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Tuesday 9/10 Presidential Debate Megathread!

Was tempted to call this "Debate 2: Electric Boogaloo" but a) A lot of Lemmy won't get the OG reference. and 2) "Boogaloo" has been co-opted and carries an unfortunate connotation these days.

Also, while it's Trump's 2nd debate of the season, it's Harris's first...

It's being run by ABC News at 9 PM Eastern time, 6 PM Pacific, I see MSNBC starts their coverage TWO HOURS EARLY. That's a lot of air time to fill, guys. Good luck!

Live updates, how and when to watch, debate rules, etc. here:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/09/10/debate-trump-harris-2024-live-updates/75145043007/

Link to the first debate thread here:

https://lemmy.world/post/16973660

That't it! Thanks for hanging with it everbody!

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  • "I have the concepts of a plan. I'm not president right now!"

    Holy shit, dude. You biffed that one hard.

  • “Now she wants to do transgender operations on illegal aliens that are in prison.”

    — Former President Donald J. Trump

  • So here are my thoughts:

    • First, the obvious: Harris won handily. She was in her element, and just thoroughly excoriated Trump at every turn, while maintaining an optimistic tone.
    • But at the same time, Trump is probably not losing any of his base over his abysmal performance. Most of them probably didn't watch, and the few that did probably tuned out in favor of reading conservative bloggers' desperate spinning about halfway through.
    • The real question is how off-putting he's been for undecideds. He was pretty bad, but I'm aware enough of my own biases to wonder exactly how bad his behavior looks to undecideds.
    • On the issues, Harris didn't really have a stumble. I was pleasantly surprised by how well she handled the issue of Israel/Palestine, for example.
    • The moderators get a B for following up questions, a C- for mic handling, and an A- for calling it out when Trump's bizarre, rambling bullshit failed to even vaguely resemble an answer.

    All in all, I didn't hate this (other than the sound of Trump's face hole).

  • From where I was sitting, it seemed like Harris beat the ever-loving-shit out him. He took every piece of bait she laid out. I'm not the target though, so I hope undecideds saw what I saw.

    1. “Boogaloo” has been co-opted and carries an unfortunate connotation these days.

    I'm nowhere near ready to give up the fight on this one. Those bastards can pry "[Anything] 2: Electric Boogaloo" from my cold, dead hands.

  • Really good energy this time around, but Jesus, Trump is exhausting to listen to. No wonder crowds leave his rallies early. :)

    Edit: Muted him, but I can hear my wife in the other room yelling "OH FUCK YOU!!!"

  • I live near Detroit. They are building an auto factory down the street from me where the Pistons used to play. That's not in Mexico

  • In case anyone has forgotten re Afghanistan:

    Trump admitted that it was his own doing:

    speaking at a rally on 26 June [2021, he] even stated that he “started the process” and claimed Biden “couldn’t stop it” if he “wanted to”.

  • Just wish moderators would have the spine to hold Trump to the rules and just keep his mic muted and move on.

    Maybe it is in the benefit of Harris given his rambling but I don't know.

  • "President Trump, thank you" sounds more and more like "Shut the fuck up now, removed" every time a moderator says it.

  • I understand now why rich people want Trump in office, he’s soft headed and will say or believe anything they want. They basically stroke his ego to get what they want

  • Here's what I expect:

    For Harris to "win": She needs to be able to go toe to toe with Trump. Any stuttering, nervousness, or uneasiness will be preyed upon, both immediately by Trump and afterwards in soundbytes and attack ads. She cannot have a "......we finally beat medicaid!" moment. She needs to show that she can stand up to him and give it as good as she can get it in real time. She is definitely at a bigger risk here. Trump will gaffe every 30 seconds and nobody will bat an eye. One gaffe by Harris could cost her the election. Trump will be spouting his firehose of lies while Harris won't be able to fact-check 1% in real time. Harris needs to be pretty much perfect from start to finish. Any mistakes can and will be exploited.

    For Trump to "win": Expectations are really low here. He's not trying to reach new voters. He opely says he doesn't care about policy. He is doubling down on the racism and misogyny of his base. All he needs to do is control the narrative. Ignore the rules, talk louder, interrupt mid-sentence. It doesn't matter what gibberish he vomits out of his mouth. None of it will cause him to lose a vote. All he needs to do is dictate the narrative and pace of the debate. He solidifies his position among his base as the mysoginist who will put women back where they belong, and gives undecided voters doubt about whether she will be able to handle the pressure. I think as long as Trump forces everybody to play his games by his rules as he usually does, it'll be a "victory" for him. Or at the very least a tie. As long as he can portray himself as the strongman going forward, he's really got nothing to lose.

  • Apparently, Taylor Swift just responded to AI fakes of her supporting Trump by formally endorsing Harris.

  • Notice he says he wants the war to end. Not that he wants Russia out of Ukraine. He wants the war to end with Russia getting what Putin wants.

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