Yarrr

What if you're pirating to avoid agreeing to an EULA that lets a giant corporation murder your family members?
- Yeah, that lawsuit from last week is also why I started pirating 20 years ago.
  
  Try the Sony BMG Rootkit, contained on music CDs:
  In 2005 it was revealed that the implementation of copy protection measures on about 22 million CDs distributed by Sony BMG installed one of two pieces of software that provided a form of digital rights management (DRM) by modifying the operating system to interfere with CD copying. Neither program could easily be uninstalled, and they created vulnerabilities that were exploited by unrelated malware. One of the programs would install and "phone home" with reports on the user's private listening habits, even if the user refused its end-user license agreement (EULA), while the other was not mentioned in the EULA at all. Both programs contained code from several pieces of copylefted free software in an apparent infringement of copyright, and configured the operating system to hide the software's existence, leading to both programs being classified as rootkits.
- Then you're violating the law! Just agree to the 40 page legalese text as if you were on an equal footing.
  Let your personal pet lawyer read it if you can't.
  Don't forget to read every change to them, because every EULA allows the vendor to change parts of the EULA at any time.
  Enjoy having fewer rights to the bought stuff than a pirate does, because the EULA makes you waive them. Or will make you waive them.

Still not theft.
- I'm fine with people calling piracy theft, if it means they'll pirate more.
- it's not theft it's plundering

I'm over here pirating things because I don't want to pay for them but I'll probably never watch/play them. Which side of the image am I?
- Lagolas, Destroyer of Bandwidth.
  
  Gameli, a little short on time to actually play the plunder
- I guess if you aren't consuming then you must just really enjoy the theft aspect of it. You're on the right

Once unskippable warnings and ads appeared on DVDs I bought, I became a lost cause.
- ON DVDs???? No way they did that.... Jeez...

It's just a better product.
- Yup, if you present me a side-by-side of the free one and the paid one when the free one is better even disregarding costs, I'm pirating 100% of the time.
  "Oh, you'll only have access to this as long as our servers remain online or as long as we keep renewing the license."
  "Sorry, your device needs to phone home to use this."
  "Don't you love ads in your paid product?"
  "You'll need to juggle several different services if you want what you can otherwise get for free on a central hub."
  "Yes, you can only use this on one or two devices at a time thanks to DRM."
  "Fuck you, you'll need an account with us to use this even though you bought it without that account somewhere else."
  "This thing's only ongoing cost on our end is version updates you totally need and want, so it'll be an indefinite subscription (which we'll make a pain in the ass to cancel)."
  "This game runs noticeably worse because of the shitty DRM we shoehorned in."
  "You're saying you don't like being spied on for ad targeting?"
  "You can only get this bundled with a bunch of other bullshit you don't want and would never pay for individually."
  "Our UI that you're forced to interact with to use this is fucking garbage."
  "We don't sell this anymore; ask Scalper4478 on eBay."
  "We use the money that you pay us to lobby against your rights as a consumer."
  "We somehow lack QoL features that the free version has."
  
  You'll need to juggle several different services if you want what you can otherwise get for free on a central hub.
  This one, while common, I kind of take issue with. You’re basically complaining that there is no one, all-consuming media oligarchy that owns EVERY show/movie, and distributes it on their singular massively overpriced service (and yes, with that market stranglehold, they would massively overprice it)
  Shouldn’t the principle of competition mean there are multiple services, each trying to present better content? People reasonably contend with only being subscribed to a few they care about - I don’t know who is assuming they should get access to all media, all the time, without paying truckloads of money.
  I will grant that for games, no service beats Steam, but I will absolutely buy games from other platforms like Itch and GOG in the spirit of competition when their prices or better or the dev has avoided Steam for reasons of adult content censorship.
  
  I have a game my ex me for my Xbox I think it was rainbow six I've never played because I couldn't get through the obnoxious sign up process to play a goddamned game that I owned.

b-b-but it's not theft 😢
- Right? No justification is required.
- Semantically doesn’t matter much.
  If a peach seller has a harvest of 1,000 peaches that will go bad in a week, he doesn’t care about “only having 940 peaches” when someone steals 60 of them. He cares that he spent all that effort and money growing the peaches on the bet he’d make a profit, rented the shop space in the market, hired an assistant to bag and sell them, and some douchebag still didn’t pay for them.
  The quantity of product a seller maintains is generally almost completely irrelevant to the costs. It’s about the societal expectations of paying your due to people who have put work into something you want.
  
  Ok so alternatively, instead of "stealing" peaches, I pay $10 monthly for Peaches+, which means I get to look at the peaches whenever I want to until they go bad. Sometimes new peaches arrive but they rarely look as good as the previous ones. Then when I eventually cancel my Peaches+ subscription I still don't own a single peach even though I paid a lot of money.
  
  Let's say that no matter how much is "stolen" the peach seller has an infinite inventory. It never depletes, and it never goes bad.
  The peach seller takes all the money, increases the selling price of the peach, and each peach you buy is a contract that allows the seller to kill your wife.
  
  What if someone richer than the peach grower took a picture of the peaches, and then demanded everyone else pay them instead of the peach grower for copies of the photo of the peaches? Would you still be upset if the peach photographer didn't make money from every single person who obtained a copy of the photo of the peaches? In some cases, the peach grower got paid before the photo started being sold, in other cases the peach grower gets 0.0004% of the profit from each peach photo sold.
  
  I hope you're just playing devil's advocate and not licking corporate boots
  
  It’s about the societal expectations of paying your due to people who have put work into something you want.
  An excellent argument in favor of banning the sale of used copies of media
  
  First paragraph addresses the overheads of running a biz.
  Second paragraph proffers a specious moral argument.
  A connection is vaguely insinuated.
  Sloppy.
- There's a little concept known as Intellectual Property that begs to differ
  
  If someone steals my bike, I lose ownership of the bike, that's theft.
  If I pirate a movie, Disney still owns the movie.
  If I buy a game, I don't even own that copy of the game??
  
  When people hear the concept of thought crimes described to them, they rightfully recoil in disgust at that kind of dystopic idea. However, euphemize the concept as intellectual property, and for some reason, most people are fine with it.

Theft is such an ugly word. It's really taking from the rich and giving to the poor.
- Keep robbin', stay hoodin'.

If buying isn't owning, piracy isn't theft. It is something else.

I am a willing kleptomaniac

    
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You pirate content to save money and protest the excesses of capitalism.
I pirate content because I enjoy singing sea shanties with the mates while seeding torrents.
We are not the same.

I just view it as a "try before you buy". I have loads of CDs and DVDs that I wouldn't have bought if I hadn't seen how good they were first.
If I try something and don't like it then I shouldn't have to pay for it.
- But then you won't spend money on bad stuff! We can't get your money before you realize it's worthless! We can't have that, think of the "economy"!
- This is the problematic view here. You think the monetary value is attached to the product itself, when it's actually attached to the perceived satisfaction you thought you would've gained before purchasing it.
  
  I don't understand your reply.
  I just don't want to buy an album based off of one song I heard on the radio and then find out that I don't like it.
  Edit: a downvote and no clarification of what you meant. Thanks I guess. . .

- What a great show. I really appreciate this meme.
  
  Over the Garden Wall for those who don't know. It was a miniseries Cartoon Network did in the 2010s and I agree, it was a really great show.

Because I'm a cheap bastard.
And also because I'm a third worlder and piracy is my only access.

My friend (an old lady unfamiliar with pirates) bought a dvd the other day. A comedy from 15 years ago.
It had been censored. Offensive dialogue dubbed over. No warning on rhe package.
Yo ho forever.

*bargain also known as 100% discount
- Five-finger discount

And it's good for my financial health

Why not both?
- If purchasing doesn't convey ownership, copying cannot be theft.
  
  Underrated comment. Upvote it more

Morality is a great tool for justifying legal enforcement of my desires. All it takes is a good argument connecting the two.
The arguments are getting less good here tho. They're getting very thin and flimsy.
What would happen if we threw away the moral argument?
What if instead of offering a moral argument for why you shouldn't pirate their movies, Disney just said "come at me bro"?
- Then I would come. And by God would I die stealing the dumbest shit imaginable just for the sake of it

If you can’t own it, you might as well “steal it”
But hey, property is theft anyways so who the fuck cares if I copy media without paying the ghouls who “own” the work made by other people they pay pennies of their dollar

I am robbery-pilled
- This guy is theft-maxing

You can also say that you download games from green steam *torrent

And the selection is VASTLY superior.
Instead of accessing only what netflix is "offering" today, I have access to EVERYTHING. All the time. Forever. Even obscure weird old stuff.
The entire body of media created by the human race is mine!
- Honestly it just kinda feels easier

I pirate because I want to watch Last Exile now, not 3 months ago when Hulu had the rights to it, and not some time in the future when they may acquire the rights again
Also it's easier than finding physical copies of 30 year old OVAs

I was just sick of looking through several apps to see if I had access to something.

I just like getting my dumb blorbos without having to have a spreadsheet of where to find them scattered over 20 different services

Free shit, trying to save money.

Cuz I’m broke and Hollywood isn’t. It’s wealth redistribution. /s….? ¯(ツ)_/¯

Copying is not theft, but it is fun
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IeTybKL1pM4

The left picture is lemmings trying to justify how its their right to watch youtube for free and without ads, because all the infrastructure that delivers the content is free I guess, bonus points if they removeded about Youtube not paying the creators properly in another comment
- YouTube without ads is YouTube that's actually functional. They don't deserve money for the default experience.
  And ad block is basic security. No I'm not turning it off
  
  So pay for the service you are using?