Man says he lied when he testified against inmate who is set to be executed

still bloodthirsty that they refuse that execution even though new information have come to light.

In South Carolina? First on-the-books in nearly 10 years.

you forgot to mention thats just because noone wanted to sell them the tools to do so

Yeah but it's many who do agree with it. In this case there's enough elected officials who's constituents want the death penalty to be a thing. Ours isn't a perfect democracy but to argue our government isn't a representation of its citizens is just a lie

From a strict utilitarian "this person is an active threat to the lives of others and cannot be rehabilitated" perspective, I get it. We kill wild animals for a lot less. Given perfect knowledge I don't have a hard line against execution.

But that's a hell of a hypothetical. Lots of violence is circumstantial and not necessarily and indication of future behavior, especially if we actually gave a shit about mental health and improving the living conditions of struggling people. Far too many convictions are improper or outright incorrect. Society should have a responsibility to care for the worst of itself. It all stacks up to "do we trust ourselves, and our government, with something so extreme and irreversible?"

I do, when you start putting the right to kill for crimes, in the hands of the state, you've lost the plot in democracy.

not to diminish your point - but separately - also disproportionately innocent people

I agree. You kill someone, your life should also be over. There is no rehabilitation, you don’t get a second chance. There is no “making it right”, you ended the life of another person and no you go bye-bye as well.

But there needs to be certainty, and the way it is handed out now (especially in red states) is atrocious.

I keep reading these comments of people talking about how the murderer can be rehabilitated and then society is better. No, it’s not. And if someone killed their loved one they would be singing a completely different tune.

I think you can. For example, I am 100% sure that Ethan Crumbley shot his classmates. (That doesn't mean I think he should be executed though).

Yes. You absolutely can be. Ten-fifteens-twenty different angles of video evidence. 30+ eye witnesses. There’s a ones a point of insurmountable evidence to the point. It can be done.

The whole idea that ‘it should have been introduced at trial’

It's almost as if the entire "justice system" is designed to protect a certain class of person while fucking over everyone else. Cue the people so shocked that this "justice system" can easily be abused by people acting in bad faith to enable fascism. People have been brainwashed into believing that the USA isn't just Diet Fascism. Fascism with a pretty face, fascism with "free speech" so the plebes have a steam valve to release their frustration while also being told that protesting is too disruptive so they need to stick to "free speech zones" miles away from what they're protesting. Wild that it's so hard to put together when the original Constitution only allowed land-owning white men to vote.

Yes we really need to change the standard for confessions. The other day a guy with a truck tried to run me over walking my dog, I called the police with his license plate, and because there were no cameras the cops won't investigate. This man deliberately tried to hit me, a random stranger, with his car like a psychopath and the cops said there's nothing they can do, no evidence. I said, "I'm the evidence. Eye witness testimony." They said it's not enough.

So if the cops feel like "someone saying something," isn't good enough, then why are they accepting confessions?

And it's kinda funny the police now innately care about video footage since we force them to wear bodycams. How intrinsic to their mindset is the whole "no video, no evidence, can't be charged," mindset? Back in the 90s and before, going to trial over eye witness testimony was common. Majority of court cases don't/didn’t have video footage.

No, because that's the point.

They're not weak like us, they aren't troubled by such petty details like due process and justice. This is about order more than law.

Live there for a while, you learn the sheriff is the local feudal lord, and you better bow and scrape if you want to get by.

What is the benefit of your comment?

The south is continuing to execute people, mostly on racist bases, and they won't stop.

You can't shame someone who has no shame, and the rest of the world acting in shock of their behavior has no impact on them.

They're like Trump-followers, the trolling and shock value is the point, they get off on it.

The last time the South decided to continue a practice the rest of the country abhorred, they fought a brutal, treasonous war resulting in the death of a million Americans. Words aren't going to lead to change, they never have before.

People need to understand we either force the South to enter to modern era, or they never will on their own.

As one of his last actions before leaving office, Donald Trump fast-tracked 13 federal executions. It's like he wanted to kill as many people as he possibly could.

They’re Christian Nationalists who believe the bible must be taken literally!

Literalism is always a fraud because every written work of length contradicts itself and/or leaves room for interpretation. Language is imprecise and a lot of these works were also translated which allows even more opportunity for interpretation.

"Pro-life" (i.e. forced birth) beliefs don't even come from the Bible.

That's not very Christian of them.

Courts are part of the same system. ACAB top to bottom.

You can be released from prison. You can't be un-executed.

I think it sounds worse.