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  • I’d love if they added a minimum security-update time for the OS. 5 years of OS upgrades should be the norm, and at least 7 more years of life-support, where security updates are provided.

    It is ridiculous how fast phones become unsupported and unsafe. The systems are so specialised that open source OS can not support them all. It’s all proprietary technology, dependant on proprietary code.

    Once the last security update is shipped, the phone very quickly becomes a serious security vulnerability. Modern messaging formats such as emails and whatsapp become potential vectors of an attack. Visiting a Website might be enough to compromise ones phone. Even if every application you depend on didn’t already drop support, the phone is basically e-waste because of the OS.

    On this front, Apple has actually been decent. They support their old hardware much longer than many android brands. However I still think anything below 10 years is absolutely ridiculous as it renders the whole device unusable.

    I wonder if in future we will have the same issue with cars and other items now dependant on internal computers.

    • Do agree on this. A law about supporting, at the very least, just security updates for your product in a 7 or 8 year life span is a must IMO as well. 10 would be ideal, but even an 8 year life span is not bad.

      I wonder if in future we will have the same issue with cars and other items now dependant on internal computers.

      Probably, since most of them are smart now.

    • It’s funny how Apple does offer decent support from a phone perspective, but their computers get dated fast.

      I just recently built a new PC after having my previous one for ten years. I didn’t strictly need to but I wanted to upgrade, my old PC is still fine.

      Apple doesn’t offer that kind of support for their computers.

      • I don't think you're making a fair comparison there really. You should be comparing Apple to someone like Dell, HP, Asus, etc.

        What you're really comparing Apple's support to is your own, because you're the one building and maintaining that PC's hardware. Plus take a look at your 10 year old PC, does every component of it - motherboard, GPU, etc. still get security updates? Motherboards are one of the worst offenders in this area for just arbitrarily dropping support.

        The fact that the PC ecosystem is so open is why it can last so long, but I don't think it's as imbalanced as you're suggesting.

        Disclosure: I don't own any apple products

      • laughs in early 2011 15” MacBook pro

        While you’re right, I can’t go past High Sierra… after popping in a SSD and 16GB RAM, that motherfucker still tears it up. It helps that it has a dedicated GPU, I suppose.

        Same experience as you with PC though—my partner’s 4670k/1070 were doing just fine until they tried to play Persona 5. That CPU just couldn’t handle the train station; all those people dropped it to under 10FPS. Ten year old machine though, played Elden Ring at about 40FPS at 1440p! (The 1070 was the most recent part in their machine.)

        12600k/3070 now, and it handles EVERYTHING. I’m jelly. I’ve got a 9900k and it’s beautiful, but I get TotK stutters and they don’t.

  • “Your honor, the apple vision pro was specifically designed to be used inside a small sailing ship.”

  • I mean I think apple is just gonna increase prices in the EU and blame regulators.

    • And then their market share will even go lower. Apple has a great market share, but only in the US. Europeans mostly use Android devices. Except for the Swedish, don't know what's up with them, but they love Apple devices.

      • I know at least 5 plebs who'd still purchase Apple devices even if they increased their prices by 100 bucks

    • Yeah likely, not as if they needed to stay competitive with such a loyal fanbase

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