5mo ago

Vote out the career politicians who don't really give a shit about you

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make space for true leadership that refuses to resign themselves to fascism
They will, however, resign themselves to genocide.
- Okay, so you are talking Israel here.
  You're right the Israeli government is committing genocide.
  So lets go ahead and condemn it. Hells no, lets send in a peace keeping force that pushes the Israeli army out of Gaza altogether and and sets up a nonfly zone and a neutral zone between Israel and Palestine.
  First off, that's something that historically is a very very bad idea. The US has done this before and it ALL went to shit. You need local governments to do this, but they all have their hands in Gaza as well, many are all too happy to see this happening as it strengthens their position, fuck the Palestinians, who gives a shit.
  Okay, so you start forcing the local governments to do this peace army thing. How? Its not their issue, you can't force them, or can you? You can bully them into submission, which will turn allies into not so very allies. This will cost you all your goodwill and soft power, but who cares, were doing the right thing (tm) here, right?
  Next up, the Israel government will be pissed. Very pissed. They'll throw it on antisemitism. Bullshit, of course, but they've been doing that quite successfully for decades, so no reason to say this won't work this time. You will lose the Jewish vote in the US, you will lose the votes of those that agree with the dumb antisemitism thing.
  This is a LOT of lost votes, and elections always being as close as they are, you WILL lose the election. Trump wins, he will send in US troops to help slaughter Palestinians, as he has promised before, and he will help to eradicate them. Will mass murder and genocide be a problem for him? Nah, the Supreme Court already decided the president is immune and pretty much King. Protests in the streets will be answered with mass arrests or hell, why not, even bullets because Trump can do whatever the fuxk he wants.
  See a picture forming here?
  It. Is. Not. That. Easy.
  Sure, I'm just writing down a possible scenario, call it a dumb fantasy if you will, but it makes the point: The US meddling in Middle Eastern affairs has NEVER worked out well for any of the countries there. Also, you start even so much as criticizing Israel and you can lose critical votes, which you -now more than ever- will need to not get your dictator wannabe elected.
  All this "Biden likes genocides!" is screaming from 15 year olds that can't see beyond their own nose.
  
  Or we could, you know, stop giving the money and weapons to commit genocide?
  Please explain to me how giving trillions of dollars in military aid to Israel does not qualify as "US meddling in the Middle East"
  
  Still the same issue, it. Is. Not. That. Easy.
  If it were that easy, peace would have been had a long time ago.
  And again: like it or not, you HAVE tomvotr democrat. If you don't, Trump will be in charge and boy, if you thought they have it bad now, wait until he's in. He already advocates for a full eradication of the Palestinians do you doubt him?
  You know, lesser of two evils. Go full fuck Democrats after the election, protest, blockades if you have to, but now now plz...
  
  If the contest is so close that keeping Trump out of office really depends on me, then Biden already lost.
  Seems like a very risky time for the DNC to try playing it safe.
  
  if it depends on me
  Yeah who else do you think it depends on? If everyone has your attitude then its no wonder that such a relatively small group like Republicans manage to win so many elections. They. Just. Vote.
  Meanwhile the likes of you are tweedling their thumbs saying "my vote won't matter anyway"
  EVERY VOTE COUNTS, THAT IS THE POINT!
  
  Yeah who else do you think it depends on?
  The people in swing states who are expected to elect Trump.
  Meanwhile the likes of you are tweedling their thumbs saying "my vote won't matter anyway"
  I can prove it mathematically if you want.
  EVERY VOTE COUNTS, THAT IS THE POINT!
  No, that's the propaganda.
  Here in reality, only some votes matter.
  
  Then if you think it doesn't make a difference, vote anyway, as you got nothing to lose.
  And sure, prove it mathematically. I just finished watching some idiot "proving" that 1*1=2 or something painfully stupid like that, I can't wait to see what you come up with
  
  Biden could stop Netanyahu with a phone call.
  Israel relies on the US to veto any United Nations action against Israel. Netanyahu couldn’t do what he’s doing if he didn’t know he has Biden’s support
  
  And Netanyahu can stop Biden from being elected with a phone call, getting a much friendlier Trump in office who will gladly help him to once and for all fix the Palestinian problem.
  Whata your point?
- Trump is worse for Palestine so Biden is still the better option.
  
  I have serious difficulty seeing how Trump could possibly be worse for Palestine than Biden. Are you saying Trump is going to kill more of them than we have under Biden?
  
  There’s a much larger probability that Trump will back Israel expanding the conflict to other countries. If Trump was the president during the Iran retaliation strike, it’s sure as hell the US will back Israel to enter war against Iran.

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