Trump Demands ABC Be Shut Down for Daring to Fact Check Debate
The former president went on ‘Fox & Friends’ to complain that he’d been treated unfairly.
The first time the moderators countered his obvious dog-whistle lies I was absolutely blown away. You could have knocked me over with a feather. Then I started laughing and didn't stop.
The correction was really well done and completely natural by both moderators, I almost didn't register what happened. Love to see it.
Donald's whimpering rebuttal of "but but I saw it on TV" objectively did the most damage to his image of everything I have seen to date.
My favorite moment from the whole thing was when Harris offhandedly mentioned that his rallies were bad, and he spent a full minute of his rebuttal time insisting that his rallies were awesome, then started arguing with the moderators when they fact checked him. You could see that that, above everything else that went on, rankled him. It really highlighted the narcissism.
The thing is, he looked visibly confused. As if he truly believes that the things he sees on TV are absolute truth.
What was it? “The people on TV said it!”
He sounded exactly like my grandmother with dementia the day I walked into her room to her freaking out about the postman stealing her cheerios.
You misspelled refuttal. Orange you embarrassed?
Too bad they let him continue to lie about the thing they just fact checked, let him talk beyond his allotted time, reapond when it wasn't his turn, and shut down Harris the one time she tried to respond out of turn.
The moderators crossed an extremely low bar on fact checking last night, but did everything else the same way they always have.
I support it. They have a job to let viewers know that the radical information is not true, and they should not take it as valid information to get worked up over.
It's the difference between Trump sounding like a maniac vs exposing a controversy. They don't need to stop him from sounding like a maniac. They just need to clarify that he is, in fact, a maniac.
In this case his extra time actually hurt him.
That really showed what a shitbag outfit CNN has become under it’s new conservative ownership group. They are a wolf in sheep’s clothing now.
“I would like to see CNN evolve back to the kind of journalism that it started with, and actually have journalists, which would be unique and refreshing,” he said. Then he suggested a model: “Fox News, in my opinion, has followed an interesting trajectory of trying to have ‘news’ news, I mean some actual journalism, embedded in a program schedule of all opinions.”
Malone’s comments didn’t resonate much beyond a couple of places: At Fox News, which responded with glee, and inside CNN, where they sounded alarm bells.
—New board member and billionaire John Malone, a legend in the cable TV business and one who has deep and longstanding ties with David Zaslav
Yeah the baby executioner bit was gold.
THEY'RE EATING THE DOGS
Link?
They barely even fact checked him in the first place. They called him on a total of, what, three things? As opposed to the probably dozens of other complete untruths he uttered, not even just about policy and so forth but actual empirically verifiable elements of reality?
Here's just what I spotted:
There were probably others.
He also essentially admitted that his plan for the war in Ukraine was to just let Russia win. That should be pretty damn worrisome for anyone.
I wish they had pushed him harder on the simple yes or no questions.
Also, Harris missed a perfect opportunity to point out that Trump has been the only president that has advocated a gun ban. "take the guns and figure out due process later"
That would make him enemies right in the middle of his fandom.
I'm sure he was completely truthful when he said he didn't read Project 2025. It would be very surprising if he read anything besides Mein Kampf.
I learned that what he does actually has a special name. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop
The Gish gallop (/ˈɡɪʃ ˈɡæləp/) is a rhetorical technique in which a person in a debate attempts to overwhelm an opponent by presenting an excessive number of arguments, with no regard for their accuracy or strength, with a rapidity that makes it impossible for the opponent to address them in the time available. Gish galloping prioritizes the quantity of the galloper's arguments at the expense of their quality.
Lied about Kamala being a Border Czar. She led a diplomatic initiative aimed at curbing immigration, she was never directly involved in border matters.
Biden wasn’t a sitting president though.
That's true on a technicality, but everyone knows what he meant. In the 2020 election, Biden got ~7 million more votes than Trump in addition to winning the electoral college. Trump's intent was to be intentionally misleading and to twist the qualifications to imply that he should have won last time when, in fact, he didn't.
Lied about how much aid the US is giving Ukraine and how others are not. Lied about how the aid is given (it's in US made products not in Cash, the money stays in the US).
Wait what? Why would Biden build the nordstream?
Go ask whatever parasite is running the show in Trump's brain - it doesn't make any sense and I remember being very confused by that claim in real time
If you don’t want to be fact checked, maybe don’t repeatedly insist that Florida’s abortion ballot measure will legalize killing newborns.
Already legal in many states, happens every day. Don’t you watch tv?
They should legalize abortion of 78-years old babies imo
The problem is that no one fact checks him in his personal life, so he thinks it’s just a thing his political opponents do. But the reality is that no one thinks it’s worth the time to correct his wrong way of thinking, esp. when he can be a useful idiot and use his wrong ideas to distract from the issues at hand
It drives me crazy knowing that anyone takes this absolute clown seriously.
It drives me crazy that no one asks him normal ass questions. Like: can you elaborate? Can you point at it on a map? Do you know what that word means?
I bet you money he couldn't point out where Haiti is on an unlabeled map of the Caribbean.
Repeat the lies early and often and the general population will eat it up.
Carlin's quotes about average American voter still rings true today.
This was one reason I appreciated Harris repeating "Project 2025" several times. There's likely voters that didn't know about it, and it's possible her saying it enough got it in their heads to look it up. Can you tell I'm trying to be optimistic?
What’s even sadder is that he would 100% be president right now if he didn’t constantly stick his foot in his own mouth.
Everything about Trump makes him one of the most awful human beings alive, and yet he would be the leader of the free world if he wasn’t also incredibly thin-skinned & stupid.
He was gifted a nonpartisan crisis in an election year. He is so dimwitted and inept that he turned it into a wedge issue. He couldn't handle epidemiologists getting attention he wanted.
Should have been locked up ages ago, but seeing him this humiliated almost makes up for it.
Oh no. No, no we have a long way to go before anything makes up for it.
“The press is so dishonest in this country, it’s amazing,” Trump said. “Now, I didn’t mind because frankly I was pretty sure that’s what they would do. CNN was much more honorable—the debate we had with Biden was a much more honorably run debate.”
I felt better about the one where I creamed the senile old guy. The one where a younger, Black, WOMAN was awful.
He also said that the full context of his quotes on Charlottesville make it clear that what he’d said was “absolutely perfect.”
It was a perfect phone call!
Nevertheless, Trump claimed the evening had gone well for him. “I’ve been told I’m a good debater,” he said. “I think it was one of my better debates. Maybe my best debate.”
You're right, you've never done better. Way to go, shithead.
He is steering and planting the thoughts of his believers.
"Maybe my best debate."
Some person: He must have done really well if he thinks about it that way.
He's a Master Debater
“I’ve been told I’m a good debater,” he said. “I think it was one of my better debates. Maybe my best debate.”
Hmm, this is suspiciously good grammar.
Eat a dick, cunt.
well, cunts tend to do just that
Vagina dentata that dick, cunt?
Shut HIM down. Lying sack of shit fully believes his own shit. That is strongly indicative of mental deviance enough to disqualify any politician
Ah the ol' George Costanza method.
"It's not a lie... If you believe it."
I demand the shitgibbon be shutdown. Did you hear me? I demanded it!
I declare it!
Don't worry Mr. Orange, I called emergency services for you.
Well I demand trump be shut down. For being too old and senile! Bye dementia don
He's such a whiner.
I'm not sure there were opportunities to fact check harris and the one point where trump said it was disproven the "fact check" basically takes trump at his word that trump wasnt talking about the nazis.
Which is a black mark on snopes for allowing an unprovable statement as a fact by a guy known to lie and walk back his missteps.
That's something a dictator would do. 🤔
i would really like to see someone successfully debate MAGA republicans that trump is unfit for office by reason of either, delusion, or insanity. That or concede that they are either, fascist, or equally deluded and insane.
The line of reasoning is very simple. It piggybacks off of the J6 report, which lines up the argument that there is no world in which trump knew that what he was doing on J6 was legal. The only presented alternative is that the entirety of the federal government is corrupt, and somehow only trump knows this, which is obviously indefensible. So it must follow that trump is either delusional, and unfit for office, or genuinely insane, and also unfit for office.
Therefore, if you don't think that trump is insane, and unfit for office, you are either, fascist, or insane and equally delusional. There is no alternative reality, because any alternative reality hinges completely on the concept of the entire federal government being entirely corrupt. Which is unfalsifiable and arguably, not possible.
If you support trump in 2024, you are one of three things, stupid, delusional, or fascist. There is no other option. This is categorically provable.
if conservatives will concede this point, i will agree with them on the take of biden being unfit for office, however they will literally never cede this, as they are fucking delusional.
That vile removed! “You were talking about the economy!” Let him say what the fuck he was talking about. Take off the baby gloves.
Nope. Won’t do it. He wins and your ratings go up.
No matter how tempting, if this asshole wins I will not click a single post or video passed around by Fox News.
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Crying 45 keeps on crying. The orange shitstain should shove off to Moscow and take all the MAGATs with him.