Vote out the career politicians who don't really give a shit about you
Vote out the career politicians who don't really give a shit about you
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I'm going to vote, and vote for Biden, but realistically, the democrats have already fumbled this big time.
The debate: honest to fuck, Trump looked composed and almost presidential next to Joe in that debate. I facepalmed in the first thirty seconds and never stopped. Jesus Christ, that was a massacre, and I don't know how anyone can pretend otherwise.
Biden himself: The debate kind of unsealed the can of questions about Joe's well being, and you're just not getting the snakes back in. Every time he goes to prove he's still Joe from 2020 or 2012, we get Joe from 2024, or even a flash of Joe from the debates. His audio is always fucked because he's speaking so soft that they have to turn the gain all the way up to pick him up, which means they also grab all kinds of artifact. He walks like an old man refusing to use the walker that his doctor is begging him to use. He keeps having pretty serious gaffes that kind of go beyond what we've come to expect from Joe. This just isn't going away, especially because every attempt to clean it up makes it worse. So, they're going to rely on the HRC 16 strategy of just yelling "Just shut the fuck up and vote, or we're going to get Hitler!"
Only: Now they're afraid to use the one trick this donkey seems to know anymore. The democrats got lazy, being able to use the threat of fascism as a fundraising and outreach tool. The problem is that we're talking about armed Americans here, and you convince the right ones that the tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and, well... [Gestures]. So, now, the democrats have spent eight years telling us how Trump is Hitler (and make no mistake about it, he is a fascist) and building their platform around being the not fascists, and now that whole rug has gotten yanked out from under them because if they keep using that rhetoric, it's going to get someone killed. So, which is it? Trump is a serious threat of fascism and must be stopped to save the Republic, or it's not actually that bad and it's okay as long as Joe feels he tried his best?
Oh, and the assassination attempt gave Trump a couple of big Ws. First, that fucking picture. Show me a picture of Joe that's that cool that isn't just a meme; you can't. Second, instead of hustling away immediately, shit ass decided to have a moment of showmanship and pump his fist and yell "fight!" I hate that Donald is a good showman, but he is, and denying it won't change it.
So let's review, shall we?
Joe has: a really very just okay first time if you forgive the little genocide detail. And probably Parkinson's or sundowner's or something. He also has no real strategy left now that pointing out that the fascists are fascist leads to an unacceptable risk of political violence.
Trump has: a terrible awful first term that was a whole COVID ago, a badass picture, a badass moment, the ability to mostly kinda sorta speak in full sentences at a good volume, not bad reaction time tbh, and a bunch of newly sympathetic news coverage, donors, and people ready to join up with the fascists supporting him.
You might read all this and say "fuckin Trump supporter", and, I mean, good for you, I guess. I'm going to vote for Biden or whoever isn't Trump on November, but I'm also trying to be realistic about the situation we're in. The democrat establishment have bunglefucked the situation bad, and I have grave concerns about their ability to get their shit in gear by November. May they prove me wrong, I am not excited about Christian fascism.
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I hate how people vote based on who has a cooler picture rather than their agenda.
I fucking hate politics.
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People didn't vote for Biden because they supported his agenda. He was the fifth least-popular candidate in 2020, barely ahead of "Mike" Bloomberg.
The DNC promised favors to the other candidates in exchange for dropping out and endorsing Biden, because in their minds it was better to have a brain-dead candidate than risk nominating a socialist.
And now fascism's here.
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At this point the US is just a failed state, doing failed state things, because it's a failed state. The writing's been on the wall for decades, but even though I expected the dictatorship within my lifetime since I was a teenager, I never expected it to be so god damned stupid. I expected it to be someone cunning and competent. Not a total fucking moron.
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I definitely agree with you on that.
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I've been thinking a lot about how the assassination attempt will effect Bidens chances at victory. I read one take that I agree with, the basic idea is that it won't effect polling data that much. That's with the belief that there are no real undecided voters in this election. The key issue is voter turnout per party. And the biggest effect is that this will cause Trump supporters to have high turnout rates. Biden will never do well in that enthusiasm gap, which is a major reason why it would have been best to stick to a single term, can't undue that though.
There is a unique opportunity at DNC. Assuming Trump will do nothing to "turn down the tempture" Biden can step down as the nominee, claiming his family convinced him to, fearing an assassination attempt. That will flip the entire narrative. There should be an open primary as well. 1 debate with x number of Dems, don't just nominate Harris, again, democrats need enthusiasm to have a high turnout. That debate will be a huge television event and it will be about the issues, Democrats will win, down ballot even, when they all say tax the rich over and over again.
That's just me writing a script for this shit. But at this point, fuck it, replace Biden with George Clooney. He's just as qualified as Trump was in 2016.
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Yeah but that involves the DNC offering representation in exchange for votes. They aren't interested in doing so.
You are to kiss Joe bidens feet and smile. Or else.
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I find myself agreeing with everything you just said.
The fact the political system in the US is effectively captured by two parties that act the same "purple party" on many major issues (genocide for instance) isn't giving people much choice.
Going into this election where the choices have are Biden vs Trump when quite a lot of people would prefer ANYONE else, but the party system refusing to give them any other options (even primaries) speaks to how poorly this system is representing people
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We could literally hold a lottery, pick a random registered voter, and I'm 90% sure they'd be better.
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Replacing Biden was always a good idea, and the opposition always had the argument of "Biden is unfit for the presidency yet is still being pushed by his party, therefore the Democratic party is dumb"; but now prominent Democrats have (correctly in my opinion) called for Biden to be replaced. So there's no going back now. If they don't, the oppisition now has an even stronger argument: "Biden is unfit for the presidency, members of his own party have called for his replacement, yet he hasn't been replaced, therefore the Democratic party is really dumb".
Finding a candidate that energizes voters and creates a big turnout is hard, but not impossible, the 2020 primaries have minted several candidates and raised their profile.
Funnily enough, AOC turns 35 this October, she's too young by like a few months if i get this right?
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I'm going to read this comment to my kids instead of a bedtime story
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My daughter is old enough to be figuring stuff out and she's been asking some really difficult questions about the election.
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Just wait to the shit show of the the the August 19th Democratic Convention in Chicago. Pro Israeli and Pro Palestinian groups will be marching. An alphabet soup of causes will also be on the march. It will only add the confusion surrounding the Democratic's policies, and turn people off voting.
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Trump looked composed and almost presidential next to Joe in that debate.
That has nothing to do with Trump and everything to do with CNN allowing the sack of shit to lie his ample ass off for 90 minutes without any kind of pushback from the "moderators".
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There were times when they cut off Biden mid-sentence to let Trump speak
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This is a really good summary. The one thing that might help Biden from the assassination is that it could reduce Trump's campaign schedule. Which is good, because Biden has no defense for the campaign abilities of Trump. There is still almost definitely going to be a point in September/October, where Trump makes more appearances and talks to the press more than Biden has in his term, but it's probably going to be over about a month or so instead of 2-3 weeks.
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Ranked Choice voting will Introduce much needed competition into the electoral process. We should all be pressing our state representatives about making plans to switch away from First-past-the-post voting.
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How should we be pressing them? Money? Votes? Something else that they care about?
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The debate: honest to fuck, Trump looked composed and almost presidential next to Joe in that debate.
I swear that my wife practically wanted to divorce me for saying this right after. I wouldn’t vote for him with a gun to my head but watching that debate, the Trump on stage that night was the President I’d want other world powers to wrangle with.
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Yes, but I'm more concerned with what he'll do to us. Fuck other countries
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So you would want the president of the US to make up obvious lies and name call like a child when dealing with other world powers? Just go up there and sniff his own farts at the UN meeting or whatever?
I know Biden did poorly, but that doesn't mean we have to act like Trump did well. Any compent politician would have have made him look stupid in that debate, and the same would happen on the world stage.
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You hit the nail on the head, we are fucked.
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Agreed, well summed up. I wish more people shared your insight. Never the less, I appreciate your stance.
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This is written by someone completely out of touch with reality.
and now that whole rug has gotten yanked out from under them because if they keep using that rhetoric, it’s going to get someone killed.
It's not the rhetoric that will get someone killed it's the very real abuse of the system that goes on right under our noses. What is more convincing that Trump is the next Hitler? Joe, the guy you said is losing his composure, saying that trump is hitler or 6 supreme court justices giving the president absolute immunity from things like, "assisanating political rivals."
It's the latter you fool, the rhetoric is on point.
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Hey, acting mean and superior is a poor crutch for a bad argument.
If you'd read my post, you'd understand that what I'm saying is that the Democrats are using the fact that they're not the fascists as their primary outreach and fundraising platform. The problem is that there's no soft way to deliver that message; you can't say "hey, these guys are actual Nazis, but it's like totally cool, don't shoot them" without undermining your entire messaging. So, now that the democrats have decided to stop saying mean things about the fascists for fear that the fash will get the bash, the messaging has gone from "shut up and vote or we'll get Hitler" to "shut up and vote". Forgive me if I don't find that to be a particularly powerful rallying cry, but I have some concerns about the ability of "just shut up and vote" to get people to the ballot box.
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I don't know what debate you watched, but trump was terrible. Honestly, they both were. But Biden at least stayed on topic and talked about policy. Trump just ranted about random shit the entire time. Biden came out better IMO.
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That's fair, everything was about immigration this, immigration that, and it was upsetting, particularly because he was practically on stage by himself. It was upsetting that Joe couldn't ever seem to get his head on straight. Even when he did "come alive", it just felt like "confused old man yells at Wal-Mart employee" more than it reminded me of 2020 Joe.
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"senior Democrats" would rather Trump than a progressive. At least Trump is good for their stocks.
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These fuckers insider trade and make money no matter which way the market goes. This isn't it, they just know that no matter who wins the rich will continue to run the country so it doesn't really matter to them. The only threat to the wealthy ruling class is the left (not liberals, the actual left)
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There are several HUGE 'left' spaces on Lemmy.
None of them have any advice, none of them are 'leading the charge' of reforming the USA.
the only thing I've seen them bring to the table is an elevated nose, blind judgement based on delusion, and calls for more violence. Those aren't the traits of a movement I can support
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They (wrongly) think that they're too powerful to be harmed.
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He's not though.
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He is. They own the same stocks in the same companies.
Democrats like immigrants the same reason the Republicans do they just don't have to pretend to hate them for their base they are replacing the labor with. And will also accept cheap slaves if they can get them.
Democrats are even some of the largest receivers of donations from weapons manufacturers they just more carefully call it "Defense Funds".
Do not fail to see the upper party member apathy as anything other than acceptable oligarchy capitalism with anger that they will have to try harder on social pandering.
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Probably better than someone like Bernie would be. Only because the rich would pull their money out and crash the economy so they could blame it on him. Personally I'd call it economic terrorism and put them all in Guantanamo
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Divide and conquer. Tale as old as time
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"This kind of leadership is functionally useless to the American people."
It's been that way for a long time now. Frankly, I can't think of a single agenda the Democratic party has rallied behind in recent memory that isn't not being a Republican. The Democratic leadership is useless, that's just been better than the malicious alternative.
Edit: I'm getting responses referencing Biden policies or those that are advocated for by a few outspoken Dems. These are not what I'm referring to. The Democratic party as a whole has no message, no mission, no agenda seemingly other than "patch up the damage that the Republicans leave". No wonder Democratic voters aren't motivated, we're not being represented we're just voting to slow the inevitable decay.
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School loan forgiveness? Universal healthcare?
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Those are valiant causes, and I am a democrat. But did the party rally behind them? The GOP frequently votes unanimously to gut social spending, strengthen the military, etc, but I wish the democrats did the opposite, unanimously, and voted for every social good we should pass
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/06/01/senate-repeals-bidens-student-debt-relief-00099682
https://www.newsweek.com/two-democrats-vote-end-bidens-student-loan-cancellation-1803948
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/policy-2020/medicare-for-all/
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You can't have truly public healthcare without public clinics and hospitals. How many public hospitals have Democrats built or bought lately?
Edit: I'll see you all at the next thread where you're complaining about health-related bankruptcy after you downvote me for this post. You morons deserve what you got.
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Universal healthcare is not a priority for the Democratic party as a whole despite their voters' pleas for it. Still only a few outliers in the party seem to advocate for it. Biden himself has been reluctant to embrace it.
And I don't remember student loan forgiveness being an especially popular platform before Biden took office. Sure it's helped a lot of people but it feels very much like a, "we'll take what we can get" policy versus something we've been asking for over decades.
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Most recent they passed the Inflation Reduction Act in '21, which gets me 30%* off my solar panels among a bunch of good moves for the country re: medication costs and the world re: global warming, and was voted against by every Republican.
Because of the level of polarization we have today, Republicans that vote with Dems worry about being primaried out of their seat, so the Republicans are against everything the Dems do anyway. It's impossible not to be defined by the phrase "not that guy" when "that guy" does the opposite of what you do on purpose.
Edit: bump from 20-> 30% Thanks Dempf!
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It should be 30% thru 2032.
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They do realize that they would be the first to go in a fascist coup? The kind Trump's Project 2025 openly threatens? Right?
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In a full blown military coup they would but that's not the kind of coup Project 2025 threatens. They'll be one of the last to go. They'll constantly ask us to donate and vote while doing absolutely nothing to stop it. Controlled opposition.
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Probably not.
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May I get a source to where he openly threatened, please?
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Trump says he'll be a dictator Day 1: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PRpfNJMpHcc
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Fucking vote
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Almost as if they've spent decades not giving a single shit about the consolidation of power and march toward fascism and instead have dedicated all their energy snuffing out anything left of "mid right" on a neutral scale.
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if you sit at the table with fascists, and don't care whether or not they get to power, you are fascist too.
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Democrats have always been fascist. Just look at their rhetoric about how "only they can save the country" (even though they've never done shit about shit even when they had a trifecta)
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I'm regretting not looking for an office to run for now, there needs to be a retire and replace move among the democrats.
We need less aisle reachers and more firebrands who'll nail the GOP to their heinous ideals like a roman centurion handling a thief's sentencing and pile the shame on them relentlessly, I don't want to see this spineless shit, I wanna see someone having to debate across from Margie Infidelitress back her far enough into a corner for her to start having a crying panic attack, and then when the parliamentarian calls for decorum threaten to come up there and put the gavel up their ass sideways if they dare interrupt the much needed dressing down again before it's finished.
I wanna see someone pay their staff bounties for graffitying the doors of election deniers for being the traitors they are.
I want to see someone begin carrying an obvious vanity cain around and brandish it at any Republican who tries to nut up like they deserve to do anything but be afraid of what'll happen if they dare forget their shame again.
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If the person who did that was a trans woman, and replace the cane with a gun because nothing else will scare an armed magat, do you think that would actually win votes?
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I dunno, the image of a cane being wielded in such a way as to scare a member of the "Guns Over People" party, has immense potential.
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It's like all these D-dinosaurs forgot that they needed to plan for their succession. I would imagine them working hard to make sure the new generation of politicians is ready. But modern career politicians will die in the saddle and seemingly are not worried what happens after.
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Their goal is to enrich their family and friends as much as possible for as long as possible. Pelosi, Feinstein, and McConnell are prime examples.
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I actually don’t think that’s limited to democrats or even politics, it’s systemic
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Family owned businesses that provide generations with income so this plenty. It's the career politician that is the issue for me here, the ones that will die in the saddle. By not grooming successors, their base has no alternative to vote for.
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As soon as I saw the picture, I felt like we were doomed. I'm still not voting for Trump, but that assassination attempt and the picture are, unfortunately, sometimes all that's needed to sway an American voter.
Like, he's a rapist, convicted felon, bad bsuines man, mentally unwell, fascist, and a general boob, but they'll look at that picture of him, fist up, blood on his ear, people trying to get him to get down, and then look at old man Joe and make their decision from there. If Biden truly cared about this country, he would step down. He's been vice president and now actual president, but his performance this round has been terrible and he needs to face the reality of that instead of pushing forward for the sake of his ego.
Edit: Just adding this since people think I'm saying all of Biden's presidency was poor. I talking about his debate/campaign performance.
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Joe Biden = maybe less energy to do MORE GOOD things (but actually a presidency isn't a single person, it's an administration full of good people that do important work, regardless of how Joe feels on a given day...
don trump = maybe more (adderall and coke-fueled SNIFF) energy, but only used to do MORE BAD things.
So much of this country is so surface and easily frightened.
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The choice is between a narcissistic buffoon who will do whatever his handlers want him to so long as he gets to look important and powerful playing along or someone who belongs in a nursing home rather than the White House that people raged about being called a "well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory" months ago because they thought it was an unreasonable because his admin was doing such a good job at damage control.
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I'm not a Biden stan, but it's just ignorant to say he did nothing
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At this point I need to hear directly from someone who was undecided before the assassination attempt, but now is voting trump.
Not a single person has said that, just that they are sure its happening.
Y'all need to figure out the difference between a guess and a fact for real. All emotion and no logic.
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At this point I need to hear directly from someone who was undecided before the assassination attempt, but now is voting trump.
Nobody is undecided this election, what is going to determine the way the vote goes is which candidate can energize their own voters more. After the assassination attempt, Trump has seen a surge in popularity among his voters, even if nobody is swapping from Biden to Trump.
America is not a mandatory voting State. Therefore, vibes are incredibly important. The narrative around Biden is that even if he's supporting genocide and seeing (percieved, at least) mental decline, he's not Trump. Meanwhile, Trump voters see their messiah figure surviving an assassination attempt and rising in percieved strength.
You fundamentally misunderstand what people are saying about the situation here.
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it's sad how ignorant you are of all the positive changes Biden has implemented in the USA in the last several years :-(
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I'm not? I'm talking about his campaign performance, not him as a president.
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Why are you assuming them to simply be ignorant, rather than disagreeing with you politically?
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They resigned themselves to a second Trump term when they decided to push forward an individual that couldn't carry a conversation 5 years ago. This isn't new.
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Decided to push him forward by listening to the majority of voters who cast their ballots for him in the primary?
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I remember that primary. We got like, what, ten primaries in before a bunch of people, some of whom were still competitive, just dropped out and gave all their delegates to Joe. I remember being flummoxed because Joe's performance in that debate was also really, really poor, and his performance in the primaries up until then had been pretty middling. So, I wouldn't agree that Joe won it as much as a bunch of candidates promised their delegates to him in exchange for cabinet positions.
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Let's say I make a banquet with lots of different food on the table. Some of its good, some of its bad, one of the dishes is lukewarm, unflavored yoghurt. Now let's say right before everyone sits down to eat, I remove all the dishes except for the lukewarm, unflavored yoghurt. Is everyone who then chooses to eat the yoghurt doing so because it's the one they like the best? Or did they not really have any other options?
This is the primary you believe so accurately captured the wishes of the American public. Fuck off.
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This is patently false, there was no primary held in good faith. The DNC canceled it and threatened anyone who floated the idea of a bigger run.
Some promising candidates still put their necks out despite this undemocratic efforts, and Biden wouldn’t even acknowledge them. Much less debate them, and after his recent performance it’s quite evident why.
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I can't vote out the career politicians who don't give a shit about me because the other career politicians that don't give a shit about me are worse.
Can't vote for a human because the wrong lizard will win and all that.
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This is just an anecdote but word came down from the c suite today to start getting all our ducks in a row and make plans for huge tariff increases next year.
I work in a fairly liberal leaning industry too. The bosses see the writing on the wall for Biden. The last time this happened we upped our prices on everything regardless of country of origin. Market segmentation and pricing strategy is a thing and this will affect prices for all goods.
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"Hey, there's a realistic possibility we're going to have to deal with Trump winning and increased tariffs. We obviously don't know if it will happen or not, but let's make sure we're prepared."
Yeah, Trump could win the election ... so could Biden. That's less of a forecast and more "competent business leadership having a disaster plan."
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Why wouldnt you all prepare for both possibilities?
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I'm not saying we shouldn't. I'm saying sentiment has changed after this weekend. Trumps reelection seems more likely than not to them. I hope they are wrong.
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When we say "politicians who don't give a shit about you", does that include 80+ year old men who are willing to throw our democracy away as long as they do their "goodest job"? All because they are addicted to power and can't imagine a world where someone is more electable than they are, despite overwhelming statistical evidence to the contrary?
And when we say "career politicians", does that include people that were elected to the Senate 60 years ago when they were in their 20s?
It's #Joever. Time to accept it and move on. Bending over backwards to defend him doesn't make you a hero, it makes you a useful idiot.
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Dont forget the 80+ year old women who have had nothing but sheer utter, seething contempt for AOC and everything she stands for
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I dont get why americans just suddenly are so much against Biden. Yes he is old. We knew that for a while. He has done quite well still. Yes he didnt have much voice during the debate and wasnt in good form. He still did better than Trump because at least Biden didnt constantly lie.
Just posting cringe hashtags and giving up will lead to the fascist being in power.
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I dont get why americans just suddenly are so much against Biden.
They were never "with" him in the first place, he was the only option that wasn't Trump.
Now the election is coming around again and most folks don't like Biden's chances, they just weren't allowed to say anything about it on TV until the disastrous debate performance.
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Their guilty consciences may move them on occasion to vote Democratic, but deep down they long for a cold-hearted Republican to lower taxes, brutalize criminals, and rule them like a king
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Is it gonna be all politics tweets going forward?
Aren't there better places to be posting this kinda thing? Aren't there enough communities that are exclusively political? Can't this one just be fun?
The past 4 posts are all political tweets and a user made poll asking if the mods should ban political content. I think it was actually the past 5 posts, but one was deleted.
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I want Al Gore to run 🙂
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I get the sentiment, and I would vote for AOC if I were in New York, but yeah... this election feels like a foregone conclusion.
Inb4: "A lot can happen in four months, you don't know for sure." blah blah blah
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It's one thing for folks like us to just say that to each other, but people in positions of power should not make that sort of apathy public. That's my opinion, st least. I'm emotionally preparing for a Trump victory, but I'm still going to vote against him and encourage my friends to do the same.
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Definitely. When you are in their position you have that hopelessness in the comfort of your private spaces but do your best to drum up fire and fight publicly.
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Yeah the moment they started publicly doubting Biden no amount of "well just shut up and vote" was going to fix that and undo the damage that is done.
If we hadn't had literally instant internal party panic we could have made it through that but now we absolutely need to change tactics.
They need to stop talking about how this sucks or how we lose but how we rise and play the fucking game like it means something but it's hard to get 80 year old narcissists who want just a little bit more to ever do anything else other than what they want.
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It was a close race, but I think the assassination attempt sealed it for Trump
Which is a real problem because his Vice President favorably compared Trump to Hitler and wants to ban porn
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Which is a real problem because his Vice President favorably compared Trump to Hitler and wants to ban porn
It wasn't a favorable comparison. He was a "Never Trumper" until Trump was the obvious nominee this time.
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I don't live in the USA but people in our media say it too.
I don't understand it though: are there people that voted for Biden last time that will now vote for Trump, even though he is now a convicted felon, and tried to steal the election?
Or is it just that everyone thinks that people won't come out to vote for Biden?
Can you help me understand?
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First Past The Post voting artificially limits the number of viable political parties to two. This leaves a huge portion of the electorate disenfranchised.
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It's a little bit of both. You have your hardcore Republicans and Democrats who will always vote for their party and a lot of independents who who are just barely paying attention and vote for "the one I'd have a beer with". There's also the situation in Gaza that has people voting 3rd party to protest Biden's handling of the situation even though it'll be much worse with Trump.
A lot of others can't be bothered to vote unless it's someone they're excited to vote for like we had with Obama.
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Also not in the USA but I think the fear is that people that didn't vote at all last time will vote for Trump now
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Primarily the second. Biden barely won some key swing states (look up the Electoral College and all the bs that brings into US elections) in an election with higher turnout than any in the past century, 4 years of Trumps general fuckery in the immediate past, and an ongoing pandemic. (tbf, the pandemic should have been in Trump's favor, but he's Trump, so...yeah)
Public memory is short, and along with very recent stumbles and valid criticisms of certain positions of his, Biden is coming into this election very much on the back foot, even among his base, while Trump is going strong as ever. He needs every vote he can get and he's not getting anywhere near the support he had in 2020. It's looking pretty dour overall.
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AOC voted to protect the rail corporations from the unions striking.
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I can shorten this while maintaining the entire message;
Vote out the career politicians
who don't really give a shit about you-
Bernie has accomplished more on your behalf than a series of clueless rookies would have.
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So that's one example of a good career politician.
Do you think the good:bad ratio for career politicians is 50:50?
If we eradicated all the career politicians, we would be removing a LOT of bad faith shitheads and yes, a few good ones too.
But we would have the chance to reshape our system to be FUNCTIONAL without nepotism and greed blocking it for a change.
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And harass the police that won't protect and serve.
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protect and serve.
That's not the police's job description, it's a copaganda campaign.
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The planets have just aligned for Trump recently between the debate debacle and surviving an assassination attempt.
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I will remain to be frustrated since these truths were all true as far back as January and only now, with everything on the line, are people willing to voice their opinion. I don't care about the leadership, the voting public shit the bed here. They were led right down the road to fasicism and only now do they see the tide is overcoming them and are trying to fight it and while trampling and drowning each other in the process.
You can't get a crowd this big to swim upstream with only 4 months to the election you need to divert them to safer shores.
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If the senior house Democrats already think they're going to lose, maybe they should try a different strategy than Joe Biden?
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They'd rather lose to Trump than win with a progressive.
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make space for true leadership that refuses to resign themselves to fascism
They will, however, resign themselves to genocide.
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Okay, so you are talking Israel here.
You're right the Israeli government is committing genocide.
So lets go ahead and condemn it. Hells no, lets send in a peace keeping force that pushes the Israeli army out of Gaza altogether and and sets up a nonfly zone and a neutral zone between Israel and Palestine.
First off, that's something that historically is a very very bad idea. The US has done this before and it ALL went to shit. You need local governments to do this, but they all have their hands in Gaza as well, many are all too happy to see this happening as it strengthens their position, fuck the Palestinians, who gives a shit.
Okay, so you start forcing the local governments to do this peace army thing. How? Its not their issue, you can't force them, or can you? You can bully them into submission, which will turn allies into not so very allies. This will cost you all your goodwill and soft power, but who cares, were doing the right thing (tm) here, right?
Next up, the Israel government will be pissed. Very pissed. They'll throw it on antisemitism. Bullshit, of course, but they've been doing that quite successfully for decades, so no reason to say this won't work this time. You will lose the Jewish vote in the US, you will lose the votes of those that agree with the dumb antisemitism thing.
This is a LOT of lost votes, and elections always being as close as they are, you WILL lose the election. Trump wins, he will send in US troops to help slaughter Palestinians, as he has promised before, and he will help to eradicate them. Will mass murder and genocide be a problem for him? Nah, the Supreme Court already decided the president is immune and pretty much King. Protests in the streets will be answered with mass arrests or hell, why not, even bullets because Trump can do whatever the fuxk he wants.
See a picture forming here?
It. Is. Not. That. Easy.
Sure, I'm just writing down a possible scenario, call it a dumb fantasy if you will, but it makes the point: The US meddling in Middle Eastern affairs has NEVER worked out well for any of the countries there. Also, you start even so much as criticizing Israel and you can lose critical votes, which you -now more than ever- will need to not get your dictator wannabe elected.
All this "Biden likes genocides!" is screaming from 15 year olds that can't see beyond their own nose.
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I agree AOC, also, why do you support the fascists in Israel? Seems hypocritical.
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I mean, she voted against military aid for Israel, she accused Israel of genocide in a speech on the House floor. She's called Israel an apartheid state.
I think that it's unfair to say that she supports the fascists in Israel.
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Says the woman that advocated for Genocide Joe to remain as the candidate.
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Anyone with an IQ above 2 realize that swapping candidates now is a 100% guarantees loss
The people who promote this idea are either massive dumbasses or alt right trolls
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Anyone with an IQ above 2 realize that swapping candidates now is a 100% guarantees loss
Anyone with a pulse realizes that not switching candidates now is a 100% guaranteed loss.
The people who promote this idea are either massive dumbasses or alt right trolls
Maybe people realize that Biden losing support from his own pool of voters and Trump gaining support from his own pool of voters means we will see a repeat of 2016 at this rate, with Biden winning the popular vote and Trump winning the electoral college.
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i disagree with this, but will not get into it here. the main point is that she barely has any pull in the party and the party hates her to begin with. not only would AOC saying he should step down not accomplish anything but it would more likely backfire. it's stupid to expect her to publicly ask for the presumptive candidate to fuck off. she barely endorsed biden in the first place; there are limits to what she can do and still remain effective.
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That's not fair. There are plenty of honest communists who are paid by Putin.
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