How?
How?
How?
Well, God in his infinite wisdom counted the day & night, obviously. One Mississippi, two Mississippi. Ah ah ah! Three Mississippies!
Granted, it’s just a fictional book we’re talking about, but it does start off with:
And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. And God saw that the light was good. And God separated the light from the darkness. God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day. [Genesis 1:3-5 ESV]
So, within the fiction of the book, there was some sort of other light created before the Sun, doesn’t really make sense that there would be words for day/night/morning before the Sun existed, but maybe there was a temporary light and that created day cycles, whatever. Nitpicking the bible about literal interpretations of things in Genesis seems almost pointless though. It’s stuff that’s easy to dance around and can be hand-waved away.
The bible is probably supposed to be interpreted metaphorically in alot of parts, so pointing out semantic things like this is the equivalent of responding to a long political post with
“You’re”
As if pointing out a single grammatical flaw somehow destroys their entire argument. This was probably meant to be fluff, just someone speaking poetically about an event that nobody would ever know anything about anyways.
Also there is a an antiquated meaning of day which just means a period of time.
The Hebrew word yom translated into the English “day” can mean more than one thing. It can refer to the 24-hour period of time that it takes for the earth to rotate on its axis (e.g., “there are 24 hours in a day”). It can refer to the period of daylight between dawn and dusk (e.g., “it gets pretty hot during the day but it cools down a bit at night”). And it can refer to an unspecified period of time (e.g., “back in my grandfather’s day . . .”).
Yom makin sense
As if pointing out a single grammatical flaw somehow destroys their entire argument
That's not what that means. That means the person responding cared so little about what they had to say that they are completely ignoring it. It is an insult in the form of disrespect.
just someone speaking poetically about an event that nobody would ever know anything about anyways
Kinda makes me wonder whether he'd feel foolish about what he wrote if he were still alive today and had modern scientific knowledge.
I mean, technically, a day passing doesn't explicitly need the sun as it is a measure of the rotational speed of the Earth (ie time), not the position of the sun in the sky. The latter was/is simply used to measure the former.
That's not really a fair/honest argument when the concept of a day existed long before humans knew the earth was rotating. Originally, a day was defined as the rising and setting of the sun
To humans, before we discovered the concept of rotations around the sun, you are correct. But for an advanced being/race that had the power to create universes… I’m sure they understood far greater concepts than the rising and setting of the an orange fireball in the sky. 😊
Logic has no place in religion just like religion has no place in logic
U just not understan.
C, god beyon logic. Logic is human understan of wut we C. Wut we C is wut god mak wit his hands. It tak place outsid of logic in a since. If god mak all thang observable wit ur eyez, naturly it wil follow sum thing. That sum thing is logic reality. We may understan 1 day but 4 now we can not. It not gods plan I gess. Win we get 2 heven may be.
I pray 4 u and luv u evin if u gay or sum thing like that bcuz I luv the sinner not the sin. In jesus name, a man.
I read a Rabbi’s take once, that he believes Genesis 1 is based on a vision that YHWH gave to one of the prophets (it was added later than the second creation story). He argued that it’s not supposed to be envisioned from a cosmic perspective, which is something of a modern take, but a terrestrial one, as if “figuratively standing on the earth - a cloud of dust - as God forms everything around it.” So the creation of light is the sun, but the sun isn’t visible unless the sky begins to clear.
Just thought I’d share that take. I always thought it was an interesting one.
The great thing about rhetoric is that any smart enough person can do any number of mental gymnastics to create a semi-plausible argument. But as a society we need to move away from things which aren’t grounded in reality
Before the sun was created, a day was 4.97 billion years, and then the sun came up and a day was 24 hours. I see no issue with this superstition.
except apparently air, earth, and plants existed before the sun too.
Atheists 🤝 Evangelicals
Thinking that the Bible
should be read literally
More seriously, did you know that there are two Creation stories in the Bible (in Genesis 1 and Genesis 2) and that these two stories are contradictory? But the people who added the second story did not replace the first with their own. They did not mind that the two stories contradicted each other because they knew perfectly well that these stories were allegories and were not to be read as historical accounts to be interpreted literally. Those who insist on a literal reading do not respect the will of the authors, whether God exists and is the inspiration or not.
He just looked at his watch smh
He's got a watch with a minute hand, millennium hand, and an eon hand
First of all, a literal reading is not required but let's read it literally.
This is embarrassing. Like even for a meme.
Literally made light and dark and called them day and might on day one too lol.
Dude, your meme is about logical consistency of the bible. To test for logical consistency, you have to assume it is true to test it against itself.
Also I am not a believer, so I don't believe it is true... But I can argue in favor of something that I am not believing. A basic skill that people need for scientific process.
God could have made light circles (days) without the sun.
For what reason was the sun created then?
I'm guessing it was probably for the same reason he buried dinosaur bones all over the place... Or for the same reason he created trillions of stars billions of years before he felt like creating light earlier that week (or are stars actually a lot closer to get their light here so quickly after creation?)
That is a bit of a pointless endeavor.
For what reason was the sun created if it was created for light cycles? I mean what is the point of light cycles? Whatever the point of it is, what is the point of that? You see the issue.
Also you are asking for a motivation when a motivation doesn't prove or disprove anything. I mean maybe God has multiple personalities and they like to fuck with each other. Maybe it was a creative process and he liked the idea of a sun. Maybe he wanted everything to have a "natural" reason to better test our faith. Maybe he got high and thought the idea of a huge burning ball is funny.
I understand why you ask. But I don't have an answer and I don't think an answer matters for what I propose. Which is, even in a literal reading It is not really contradictory, maybe just a little odd.
Pale Blue Dot was such an amazing read.
Never read it. But I have read Contact. It was really good. 👍
perhaps it was sidereal days?
I feel like the logic goes that the duration as a concept existed to god before creation, and creation was made to match. Makes me wonder if creationists view the duration of a day as a holy measurement
A holy measurement that varies the more you deeper you look into it. Sounds like religion alright.
96h passed
I wager Light is a metaphor for existence, and Darkness is a metaphor for non-existence.
As humans describe a day, it's how long it takes for the earth to complete a rotation. The sun happens to be a useful landmark in determining how long a day is, but when you think about it the the existence of the sun isn't a requirement for a day to pass. Therefore, the first day would be the third day, when god created the earth.
But either way, I think god's frame of reference for how long a day is must be pretty different from ours. After all, doesn't it say somewhere in there that a thousand years is like a blink of an eye to him?
A day was a day was before we knew it was about rotation of the earth.
I asked God, "what's a million years to you?"
And God replied, "a second."
I asked God, "what's a million dollars to you?"
And God replied, "a penny."
I asked God, "can I have a million dollars?'
And God said, "yes... in a second."
Why would a god need to measure time?
I dunno, you'd have to ask them.
Maybe they've got other things going on, y'know? Like, sure, they were able to get a week off to build the universe. But now they've got to get back to their day job. Rent isn't going to pay itself.