Drag performance resembling Last Supper at Olympic opening ceremony rankles conservatives
While some fans loved this unabashed display of French camp and kitsch, others — particularly those who espouse conservative or Christian beliefs — were not happy with it.
People who get upset over everything are upset. More at 11.
It was not the last supper but a representation of the greek god Bacchus, since of course the Olympics have a greek origin. I find it funny that christians got so triggered.
A lot of Christians don't realize how heavily influenced their religion is is by other more pagan and polytheistic religions.
Seriously, just look up images for “Isis and child Horus”, for instance.
Without context he only way to tell if it's Christian or ancient Egyptian is the hat, if present.
No, the blue smurf dude was Bacchus. This was a different part.
Blue dude is Philippe Katerine. He is know for doing weird things. About his show in the ceremony he declared to the press "I was cold and I liked it" article in French
NBC didn’t even broadcast this part of the ceremonies, people who are upset about this are looking to get upset.
The real news story here is that NBC is apparently censoring the Olympics.
The link literally goes to nbc news, and contains a video of that exact performance. How exactly are they censoring the Olympics? Edit: was this not broadcast on live tv, just online? I didn't watch live.
I’ve got copies of both the US and Australian broadcasts. I’m in the process of building a synchronized side-by-side video showing what each broadcaster put out.
I’d love to share it if I could convince YouTube’s bots that it’s not a copyright violation.
And if there’s a PeerTube instance out there that won’t mind me uploading it there, I’m happy to share it with you.
Update: I uploaded this to the Internet Archive today: https://archive.org/details/olympic-blue-man-4
You should totally upload it to the Internet Archive. They have something similar for 9/11 news programs.
The entire opening ceremony was riddled with elements that were exaggerated specifically to give the middle finger to people who can't help but force their personal religious beliefs on others. And seeing how riled up they've been getting over it, I must say it worked.
The sad part is, that this just gives them more ammo. Having said that though, they look for ammo constantly, even without olympics they would find something else.
i'm glad they're triggered. fuck christians.
Who cares
But only against christians, no othetlr religion or lack thereof.
So you’re indignant that the middle finger was only to Christians? And not everyone else? Weird hill to die on. And I’m pretty sure the middle finger wasn’t specifically to Christians, but to literally every moron with a stick up their ass about what other people do in their personal lives.
Also, the “lack thereof” is called atheism and attacking atheism is like attacking someone for not collecting stamps (to bastardize Penn Jillette). Quite a waste of time and effort.
they think that. somehow it doesn’t occurs to the “christians” that the olympics aren’t about them and aren’t focused on them at all. it wasn’t the last supper. it was homage to greek and french culture and history. because the olympics originated in greece and are being held in france. sheesh.
An event that's supposed to bring people together, instead purposely creates division. I'm agnostic af, but I can clearly see this is bad taste.
If you like creating division, then by all means celebrate it I guess...
They included everyone who has been excluded from the beginning and made a statement that they will not pander to those who want them excluded anymore. Those who were angry at this are those who wanted to keep these people excluded. I'd say it's a pace in a good direction to bring people together. There is only a group of people who will need to learn they can't force their way on others anymore.
For crying out loud had these people had their way again we wouldn't even have had that badass metal music show in front of the Bastille Conciergerie, where Marie Antoinette was trialed and sentenced to death.
The only people creating division are religious people who can't switch off their offended brain for once and laugh a little.
if you have to conform to what a single group wants while ignoring the actual countries who created the games and those who host them, that’s not”bringing people together” it’s just giving in to narrow views and acting as if only one group has legitimacy and the right to decide on anything. there is no “bringing together” of different people and things in that.
This is really killing me. The Last Supper is a fucking painting. It ain't in the book. There's no part of the Bible where it says and Jesus sat down at a stupidly long table and all of his asshole Apostle sat down on the same side and posed weirdly. Why is the painting suddenly holy? Since when do conservatives like art? I've never met a conservative who didn't want to burn most paintings.
Judas: so lets get this last supper going.
Jesus: the what supper?
Judas: good supper, nice supper, normal supper!
good supper, nice supper, normal supper!
Super supper!
You'd be surprised how much of the belief was added as expansion packs by the early church.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea
The painting is just another notable addition to the cinematic universe.
We don't talk about the rival fanfic, or the original book fans. It's not as good as ours. And our main character in the sky is totally different.
I’ve never met a conservative who didn’t want to burn most paintings.
How does ignorant, fabricated hate get so many upvotes here?
Just a product of people having an overconfidence in themselves being right (and therefore good) while those that disagree are wrong (and therefore wrong).
The irony is that the most batshit insane MAGAs have the same thought process. Liberal tears and all that.
This is a "conservative tears" kind of thing. It's a "they take the low road, we also take the low road" kind of strategy which only gives credence to the usually fallacious "both sides" arguments.
General lack of critical thinking skills. If you want a tolerant society, actively disrespecting the beliefs of others probably isn't the best way to go about it.
Dipshits don’t even get it’s this based on this painting https://musee-magnin.fr/en/node/19 which is in a French museum, about the gods of Olympus, and includes the lyre you see in the recreation. It’s not the last supper which is in Italy and not in France. Similar framing of course - clearly on purpose - but who cares. What dumbasses, outrage machine go burrr
I wish conservative Christians were educated enough to know what a bacchanalia is.
bacchanalia
I literally looked up this word when it came up in a book on Friday. What timing. Also, Type O Negative ftw.
Only time I've heard it in use is in the film, A Christmas Story.
Interesting (had to Google it)
Imagine you're the master race, confident and strong and then some people wear different clothes than you expected on TV and your whole world is just shattered lol.
Oh no, the poor christians and conservatives who rather see us at the burning stake than acknowledge that their God created us queer-people just like we are. Fuck em that they felt hurt looking at this display, we were and are constantly hurt!
i always smh when people use the bible to justify their non-christian virtues. christians don't care and it's a stupid book to begin with. if a christian ever tells me i'm doing something wrong, i look them right in the eye and say "PROVE YOUR GOD IS REAL OR SHUT THE FUCK UP".
don't use their religion for reasoning. it's a form of validation.
I'm a Christian for 13 years, I see this all the time Nowadays and it actually fortifies my beliefs even more, because our bible and particularly our Jesus, said would happen in the last days before he returns. If only you all had faith you could appreciate the magnitude of what's to come, heaven isn't a place in the sky, it's another world ruled by aliens thar have been around long enough to create us and this entire universe.
Hilarious comment from an article I read. Meanwhile,I thought Da Vinci was excommunicated.
I just wish these people had reading comprehension beyond a third grader so they could actually read that awful book (the Bible)
Even in you take everything in it at face value, it's not even a good story (overall), and all of the little stories are shit.
Christians need to: first, read the Bible, and the second, read a few pieces of classic literature. Your book is shit, most of it doesn't even make sense
There's actually a lot of interesting stuff in the text when you learn how to spot it between the lines of the revisionism. Both OT and NT.
The problem is you basically only have two camps.
One, that thinks the text as it exists today represents an unadulterated divine transmission.
And the other, that thinks anything to do with it is worthless nonsense.
So there's very few people actually looking at it in between those two extremes, with most engaged with the material clustering around the former, or at very least with an anchoring and survivorship bias around the former cluster.
We're left with audiences for the text that on both sides would be incredulous at the idea that, say, the Exodus narrative was in part an appropriation of the LBA/Early Iron Age sea peoples history when they were forcibly relocated into cohabitation with the Israelites, or say, that Jesus was taking about evolution with the sower parable.
Even though both those things have very compelling cases that can be made given emerging available evidence, the discussion is all about the acceptance or wholesale rejection of canon with little to no discussion of what actually exists in the absence of the BS.
It's most disappointing for the latter group though. While I kind of get the way the trauma of proselytizing and indoctrination turns minds off to anything connected with the material, it's very frustrating that what should be the healthy opposition cedes so many claims of authenticity to the faithfully blind.
Surely there have never been any parodies of the Last Supper before this one.
(I'm partial to this one)
I like how they have a painting of ol' Ronnie Raygun on one side of the wall with Putin on the other. If only he was alive to see them now.
It was supposed to be the Last Supper?
I totally didn't get that.
Also, I was hoping for a real drag show when I saw them, but instead I got a sort of "gender bent catwalk" thing. Boo.
It was supposed to be a representation of a bacchanal or dionisya. There are dozens of paintings of those celebrations that look sorta like the last supper, if you squint very hard and turn off your brain.
Religious bigots offended, yet again
Let them cry.
NBC's coverage only detracted from the ceremony. They cut most of the fashion show. And the hosts did nothing to explain or put the various acts in cultural context.
For those who don't like the queer fashion show, no one is forcing you to watch it. It's a cultural expression of the host country. It's like going to Gramany and hating the beer or the Netherlands and hating the tulips.
I'm also pissed at the Olympics this year, mostly because I got stuck one hour on the road, but maybe I just don't want to admit how dumb I was to not avoid Paris on my trip to the west... nah it's them! not me!
Rankled is a kind of default status of most conservatives, and the way I most prefer them to be.
I like them to be discomfited too.
And stilted. Stilted is nice.
It wasn't even the last supper, it was referencing Greek stuff from what I have heard
Some people really just wake up looking for something to get rankled about.
I find it funny that this is what they're up in arms about, not the happy little threesome. I saw it and was shocked that NBC actually aired it, because that's just much too controversial for we puritanical Americans to handle.
olympic is now cancelled.
They got a bbw Jesus!
Pretty sure when I counted, the numbers were off. Not even 13 people in the supposed last supper shot.
DJ is Barbara Butch, yes she's a lesbian, makes electro.
wait until they find out about their beloved movie the matrix
Oppression Olympics
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Let me explain it this way. If I am going to sit somewhere, if we as left leaning individuals are going to sit and say "it's not what you say it's how others take it and be sensitive to that" then we need to follow the same rules.
If I tell a joke or do something that others take offense to, then maybe it wasn't ok to say that, or to have done that.
If I am going to tell people to pay attention to how others respond to what they are doing or saying. Then i need to follow those same rules.
It is not ok for me to tell another person, you can't say that (what ever that thing is) because of how others are viewing it or how it makes them feel. Then turn around and say but i can do what ever I want even if it offends others.
It is not relevant if we are talking about drag, or trans people, or black people, or minorities, or white people, or religions. What is relevant is that we are running around saying "you can't do that because it is offending others". Yet look through this thread, go all the way up to my top comment and look at all the responses. Notice something? People are acting like this was totally ok even though there are a shit ton of people that it offended.
So it's ok for the left to put in rules that says "you can't do that because it is offending others, but we the left can do what ever we want". That makes sense?
and you are telling me to change my tune?
It wasn't the last supper or anything with Christianity. Maybe if they were actually educated instead of being anti-schooling...
I saw people pissed off about this on social media last night. I didn't even really understand what they were upset about. Other than the fact that it's a handful of people sitting at a table, I didn't really see any similarities with the Last Supper. Christians don't own the concept of people sitting on the same side of a table.
TV shows put all the people on one side of a dinner table all the time - because of camera/blocking reasons. Is every episode of Eight Is Enough blasphemous?
Is there a way to read the thread without having an X account? Because all I see is the first post saying it's supposed to be the other picture and they don't look that similar to me. I'm guessing he goes on to explain some of the context? In other self replies that I can't read?
I wish people would stop using X/Twitter because of this kind of shit. Everyone needs to move over to Mastadon or at least Blue Sky, something I can read without having an account and being logged in.
Maybe if they were actually educated instead of being anti-schooling...
Half of "Against School" is incredibly based, half is a bit rambly.
I would like to hear from the actual people, rather than some historian just coming up with something that could be an excuse.
Additionally, I regularly go to museums, I took art elective art classes in both HS and college, including art history, and I've never seen this painting. Im willing to bed 99% of people haven't even heard of the artist. So attacking people for not making this connection ss "ignorant" seems to be a bit much.
You're right, what's good for the goose is good for the gander. And in that spirit, I will treat these complaints exactly the way right wingers treat it when others point out that they're being offensive and gross.
In other words, I will mock you for being offended and suggest that you're trying to kill free speech any time you try to voice your point of view.
Religion has been behind so much discrimination over the centuries. I, as a leftist, will never care to not offend religion.
Also I'm very strongly of the opinion that being a leftist is about ending capitalism. The acceptance/bigotry spectrum is a different axis. And while ending bigotry is an important fight, it's a separate one from ending capitalism.
Religion is not and has not been particularly different from ideology historically.
Online Marxism really demonstrates that with the read "theory"(scripture). But of course it's just as true on the right, not only for religious texts.
Why can't drag queens portray the last supper, even make fun of it, when
a) Jeezy Creezy himself invited sex workers to his shin digs. Also cracked a few jokes himself ("Why were you looking for me? I was in my father's house")
b) veggie tales is about sentient vegetables giving Bible lessons, Narnia is about a fursona giving Bible lessons
c) if Jesus can take being crucified I imagine he can take a joke
Paradox of tolerance. Christians are actively trying to invite violence against LGBT people by calling them groomers. That's the basis of their outrage, so it is simple to dismiss it as hateful or inauthentic.
hard disagree. you assume that if you give them the same respect that you ask for, that they will give it back in return. you're talking about christians. they just want to subjugate everyone else to their standard of living.
nope. fuck them. they are the enemy. they are the barrier to living in a better world. they do not understand cultural differences and don't want to. they are a problem to be solved, not a class of people who must be tolerated. goose and gander thinking will get you nowhere.
so because I'm a christian .. it's fuck me? ignoring the fact that i do my best to treat everyone equally. ignoring the fact that I want a constitutional amendment that says "on average for a given voting precinct the people shouldn't be standing in line for 8 hours, the average should only be 30 minutes so minorities aren't disenfranchised from voting" .. ignoring the fact that I believe everyone should have the right to marry who ever they choose (as long as they are consenting adults.... your statement is
"you're talking about christians, they just want to subjugate everyone else... fuck them"
that's also ignoring the fact that I do not believe that the bible should be taught in public school.
you didn't say some christians are that way ... you basically said all christians. .. so it's fuck me. .. nice way to enter the conversation there.
It is not relevant if we are talking about drag, or trans people, or black people, or minorities, or white people, or religions.
then why are you doing that?
also, username checks out.
If the offense is that something exists, it's not worth bowing down to. If the offense is that it is potentially harmful or dangerous, then it should be considered. Conservatives don't get to just say they're offended by others and get them to disappear.
I kind of see where you are coming from, but doesn't it make a difference WHY somebody is offended?
If I, for eclxsmple, use the N-Word, the offence this rightfully causes is rooted in it being used to speak about slaves in the past. I can understand that. I understand why this could hurt black peoples feeling. So I don't use it.
The root of offence on the Paris case seemes to be that some Christian Fundamentalist (wrongly) think that Drag-People imitated the last Supper. Their offence is based in them hating Drags. That is nothing I can emphatize with. So I don't see their offence beeing justified, since It is rooted in hate.
Would they be offended if white males immitated the last supper during the ceremony? Possible, and if so then I'd be interested to hear on what basis, since the scene has been mimiced in pop culture a lot without it causing any offence (on a level that would have made it noticeable to me).
Ao that's the difference. I don't blindly stop to do things the left labels as offensive. But If I understand how and why it causes people harm using phrases or doing things then I might change my behaviour on that base. Not because "the left says so" but because I can emphatize and understand the point. In this case I can do neither.
Major false equivalency. One side is intentionally offending marginalized groups, knowing that they're much more likely to commit suicide, etc. They only punch down. They literally think a significant number of normal, innocent people don't have the right to exist and they base that belief on (I guess one of) the dumbest, most grotesquely disgusting holy books ever. And it's not even a good story. None of them are any good.
The rest just want to be able to exist, and if criticizing the most popular religions in the world for teaching their followers that they shouldn't be allowed to exist is offensive to them, well then I don't know what to tell them.
See the difference? One group wants to eradicate entire groups of law-abiding, productive citizens because they have delusions that don't comport with reality and are not compatible with modern society, the other is pointing that out and mocking them for it.
I would only say one of those things is actually offensive... Objectively. So I'm not sure why I should care if a conservative snowflake gets his coal rolled over it.
It's amazing how far a culture can plummet.
I’m not exactly the most religious person, but this seems to be step one in how to piss off a nice chunk of those watching.
Not the route I would have gone.
Drag cabaret was huge in France in the 1940s and 1950s and has continued to this day, so that part is not really especially weird or or provocative.
But then they decided to mix it with Paris Fashion Week and that made it far less interesting, at least to me.
Well they can be pissed or grow up then I guess lol getting angry over a performance on tv, what are they, 6 years old?
Mentally, yes. Lol
If you can't figure out to not take someone belief system or identity and use it.. If you can't figure out why that might piss people off let me help you.
If I as a heterosexual white male put on black face and dressed up in American Indian garb I'm pretty sure people would get pissed.
There are certain lines you just don't cross.
You can't live your life walking on eggshells because you're worried you might offend one of the biggest snowflakes to ever exist
