Burning Up
Burning Up
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When you use Celsius from birth 41C does make you say FORTY ONE DEGREES?!!!
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100%
It's just Americans having American perspectives promoted as world views.
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brother, that's what a world view is lmao, do you not understand this concept?
Most of us don't really go anywhere outside of the US, the entire continental US is the literal equivalent of the collective EU. What do you want me to say? I literally don't need to leave to US to experience something geographically unique.
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On the other hand, if it was 107°C outside, the outrage would be so much more justified.
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But much less vocal.
You know, because we'd all be dead.
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No, he's right. The "one hundred" part really does add certain powers, Austin Powers
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It's that extra "one" of incredulity.
40 degrees, that's just too hot.
41? You've got to be fucking kidding me.
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In Australia we go with "Farkin hot"
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By that metric, kelvin would be even better though.
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by that metric
Americans cannot understand any metric
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You miss out on screaming that it's negative anything though.
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And Rankine would be even better than Kelvin in terms of "big number go brrr." Water boils at 671 R.
Of course, Rankine is the most obnoxious unit I've ever had to deal with, but those numbers sure are big!
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You mean it's THREE HUNDRED AND FOURTEEN FUCKING DEGREES OUTSIDE?!
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OK, but with Rankine, if it's 101 out, you can go Five Hundred and SIXTY degrees??!
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Please raise this temperature by 1.4x10^-23 Joules - statements of the utterly deranged
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Joules are energy. You need thermal capacity to turn them into temperature.
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“Kelvin” sounds a lot like “communism” you pinko
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For proof that this thread is just people justifying what they know as better somehow, look no further than Canada.
We do cooking temps in Fahrenheit, weather in Celsius. Human weights in pounds, but never pounds and oz. Food weights in grams, cooking weights in pounds and oz. Liquid volume in millilitres and litres, but cooking in cups, teaspoons and tablespoons. Speed & distance in kilometres, heights in feet and inches.
Try and give this any consistency and people will look at you like you’re fucked. The next town is 100km over, I’m 5ft 10in, a can of soda is 355ml, it’s 21c out and I have the oven roasting something at 400f. Tell me it’s 68f out and I will fight you.
People like what they are used to, and will bend over backwards to justify it. This becomes blatantly obvious when you use a random mix of units like we do, because you realize that all that matters is mental scale.
If Fahrenheit is “how people feel” then why are feet useful measurements of height when 90% of people are between 4ft and 6ft? They aren’t. You just know the scale in your head, so when someone says they’re 7ft tall you say “dang that’s tall”. That’s it.
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We do cooking temps in Fahrenheit, weather in Celsius.
Fahrenheit: let's use "really cold weather" as zero and "really hot weather" as 100.
Celsius: let's use "freezing water" as zero, and "boiling water" as 100.
Canucks:
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Fahrenheit: let's use "really cold weather" as zero and really hot weather as 100.
I don't really have a horse in this race but this logic doesn't seem legit to me.
How is -17°C really cold weather AND 37°C really hot weather?
One is actively trying to kill you if weren't already dead by the time the weather got that bad. The other just makes your nuts stick to your thighs -- if you're in a humid place.
I'd agree with the logic if 100F was equal to something like 65°C. 🤷♂️
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Celsius is for scientists and nerds, Fahrenheit is for normal idiots. It's not rocket surgery.
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This makes a lot of sense, and why I'd never survive in Canada.
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As a Canadian idk why your using us an an example, we are wrong to do so and we blame Americans for giving us this bad habit.
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I just see it positively and choose to believe you're in the process of transitioning to enlightenment (metric). ;)
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Outdoor temperature in °C, unless you're talking about an outdoor pool then it's often enough °F :-)
I think part of the reasons it's so mixed might just be due to how many Amero-centric devices and parts are common between the two countries.
Y'all can take your shitty Phillips screws though. Roberts is by far superior ;-)
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Imagine weighing people as big rocks, though.
Until the UK changes that, us Americans and Canadians can rest assured that nothing we are doing is quite that ridiculous.
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Tell me it’s 68f out and I will fight you.
Note to self: High heat levels make Canadians cranky.
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then why are feet useful measurements of height when 90% of people are between 4ft and 6ft? They aren’t. You just know the scale in your head, so when someone says they’re 7ft tall you say “dang that’s tall”. That’s it.
to be clear, we use feet and inches, and there is historical precedent for breaking things down once they get past a certain grouping, we only have 10 fingers after all. To me the difference between 200cm and 220 is literally fuck all. You ask me the difference between 4 ft and 6ft and i can pretty quickly tell you.
I find it weird that when measuring height in metric, people using cm exclusively, i've noticed this a lot actually, people will use cm or mm in places where it arguably doesn't make any sense. I could see the justification for doing math maybe, but like, that defeats the whole point of it being metric no?
Shouldn't you be using meters and cm for height specifically? Since most people are a good bit over one meter i feel like it would make sense to do it that way. But then again that's just kind of a shit bucket worth of options you have, ideally you would use decimeters, but nobody uses those things for some reason.
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I find it weird that when measuring height in metric, people using cm exclusively, i’ve noticed this a lot actually, people will use cm or mm in places where it arguably doesn’t make any sense. I could see the justification for doing math maybe, but like, that defeats the whole point of it being metric no?
Why is that defeating the whole point of being metric? If you know someone is 183 cm tall, you also know that they are 1.83 m tall. If its easier to say the length in cm, you do. No need for "one meter and eighty-three centimeters" or "one point eighty-three meters", just "a hundred and eighty-three centimeters". Often you just skip saying the "centimeters" part as well, because most people can see that you're not the size of a skyscraper without getting a ruler out.
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If Fahrenheit is “how people feel” then why are feet useful measurements of height when 90% of people are between 4ft and 6ft?
Those are two different things. Hope this helps.
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The only good thing about Fahrenheit is that 69 degrees (20.5 C) is a nice temperature.
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And you can bake things at 420
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You can make the temperature dial of an oven have matching degrees of rotation and degrees Celcius.
Turn the dial to point straight down to bake at 180°
Turn it 3/4 of the way to cook a pizza at 270°
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Also it's a 0-100 scale of how hot it is outside, and it requires no prior understanding to use it as such.
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Exactly. Fahrenheit is just metric weather.
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By that logic, Americans should use km/h instead of mph. Going 0-100 is much better than 0-60. For the same reason you keep telling us why Fahrenheit is so much more intuitive.
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Actually, it's the other way around. 100 degrees F weather is really hot. Driving 100 MPH is really fast.
In metric we have 40 degrees C weather is really hot, and driving....uhhh... (gets out a calculator)... 160 km/h is really fast.
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Uhh and 100 ° C is also really hot.
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100°C is where you shouldn't touch it anymore and 100 to 120 km/h is the speed limit about everywhere except germany.
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100mph is like, actually kinda spooky though. 100 kmh isn't spooky. Also 60mph ties nicely into the seconds/minutes/hours time dichotomy, which is fun.
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TWO HUNDRED AND SEVETY THREE KELVIN I'M FREEZING
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41°C sounds terrifying to me
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Where i live it can go up to 53°C in the summer. In summer when there is a streak of very hot days and there's like a 41°C day, you will hear people out saying " oh, today it's quite cool, that's nice!"
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At 64°C wax melts. 53 is quite hot.
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Sounds like a great time to propose my system of temperature: Super Celsius. I'll connect it to the freezing and boiling points of water just like Celsius, but while freezing remains at 0, boiling is now 1000. Get ready for a nice mild day of 250.
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we could use the freezing and boiling points of humans, for a change
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but is that dead or (at least recently) alive humans? for dead humans that's about the same as just straight up water isn't it?
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Finally, change I can believe in
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That's overboard; You're fine just multiplying your Celsius by 2.75.
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And kelvin is just -273
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Lets ditch base10 entirely and use 0(freezing)-216(boiling). that means 0-1000 in base6.
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No, we should go back to the ancientBabylonian base-60 system. So a chilly 30°F day would be ⟨⟨⟨°B (B for Babylonian) and a scorching 100°F is ||-°B, or ↓↓→°B if you like. There's not really a solid way to write cuneiform on a cell phone keyboard.
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Once again... the classic argument of: "Well, I grew up using this system, and I'm used to the system. I have built an internal intuition for how hot and cold the temperature is. I am used to >100 being hot! 40 is not hot!"
Well then. I grew up using celcius and... "IT'S FOURTY FUCKING ONE DEGREES OUTSIDE?" sounds just as hot.
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Yeah, I grew up in Fahren-wasteland, but have lived in Celsi-heaven for 7 years. I embraced it, and now when someone says "40 FUCKING DEGREES!!" I know exactly what they're talking about. It's hot. You probably don't have an air con. It's misery.
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Yeah, but you can't argue that adding a whole digit doesn't make it seem bigger. And take a kid who doesn't yet know either system. They for sure will think 107 is hotter then 41. That said, I wish everywhere that gave a temp in the US would give both so I could get a better sense of Celsius. Most apps and such let you choose one or the other, but not both.
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On the other hand it dilutes the effect of lower values because a lot of them are double digit. 20F, 40F, 60F... all double digit, but wildly varying. On the other hand, with Celsius you get:
- Below 0: There's ice/snow.
- 0: Things are freezing/thawing (depending on what the temperature was before.
- 10s (Spring): T-shirt weather.
- 10s (Fall): Sweater weather.
- 20s: Nice in the sun.
- 30s: Nice in the shade.
- 40s: THIS IS PUNISHMENT FOR OUR HUBRIS.
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it's not about what makes more sense: what makes more sense is what you use everyday and is natural to you. 40+ C is freaking hot because when you experience it, it's freaking hot. It's about what the entire rest of the world is using as a standard.
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Metric system is best system, no exceptions.
Anything over 40°C is fuckin' hot, anything under 4°C is fuckin' cold.
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I'd argue anything over 30°C is hot, but yes.
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Curious where you live, 4C would be just below t-shirt weather for me.
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honestly in most of europe even thirty degrees is fucking hot, here in the nordics 25°C is considered too hot
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In Ali Baba and the 40 Thieves, the number of thieves wasn't really necessarily 40. The number was likely just chosen because 40 was an exaggerated number, much like when we'd say "I've told you a hundred million times". So 40 as a shorthand for "a huge amount" seems fitting in celcius.
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This fairy tale is collected in a frame story in One Thousand and One Nights. Maybe the number of nights were also exaggerated...
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Strange, because it is bullshit.
Fahrenheit isn't how people feel, otherwise 50° would be perfect temperature.
You Americans are just used to thinking in Fahrenheit, that is why you think it is how humans feel. As a European, I "feel" in Celsius.
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Fahrenheit literally meant to base the scale with 100 being human body temp.
It was later rescaled by Cavendish to put the freezing point of water at exactly 32 and boiling point at exactly 212, giving a nicely-divisible 180-degree separation between freezing and boiling. That shift is why body temperature is 98.6.
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otherwise 50° would be perfect temperature.
I love it when it's 50ish out and sunny. You don't get all sweaty, plus you can wear cozy socks and sweaters or just go out in short sleeves and both are perfectly fine. The bugs all start going into hiding at that temperature but the grass and leaves are still green
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As a European I can perfectly feel the 0 degree. I step outside and 5 seconds later I can tell you if it's below zero or not.
For me "it's now really hot" in summer is exactly when it's over 30C. It being 86F doesn't make any more sense. Approximately above 35C I will avoid going outside. Which would be 95F, not 100. From here, the temps in summer in the south of Europe are often around 100F at peak. Above or below doesn't matter.
All that Fahrenheit scale is good for is if you live in a continental climate, more to the south, e.g. some useless place like Oklahoma, where 0F is approximately year low, and 100F is approximately year high.
For all other places, where the temperature delta over the course of the year is not as extreme, this Fahrenheit scale is as unintuitive as celcius, e.g. you just get used to it.
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As is typically responded to this 'response': there are a large number of people-many European-who would unironically say that 50°F (10°C) is, in fact, the ideal temperature.
They're wrong, of course, but they exist.
But you're also assuming that the exact middle of the range is where the ideal sweet spot should be. That's wrong. People generally can better handle larger temperature deviations that are colder than their ideal than hotter deviations.
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Fahrenheit isn’t how people feel, otherwise 50° would be perfect temperature.
it is though? It's like perfectly comfortable because you can dress up just enough to where you're actually wearing a decent bit of clothing, but you can also dress down to a pretty light set of clothing as well.
This is also ignoring that this is both, arbitrary, and also completely subjective to the person.
The human body might end up liking 70f more than 50f, purely because it's 96f inside the body, so something lower to allow heat transfer, but not low enough to be physically uncomfortable would be more expected.
Actually, here's a good question, why do you land on the 50f point? Are you expecting the middle to be the most optimal point of perfection? Or is this just a metric brain thing?
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What annoys me about that phrasing, is that "how water feels" is quite relevant to how humans feel.
The obvious example is that if it's below 0°C, it starts freezing, which causes slippery sidewalks, snow, dry air, all that stuff.
But just in general having a feeling how much water will evaporate and later precipitate at certain temperatures, and even stuff like how hot beverages and cooking temperatures are, it's all still relevant for humans...-
Humans are mostly water. If water boils, then humans will mostly boil too.
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The obvious example is that if it’s below 0°C, it starts freezing, which causes slippery sidewalks, snow, dry air, all that stuff. But just in general having a feeling how much water will evaporate and later precipitate at certain temperatures, and even stuff like how hot beverages and cooking temperatures are, it’s all still relevant for humans…
that's an interesting idea, BUT, the boiling point for water also exists under f as well, it's just 212 f, which if you want to round for convenience, is 200f. 100f is just about half the boiling point of water.
I guess you celsius folks might be more water pilled than the average US citizen, but it's not like it's impossible.
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Fahrenheit is literally a German dude making a scale from, "scheiße its chilly outside" to "oh mein gott, its hot out!"
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Yeah. But Celsius refers to inside room temperatures. 0°C = yay, ice skating! 100°C = yay, sauna!
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Temperature doesn’t care about your feelings.
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Oh, how rude.
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Their friend is a dumbass though.
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EDIT: replied to wrong comment
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That's why I only use Kelvin. 314.15 sounds like 3 times more "WTF HOW HOT IS TODAY??!?" than your paltry 107
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Forty-one sounds insanely hot as an outside temperature if that's the standard you're used to. And that's the thing that the Fahrentards refuse to wrap their head around.
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Fahernhaters are always like, "nooo!! 40 degrees is so hot!!" Meanwhile, the fahrenchad's resting body temperature is nearly 2.5 times hotter. All fahernhaters would die at that temperature.
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Ah America, bigger is always a better isn’t it?
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In fairness, that isn't just America. It's kind of a male thing. Lol
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IT'S OVER THREE HUNDRED KELVIIIIIIIIIIN!
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I present the temperature scale that I made up- the Human Scale (H°)
I thought about the Fahrenheit vs Celsius debate, and I think both have practical uses, however I think combined they could make a very practical scale.
Fahrenheit: while my American sensibilities agree that 100° is a good marker for what % of my patience is used up to cut a removed, I think a similar place would be the average human body temperature. For this reason, 100°H = 98.6°F . It's not a perfect match, but it can still give us the satisfaction of "IT'S 100°!?" while having practical implications for medical uses "your body temperature is 102°, 2° warmer than average".
Celsius: I think this scale makes a ton of sense for colder temperatures. When the thermometer reads 0°, that's when you can expect snow. For this reason, 0°H = 0°C.
The conversation rates are:
H = (F-32) × 1.5
H= C × 2.7
More precise is
H = (F-32) × 1.501501501...
H = C × 2.7027027027...
While using the freezing point of water and the average human body temperature seem like inconsistent and arbitrary benchmarks, my goal is less about consistency and more about practicality for everyday use.
Now watch this scale grow as big as Esperanto.
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This.... Is actually a pretty good idea.
There's a few meme images around that Celsius is how water "feels" and Fahrenheit is how people feel (and Kelvin is how atoms feel), which isn't entirely off base....
But frankly, I would support human scale more than Fahrenheit. I live in a country with Celsius, and my only real gripe with it is that whole degrees are not very precise. You have to go to half-degrees, or even 1/10th of a degree to get reasonable precision on temperature.
Just seems like the human scale would work well for 90% of use cases, aside from science where we should be using either Celsius or Kelvin.
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I believe the Fahrenheit scale was originally set up for 100° to be human body temperature. We're just built colder now I guess? I had to look up what zero was and apparently he originally set it at the coldest the air had ever been around his village, but later had to standardize it and so cooked up some brine that froze at 0°.
I would propose that 100 should be calibrated around the wet bulb temperature, which I think is around 105°F but varies with humidity. That's the temperature where sweating doesn't cool you off any more, so any temperature 100 or more is deadly to most people. I like 0 being freezing for water, seems sensible and is also a good "prolonged exposure to this or lower will kill you" cutoff point.
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the wet bulb temperature1 is just the temperature of a wet thermometer, and varies with humidity and temperature. Wet bulb temp is never higher than the dry bulb temp, so (entertainingly) you're proposing that the meaning of 100° varies wildly and is always lower than the true temperature, effectively making the air temperature always ≥100°, and increases when the air is drier, like some sort of inverse relative humidity.
1(I'm aware you probably didn't mean wet bulb temperature here, but let's have fun with the idea) :)
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This is great! It's gonna be as big as The Swatch .beat!
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the problem is that the average body temperature is slowly decreasing, so this isn't that well defined, we would need to link it to an event that is at constant temperature
also the celsius scale isn't that good imo because it's about the freezing and boiling of water at ambient pressure so it isn't universal
I say we set the boltzmann constant to a known value, and define temperatures from there
after that we find a range of temperature with useful round values and offset the scale for everyday use
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So I had to look up the Boltzmann constant and... That's a lot of math.
I think you have a point on the decreasing human temperature. It looks like the decrease is at 0.05°F every decade, which actually is quite a bit. If it was something like 0.005°F, I'd say that that's a problem for the people of the year 2500 to solve.
That said, the reason it's been decreasing seems to be due to medical advances and not some change in the Earth's gravity or climate change. I would be surprised to see humans in the year 2500 having an average body temperature of 72.9°F, or closing in on 0°F in the year 3,984. I imagine there will be fluctuations, but there's got to be a lower limit to what is physically possible.
I'd still defend the Celsius number, since even though there are changes due to air pressure, it's changing over space and not time. In the year 2500, water at sea level will still freeze at 0°C.
I think my big thing is I'm less concerned about a logically consistent scale, and more towards a scale that's geared to the emotional side of temperature.
Thinking outloud moment
If we are going for the emotional side of temperature specifically, we would also need to factor in wind, humidity, sunlight, what season it is, etc. and that's a lot of variables, and even then that's how you get the wind-chill factor. But even that is almost completely subjective. I feel like that scale would go from "IT'S GOTTA BE NEGATIVE A MILLION FUCKIN' DEGREES" to "I FEEL LIKE IM ON THE SURFACE OF THE SUN, so like a bazillion degrees" and then we go to the traffic report.
Either way, it's not a perfect scale, but I'd still take that over the other two.
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good point, but to us Celsius fans or "Celsilovers" over one hundred sounds like the apocalypse.
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I am being forced to learn celsius by my non American friends. Call me an incelsius.
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Which is the closest thing to a legitimate criticism of celcius that exists. The entire top half of the scale (everything over ~50°, that is) is pretty much useless as far as judging the weather is concerned.
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Fuck it. I'm inventing a new scale.
Behold! "Disagree Degrees". We're going to combine the best traits of the other units. No more searching for the stupid little degree character in the character map. D for degrees or disagrees - whatever, I don't give a shit.
0D = 0K (Like Kelvin, no negatives! That's so dumb!) 0.4D = -40 C and -40 F 1D = Water Freezing point (Need a consistent point of scale) 10D = "Pleasant temperature" 100D = Kind of hot 500D = Really hot for people (>40C or >100F) "It's like 500 disagrees out there!" 1000D= Water boiling (To match the freezing temp) 1,000,000,000,000D = Surface of the sun
Good luck on the math converting to other units, this temperature scale isn't about being useful for nerd stuff, it's all about appealing to our emotions.
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I hate that I agree with this lol
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What? 100°F is too mild. It doesn't even boil water!
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mild in what way? Do you live in death valley??? Have you ever experienced 100f? You can literally get heat exhaustion, and heat stroke from temperatures of 110f pretty easily if you aren't watching yourself, we remind ourselves of this constantly anytime it gets hot.
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mild in what way?
It doesn't even boil water.
Have you ever experienced 100f?
It's slightly above my core body temperature. So yes, literally I experience it all the time.
You can literally get heat exhaustion, and heat stroke from temperatures of 110f pretty easily
Sauna. It's literally boiled water. And it's pretty safe for average human.
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I think the reason people are saying that Fahrenheit "feels" right is because we use a base 10 number system. 1-10 and 0%-100% feel right to us because of this. If you somehow knew nothing about each temperature unit, but you did know base 10, I feel like Fahrenheit would be more intuitive. Obviously if you grew up with Celsius that would feel normal.
Disclaimer: I feel like the US needs to adopt metric already. It's so much better.
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Use the same logic to use km/h then.
0 to 100 is better than 0 to 60.
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60mph/97kmh is not that fast, though. 90mph/157kmh is pretty fast.
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If you somehow knew nothing about each temperature unit, but you did know base 10, I feel like Fahrenheit would be more intuitive.
Would it though? Because it's not like people who didn't grew up with Fahrenheit can just intuitively use and interpret it. Maybe base ten is "more intuitive", but I'd argue not to any meaningful degree. Both scales have to be explained, experienced, and tied to personal reference points.
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In the end it's the humidity that gets you
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That's just regional though. Not much humidity in a lot of California. Not much humidity in Oregon, though there can be some. Fair amount of humidity in Wisconsin. Lots of humidity in Florida.
But one universal truth between all 4 of those states, despite the humidity, is when it's 107 fucking degrees!?
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I hate "but its a dry heat" people. At 95, maybe. At 107, fuck you 107 is 107.
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While I agree 107 is 107 and it sucks regardless, at like 30% humidity my sweat can evaporated and do it's job of keeping me cooler, at 98% humidity your sweat has a much much harder time evaporating and it actively feels hotter. The time I spent living in Florida taught me that yes dry heat is absolutely better.
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celsius is the yelp of temperature ratings
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I like the saying "Fahrenheit is what you feel, Celsius is what water feels, and Kelvin is what the universe feels".
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Fahrenheit is what Americans feel, Celsius is what everyone else feels, and Kelvin is just Celsius +273.
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Fahrenheit is what everyone feels. It's a scale of 0 to 100 of how hot it is outside. Excluding extreme outliers, it covers the range of temperatures the average human might experience. In Celsius that's like -20 to 40. I personally use Celsius anyway, because I don't consider it much of an inconvenience, but Fahrenheit is certainly the more human-centric scale.
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Fahrenheit is what that one German town's lowest air temperature measured back in 1708.
If fahrenheit was what humans felt, then 50° would be room temperature.
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“Bigger number is more better” also explains American sports where you get 3 points for running a bit and then play stops for an ad break and the national anthem.
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I mean... assuming you're talking about American football, there's at least one scoring move that awards one point, so it makes sense for more difficult scoring moves to give more points. The harder the action is to complete, the more points you get for doing it.
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FOUR THOUSAND ONE HUNDRED MILLICELCIUS?!
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You're saying this one goes up to eleven ?
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Use Kelvin then, 314°K is a way bigger number
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No °, just K
314 K
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No one is gonna post this vid?!?
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Nice vid. He isn't wrong. Though maybe we could come up with a compromise temperature scale for everyone to use. Even 100 F isn't as uncommon as it used to be. But I would love to have more granularity without decimals.
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41° is "mild" to me as a Celsius user only because my country is too fucking hot in the first place.
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The real reason Fahrenheit will never die!
https://youtu.be/nROK4cjQVXM
(Finnemore's conversation between Farenheit and Celsius)
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I'm gonna be honest. I love Celsius for the the whole perfect math reasons with calories and water based measurement...
But the curve on temps is a pain when all the nice temperatures require using a decimal place to decide just how slightly above or below pleasant it is but cold is basically everything from 16°C to -30°C And then decimals really matter when hotter than pleasant temps.
Whole rounded integers are just so vastly different depending how high or low you are in Celsius.
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I don't know man, I've lived my entire life in a country that only uses Celsius and I've never seen a single place or person using decimals to display temperature we always use whole numbers.
I get your point but the difference in 1 degree in Celsius is still very insignificant to the point we don't really need decimals at all.
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My thermostat increments by 0.5c
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My digital thermometers all uses decimals.
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Just use Kelvin. Problem solved.
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Planck Temperature Units, everything else is a corollary fantasy
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Or be chaotic and use Rankine
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K users
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YOU'RE BOILING?!?
Oh, you're just an inbecile who likes to prove the movie Idiocracy is actually a documentary.
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Celsius peopke are cold blooded.
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0 Degrees Farenhight = very cold, 100 Defrees Farenhight = very hot
0 Degrees Celcius = very cold, 100 Degrees Celcius = dead
0 Degrees Kelvin = dead, 100 Degrees Kelvin = also dead...
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100°F broken sauna.
100°C sauna is fine.
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Jsyk, Kelvin doesn't use degrees, they just use Kelvin. Good to know so nerds won't get mad at you :)
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ITT: Europeans tie their personal identity to an arbitrary scale for the expression of mean entropy.
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It's no just Wuropeans, but the majority of the world
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But really it is much better for human temperatures.
It's just intuitive, 0F is 100% cold, and 100F is 100% hot.
When the dry bulb gets above 100F, wind only cools you down by sweat evaporation, and when the wet bulb gets above 100F, even that can't cool you down, and you will die if you don't get to a cooler or drier environment.
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"Intuitive" is a meaningless metric for a single scaled number. Whichever system you are used to will be the more "intuitive".
Also, climate can play into which system feels more useful. Where I live, 100F occurs only rarely (and since air conditioning is almost ubiquitous, not something I'd bother looking out for), while 0C is an outdoor temperature that I do need to be aware of for half the year.
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I disagree that either would be just as intuitive. Fahrenheit being 0=cold and 100=hot is intuitive because there are a lot of things we do in the world that exist on a scale of 0 - 100. Percentages, just off the bat. Also, fahrenheit has a higher degree of fidelity in the temperature range that we use.
Celsius's general temperature scale is like -10 - 40 which is absolutely not intuitive because it doesn't look like any other scale we use as humans. I agree that we get used to Celsius fast and it's a fine it's not like it's super confusing (and Celsius is so much more useful scientifically).
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Being 41% of the way to boiling water sounds pretty hot to me, too.
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0F is 100% cold, and 100F is 100% hot.
So 50% is perfect temperature, no?
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When I was out in SD recently the temperature was reaching 100F or above frequently and it sucked but it wasn't that bad. Where I live in Cali and it gets that hot by the beach with humidity well into the 70% range sometimes I literally felt like I was about to die just sitting inside with a fan blowing right at me. Humidity is such a huge factor.
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Is 50°F 50% cold or 50% hot?
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Fahrenheit is such a nice system. 0 is really, really cold and 100 is really really hot. So 50 must just be perfect, right?
Way more intuitive then Celsius.
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It is intuitive because you are used to it.
Also isn't 101 also really really hot? Or what about 99? And how about 1, isn't that also really really cold? It is an arbitrary frame of reference you have set up in an attempt to make a non-intuitive system more easily accesible.
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I'm not understanding your counterpoint... it's a scale no matter which system you use?
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Lol it is the same reason why you all argue for metric though? Celsius is random numbers nonsense. Fahrenheit is a scale that makes sense. 0 freeze, 100 boil. Don't you metric heads love that shit or you just lying the whole time?
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Fahrenheit is best for ambient temperatures. 0 F is what humans feel is a very cold day, and 100 F is what humans feel is a very hot day.
Celsius is best for literally everything else, but for humans feeling of ambient temperature Fahrenheit is best
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only if you grow up with fahrenheit.
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100F was defined as the human body temperature (The guy they used had a cold or something so it's off by a degree and a half.)
That's useful for perception of heat. When the dry bulb gets above 100F, wind only cools you down by sweat evaporation, and when the wet bulb gets above 100F, even that can’t cool you down, and you will die if you don’t get to a cooler or drier environment.
This is more intuitive than 36.5C.
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Um. No.
If I said a movie was a 7/10, you would understand what that means because it's a scale. You don't have to "grow up" using a 0-10 scale to understand it.
Like if I asked you to rate something on a scale of 4-17, you'd understand what I mean. The numbers are different but the concept of a scale remains the same.
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this is so true, but the thing the celsiouds won't understand, that the farenheitoids haven't realized, is that the celsius users die (not literally) in heat of about 85 f which for any fahrenheit user is, literally a nice summer day.
EDIT: i'm making a joke about the UK heat waves, since people don't seem to realize that.
It has LAYERS!
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Humidity plays a big part of that I think. Like, don't older folks start dropping in England around 85-90f because of the humidity there? In Phoenix 107 sucks hard, but it's dry so you can still effectively cool off.
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the humidity certainly doesn't help, but believe it or not, it gets humid here in the US too. We get high humidity 85f days out here, if you're doing yard work, whatever clothing you're wearing is literally going to be soaked in sweat, it's not funny.
The bigger problem in some cases, is that european houses are designed differently to american houses, so the houses tended to be unbearably warm unless they had AC. Though a lot of people were still losing it with how hot 85f was outside.
Dry heat is "nicer" only in the sense that at the same temperature, you sweat less. That's it, 100f compared to 80f and humid, both are equally shit, one is just going to drench you in sweat and make you feel disgusting, while the other is going to exhaust you, drench you in sweat, and leave you feeling dry. With wet sticky clothing.
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People in Egypt, Turkey, India, Philippine, etc, etc, etc die in 29.5°C heat? That's news to me.
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the joke here is people in the UK experiencing a heat wave. Guess i didn't make that clear enough.
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People in countries with much much hotter climates than the US use celsius, because most of the rest of the world uses celsius.
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the US also has hot climates though? Have you looked the coverage of latitude that the US has? We have everything from directly on the equator, to about as near the north pole as you can get.
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Freezing water at 0 and boiling water as 100 simplifies things a lot but also doesn't make sense when it comes to things like weather, like, what am I supposed to wear outside when it's 23 degrees?
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what am I supposed to wear outside when it's 23 degrees?
Shorts, T-shirt and flip-flops, or
Short sleeve shirt (Hawaii style), linen trousers, moccasins.
Something along those lines would be good at 23o C.
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30 is hot, 20 is nice, 10 is chilly, and 0 is ice
Picked it up from a guy who teaches Latin on YouTube of all places
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As a lifelong celcius user I have a very intuitive sense of how 23 degrees celcius feels. I have no intuitive sense of how 50 degrees Fahrenheit feels.
If you're used to a system then it's intuitive.
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I'm used to it, it's fine.
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0°C means that weather starts to be icy and you need to be careful when driving.
20°C is mild warm. 30°C is hot. 100°C is sauna.
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would someone explain to me why whenever european people are confronted with the idea of the imperial system their brain seems to shutdown into a slow state of oxygen preservation? I genuinely don't understand it.
"40c in f is 104????" yeah, round it, its 100f, you think we specify to the Nth degree here?
"86f doesn't really make sense" yeah, round it. 90 is pretty close, and who boy 90s are pretty hot.
"why isn't 50f the perfect temperature" you're literally just applying an arbitrary point on something entirely arbitrary. But ok. (also it is the perfect temperature range between 50-70f)
"how is -17c and 37c cold and hot???" literally round it bro, -20 and 40c are right there wow look at that now it makes more sense! Im pretty sure this commenter is aussie or something, so in their defense, anything under 70f is cold for them. Either that or they don't wear clothes, ever, because they're calculating the coldness with no clothing. for some reason.
"yeah but we also think of things in relation to the temperature of water, like freezing is when shit is icy, and also the relation to the boiling point" brother, water boils in fahrenheit as well (212f, but again, you're going to shocked by this one, you can round it down to 200f, wow look at that, it's like, pretty close.) sure the freezing point is still higher, but you really only get freezes here at super prolonged periods of just under 30f weather, or really cold snaps that stick around a bit. generally snow in 30f weather is, not really a thing, the ground is still warm enough it melts. ice doesn't form unless it's like, close to 0.
guys, i promise, it's not this hard. Just, think about it a little bit, please. You're killing me here!
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Tl;dr: just round. This goes both ways.
Converting a 1 significant digit number must not increase the number of significant digits.
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literally this, just round.
This is what i do every time i have to think about celsius, i have rough equivalency ranges which often get my estimations into celsius within 1 or 2 degrees of the actual answer. All i need to know is a few rough datapoints and i can get a really usable output.
It's actually just a skill issue.
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You're missing the point. The issue with Fahrenheit is not about the conversion from Celsius, most Europeans don't need to do that anyway. The problem is Fahrenheit in itself, it's just not elegant or scientific and therefore comes off as arbitrary and only makes sense when you grow up with it.
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yeah but why does that matter? It's all relative, the only good thing about celsius is that it happens to line up nicely with one specific elements boiling point. If you're doing science the only redeeming quality is that it maps linearly to kelvin, which is nice.
some of the relative math is nice, for certain units. But outside of that, for like, temperature, and cooking where none of that matters?
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There's a reason why drug dealers and those who have huffed too much under the fume hood still know metric like the back of their hand.
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idk if they know it like the back of their hand. But to be fair, anybody with the collective ability of about half a brain cell can use the metric system, so that's not really saying much.
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I assure you, you get icy roads and snow at 28-30f. Upstate NY gets tons of snow and most of that is above 25f. I don't see it get in the teens too much. Single digits or colder is pretty rare. All depends on the region up here. Due to the lakes, it is all over the place.
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it depends on where you are, obviously, but out here we generally don't get snow into about the 20-25f range, and we rarely get snow that sticks around 30f, it does snow then, but it all melts. as i previously said.
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...What?
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you and me both
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