-system-possible-collapse_n_64c075eee4b08cd259dddeb4, the magnetic poles are shifting and weakening (-15% in last 200y.), and seems like we are overdue for a next milankovitch cycle https://www.thoughtco.com/milankovitch-cycles-overview-1435096 only that it has little to do with our actual orbit/precipitation and have a lots to do with the magnetic field of the earth...
https://www.livescience.com/46694-magnetic-field-weakens.html
Humans are so fucking stupid, in general. We deserve to be replaced by something better. It won’t be long. The planet appears to be winding up for another cycle & honestly I can’t fucking wait.
I've seen a surprising number of people on Lemmy with this depressing attitude. Not all humans deserve to die just because those in power don't give a shit about the environment. And unfortunately, we're not the only ones that will end up dying off. We'll be taking a massive chunk of the planet with us.
Thanks, I heard of it yet couldn't find the definition :
Since 1893, the legal definition of the foot in the United States has been based on the meter. The definition adopted at that time was the one specified by Congress in 1866, as 1 foot = 1200/3937 meter exactly (or 1 foot = 0.304 800 6 meter approximately).
And now USA will use :
1 foot = 0.3048m
...much more convenient 😆 !
...a simple approximation is 1"≈2½cm, 40"≈1m, 5'≈1½m for quick conversions in your head...
Not the only place on Earth. Others may not be as hot but still of concern.
Your statement is right and I cant figure how people read it to downvote it so much. Europe is even worse than Florida with Sicily burning.
Laugh it up I guess, once the Gulf Stream collapses the UK will be in a state of near permanent winter and we'll be doubly fucked.
But if they start dumping cold water on it, oh boy
Prepare for the tornadoes in the south hemisphere
Climate wars here we gooooo
You should have waited with Brexit until then, you could've blamed it on brain freeze.
Yeah thats most likely en error.
Do yoy even know how temperature for buoys is measured? Its measured at 10 feet deep. Have you ever swam to the bottom of the pool and felt it colder? Thats because it is.
If it really was 100 degrees some 3.5m below sea level, then the surface would be way hotter due to sun exposure/radiation. My guess would be basically too hot to touch.
