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Ha! That's one of the reasons I switched to a degoogled android phone. The extra battery life is quite noticeable.
- Degoogled means you don't use any google's services either?
  
  I'm using the volla phone x23 which runs vollaOS, an android fork without all those pesky Google background processes. It uses MicroG to simulate them though, since most Android apps expect them now.
- Makes me consider doing that again.
  Years ago I had a Samsung Galaxy Alpha and ran LineageOS on it but that just completely fucked the battery optimisation. Did this get better? Better than Google even?
  
  My last phone with standard Google Android had a 5000 mAh battery while the new degoogled has one with a bit more than 6000 mAh I think. Even then I feel the overall increase in battery life cannot be explained with hardware only. Without watching videos or playing games, I only have to charge my new phone every 3-4 days. And I've background apps like syncthing running all the time. I've just checked there's actually a few other open source forks of android other than LineageOS. If you're disappointed with it.
- If you use chrome or any chromium based browser, googles still executing any code they won’t on your device at will.
  Even if you don’t have chrome, but an app uses a chromium based web view.
  
  Mate everyone uses Firefox here
  
  Well I use Firefox on vollaOS. It's not fully degoogled in terms of apps for sure but I hope change will come.
  
  googles still executing any code they won’t on your device at will.
  Source?
- degoogled
  android
  These are mutually exclusive
  
  Degoogled as in "no code from google present" would require Ubuntu touch etc., but as in "no closed source stuff and no telemetry" is quite easy, using either Degoogled Android or another specific distro.

I had recently installed Grapheneos on my pixel, with a goal is determining what was responsible for all the senseless Google domains that a pixel normally contacts.
To my surprise disabling Network for the Google Services Framework and Play Services killed all of the nonsense. The only downside was that GSF has the push mechanism in it also, that many apps use for push notifications.
If only there were an alternate for push notifications that all apps would use.
Anyway, Grapheneos runs way cooler than Google's Malware version.
- I use ntfy for notifications, even on my vanilla Pixel.
  The less google services apps you use the less google services needs to run.
  
  That looks nice, but apps that use GSF for push won't use that. Or am I missing something on their website?
- Check out microG: https://microg.org/
  I get all my push notifications, apps etc without any actual Google services on my phone. Remote google servers are still used, but in a more (though not fully) anonymous manner.
  
  TIL that MicroG is used for more than just getting my Google account to work in YouTube ReVanced.
  
  Are you using Grapheneos or another ROM?
- With Graphene OS there is no Google services at all correct? No android auto?
  
  They made it where you could sandbox all of the Google stuff, and Android Auto works fine too.
  
  It's sandboxed, but still there. Most stuff should work as normal.
- No surprise, Play Services is Googles tracking framework on mobile too.

The idea of getting outside of the Google ecosystem is intriguing. I have a pixel 8. Is there a website that I can go to to learn how to switch? My battery just drops like a stone.
- I'd go with CalyxOS. Install is also easy, but graphene touts allowing Google play services to be used... The very part of the picture that drew you to this comments section. You don't have to install it in graphene, but then almost no apps work right.
  CalyxOS use microG, a fully open-source spoof of Google play that is super light on battery, allows most apps to work fine (including banking), etc. Some apps like Pokemon go don't, however.
  
  Graphene sandboxes Google services heavily, and is enabled and used only at user discretion. It doesn't get higher priority than any other user application on the device. Calyx is alright but I would recommend Graphene much more than Calyx. I don't like either of these though unless you are a privacy nut. If you just want to get out of Google, LineageOS works plenty well although without many of the creature comforts of a stock ROM.
  
  Thank you for your full explanation, kind stranger. Ill give it a good going over!
  Cheers!
- Check out Graphene OS, it supports the pixel lineup and is pretty easy to install if you know how to read and copy paste.
  
  Thanks Man. Ill do some research.
- GrapheneOS, has easy to click webpage buttons to guide you through the flashing. It is deggogled, you can add playstore and apps, and they can be sandboxed away from default storage. Updates are frequent, battery drain is way less without all the google BS.
  
  If you're sandboxing Google play services, you are, by definition, still installing play services. They are still running, but are sandboxed. So I don't see how you see any less battery drain.
  I run MicroG instead of the proprietary Google play services, and while I do see a bit ofl an increase in battery life for light usage, for medium and heavy usage it's pretty much the same. Admittedly my battery is pretty old.
- I second the people that said lineage OS. I am using it right now. I got this Nord phone because I knew they were easy to tinker with. I used it a bit and ended up with a newer galaxy. Well after I put lineage on the Nord every problem it had went away. Excellent battery life, runs smoothly, weekly security patches if I want etc. One thing that helped a lot was the "Aurora" app store. Let's you install apps anonymously from the play store without requiring google services. Many of them won't work due to the no google services, but a surprising amount of stuff does just fine even if it complains about it.
  
  What do you Lineage people do for things like banking apps and work required apps?

My phone likes to gaslight me and not even show the battery that my system services are taking

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dude, people wonder why i shit on android constantly, why would you ever produce a product that can just, do shit like this, it's awful. (to be clear, i hate IOS as much, for the same reasons)
And its only worse with manufacturer flavors of android, samsung loves shipping a bunch of useless apps that you can't even remove.
and no, i don't want to hear about rooting. Just call me when you guys figure out how to make an actual OS.
- Your negativity sucks but at least it's not targeted at anyone. It's just souring people's moods.
  
  the negativity sucks, but android is frankly, deserving of it, especially with how much better IOS is now than it used to be.
  Android only implemented MDNS in android 12, OS wide (the only useful implementation of it) a literal decade after microsoft added it to windows
  mounting shit like an SMB share is literally impossible, unless rooted. Because fuck you, why would you ever want to mount remote storage on a device known for having super expensive storage, or really shitty storage.
  It's customizable, if all you want to customize is the homescreen, because the lockscreen isn't trivially customizable.
  it's also a google product, so it comes with the really cool feature of being terrible.
  Oh and if you wanted to install apps on the playstore, they're also all shit. Most of them are paid, and the rest are either ad filled, or malware. Cool, i'll just use fdroid then. Oh wait it's just a glorified APK installer...
  not to mention androids nonsense file structure and partitioning done by default, as well as it's wonderfully obtuse .NOMEDIA standard, that doesn't seem to work properly, and doesn't fucking implement anywhere.
  the ram management is also fucking horrid, seeming to only unload apps entirely, but arguably that's more of a problem with apps taking literal gigabytes of ram to load fucking text on the screen just so you can read someone making a your mom joke.
  People talk constantly about how amazing the technical leap from PDP11s to iphones was, yet we seem to be regressing in the software space faster than germany during the hitler arc and it fucking baffles me how.
- this seems like a good situation to hear about rooting but go off
  
  it seems good, until you realize it's a nightmare process that only works on "most phones" requiring some kind of crackpot technique pulled straight from someones ass that happened to work.
  only to get moderately more access to googled android and oops, it's still mostly shit. Oh good, i can probably just install an android derivative, and oops, it's also mostly dogshit, just less worse and more annoying.

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