Healthcare rule

Its not the doctors who are reaping the benefits its the insurance companies and hospital administration that make most of the money

Alberta adopted this model and saw an increase in public health wait times and a sharp increase in the required government spending required to run the public system.

Creating a two tiered system means that it bleeds doctors, nurses and admin into the private sector which is fundamentally at odds with the philosophy that everyone deserves the right to life sustaining care. If the rich want to dodge the cue then they can quite frankly afford the plane ticket. If the system is being undermined by politicians - oust the politicians. Let them know that that system is of the highest priority and should be first to see reinvestment.

But we should all be aware that Canada is one of the most challenging landscapes for delivery of any kind of health care. We are diffuse over a large landmass and the commitment to the system means that if you live in a remote place 2 hours away from the nearest surgery then the government is on the hook to spend an outsized amount of budget to uphold the commitment of care for you. The temptation to cut corners is always there and each Provincial trust is its own battleground. That we have the level of service we do is a credit to the efficacy of public health systems... Which means upping the costs to create competitive private sector development hurts us all.

It may be a step up for Americans to have any system at all as a right to health safety net but it's a sharp step down for anywhere running a full public system.

I know nothing about Canada but the way this person described our Australian health care system is correct and it works well...those who can pay more (me!) but those who can't are still 100% covered. It's not perfect but it's 100 times better than the US.

All that would do is set a baseline pricing model, hospitals would price everything above it and people would be on the hook for the difference. It doesn't solve anything and let's politicians say "look we have national healthcare!" All while maintaining the same overly expensive, inefficient, less effective system we currently have.

many proposals have zero cost (or net zero, via offsetting tax credit of at least as much as the health care 'tax') for lower income earners. if this guy's only got 25% being withheld from each paycheck, he'd probably fall under that threshold.

That’s both interesting and disheartening

American Libertarians would be okay with many of the contracts we consider illegal, like ejecting people with pre-existing conditions.

Unfortunately i think “Medical privacy” is going to scream “abortion” to your target audience.

Yeah, but that's like acknowledging children have rights, they can't have that.

There is some percentage of people that simple can not think in any other way than zero sum games. Every transaction, interaction, etc needs to have winners and losers. They can’t see that some spending is good because it helps people which in turn helps them. It is a completely alien world view that I also don’t understand. They are the foot soldiers for fascism.

I might not be a good lefty for saying it, but I've never been against capitalism at like a base level. I imagine it'd be perfectly fine in a species evolution didn't utterly fail, but example says we humans cannot have it and remain functional.

I believe that it's much less about profits and much more about power. Being unbeliveably wealthy in a world where everyone have their every need satisfied is less favourable for a megalomaniac than being believeably wealthy in a world where everyone is desperate. People rarely desire expensive jewelery or other (relative) luxuries for their own satisfaction, usually it's used to signify wealth and show power. What use would those extremely rich psychopaths have for their money if there was no human black market to buy a child sex slave from? Where would they get their dose of praise and submission if no one desperately wished to change their dire living conditions and was willing to licktheir boots for that chance? I think capitalism was designed specifically for this purpose, and with class divide growing ever wider, it fulfills it excellently.

good, I will hang them an leave them on my front porch until thank giving

7/10/2023? The date you gave was three days ago.

Also, obviously there is a bloody long history there. However this is still the only all out war since 2014. It just seemed like weird timing to me ¯(ツ)/¯

I do actually know a fair bit about the history of the conflict in Palestine.

We pay the middlemen, yes. I don't see how we pay for other people's healthcare. The private insurance that I've experienced takes many factors into account (age, quality of health, pre-existing conditions and so on). Thankfully because I'm both young, and don't have pre-existing conditions, I pay less insurance premiums than a kid born with diabetes.

Remember, we're talking about technicality here. We aren't talking about ethics. Strictly from a money standpoint, we're not paying for other people's insurance.

Agreed. The ethical argument for universal healthcare triumphs everything else, assuming that we value human life equally.

True. I'm playing Devil's advocate here. These r arguments that I've heard that make sense technically, but not ethically. I'm not saying that real life me would want to give up my universal healthcare lol. It's a safety net that I absolutely want in my life (for selfish reasons as well)

Universal healthcare is that but cheaper because the government doesn't have a profit incentive to price gouge.

Cheaper for everyone except higher income folk. They would benefit from a multi payer, private insurance system as they would end up paying less.

You're already doing that with insurance premiums.

Insurance premiums aren't decided based on my income. They're decided based on the probability of me needing healthcare. Therefore, we kinda are not doing that right now. Universal, single payer healthcare would mean that healthcare expenditure would increase with my income. If I'm rich, I would be very sad.

But I'm not. Also, eat the rich. Healthcare is a human right. I am very happy with the universal healthcare that I have lol. I wouldn't want it to go away at all. But again, I was talking about the technicality here.

Insurance premiums aren't decided by my income. They are decided by my probability of needing the coverage offered. Therefore, if I am rich, I end up paying a smaller percentage of my income on insurance premiums for the same coverage compared to a poor person.

Single payer universal healthcare makes healthcare more expensive for rich people and cheaper for poor people. I'm not saying that's bad ofc.