House Democrat is proposing a constitutional amendment to reverse Supreme Court's immunity decision

At least it'll put the GOPers on record rejecting it.

What we need is for a Democratic president to do something bananas and claim immunity. I bet at least the less crazy Republicans would suddenly see how that could be a problem. Maybe if Joe set one of the conservative justices on fire as an official act.

But seriously, they have no problem with hypocrisy so that probably still wouldn't help.

it will happen easily if biden wins. If the court majority becomes 5-4 liberal republicans will absolutely hop on board. Thats why dems should also float an electoral college reform and an amendment to ban gerrymandering. Even a ban on courts creating "immunity rules" should be floated since immunity is something that shouldn't be handed out as often as the supreme court does it.

The amendment process is long and difficult and honestly being just willing to go through the extra steps makes good headlines.

I propose Biden start having the military shoot those that oppose the amendment and see how long it takes to get it passed.

They can if they support ranked choice under fairvote us

And that's only half the battle - then 3/4 of the state legislatures must pass it as well

The ruling happens after the act. Who knows what justices we’ll have by then.

Biden could execute all members of the court and replace them with people who will agree everything he does is legal.

This is easy to get around.

Just start any order with "In my capacity as president, I decree that....."

They're the same word now. Hooray language evolving!

Idk, can't we fantasize about how Thomas could be hung like a black man?

I love how people will open face admit that voting is clearly not enough and then be like "remember to vote owo"

I think folks need to start digging into a little stronger stuff than simply voting, lol

Need to start looking into further legal options beyond just voting.

You go high, we go low!

So what about the part after the vote when those who vowed to ignore said vote do so?

1. Declare new rules
2. Use any method, legal or otherwise, to enforce said rules
3. Claim immunity

Congratulations. You've successfully used immunity to declare whatever you want.

The idea that you actually need courts behind you is laughable. Power is enforced through the threat of violence, this is how law enforcement functions. Courts do not have soldiers.

Know who does? Commander-in-Chief, now with full immunity for any official act, like, giving orders to the military.

One could say perhaps the soldiers themselves would be afraid of prosecution and would disobey orders, since they don't get immunity. Until the President pardons them anyway.

Otherwise only one last line of firm defense remains: the oath each serviceman takes to defend the Constitution against all threats, foreign and domestic. That might make someone disobey an illegal order.

You realize, no...

Immunity here means declare whatever you want, and then mandate that the military eliminate anyone who opposes your new mandate. This "fun" hypothetical is a president invalidating their immunity powers and then having that decree reinforced by death, that second part is the illegal you want in this equation.

It's done to "Save America", so it's an official act.

"If a president couldn't freely do rapes, bribes, frauds and incite violence without repercussions, who would way to be president?"

• one of the two candidates for US President probably

Sounds like a win to me

The average American has zero clue how anything in the government works, nor the interest in policy to actually understand what the policies their politician of choice are pushing do. The average American is so disconnected from politics it's zero surprise that shitty politicians are elected everywhere regularly.

This isn't an indictment of the people themselves but the society they live in that somehow incientivizes general laziness when it comes to civics

That doesnt take care of it, nor can voters take care of it.

Even if Biden gets re-elected, this ruling stays in play perpetually until someone undoes it, which requires the supreme court justices to walk it back after a period of time.

The only option is to use the newly granted powers themself to undo the granted powers.

It's, imo, the only play.

Also this has nothing to do with being a "petulant child", it proves the point of how the granted powers are over-reaching.

If they werent over-reaching, then he wouldnt be able to use them to do this. It becomes a forced move on the justices behalf.

They either:

a. Accept the powers are to overpowered and in turn are forced to, through the command itself, have to roll it back or b. Rule that Biden cant do that, which forces cementing an upper limit on what the powers can do (it establishes a baseline that you cant just use the powers to force supreme justice acts and/or to order people to die)

Either way, it either neuters the powers to some extent or completely nullifies them.

he's got egg on his face over that mistake!

For Trump specifically it may be appropriate, though. The yoke of Trump's oppression would almost certainly involve mayonnaise in it somewhere.

"Leftist" comrades: but muh both sides!!!

This week

How are they expected to prosecute the "Biden Crime Family" if they can't prosecute the Kingpin?

I think I a word

“spree”

That's the insidious part. People advocating for Biden to go on a crime spree are assuming that the Supreme Court is aiming to be consistent, and apply this ruling fairly to both parties. They've INTENTIONALLY left it unspecified what counts as an "official" act, so that any question that comes up just goes right back to them, and they can rule however they see fit. Also, people are assuming the Court won't just directly contradict their own rulings, the moment it's convenient. This entire thing just shows that the Court can and will give itself final say on any questions of law or policy, I.E. anything anyone in the government does. This doesn't make the President a king, it makes the Court the king.

I’ll do it

dems have the senate, he wont be convicted

I don't even think this ruling allows for impeachment, TBH. This ruling was pretty broad. As long as the act is done in an official capacity and it is within the president's powers, even if only under certain circumstances which you can't prove the circumstances didn't exist if you can't prosecute, then there is immunity. Immunity means no one can even investigate officially, much less bring a case. The only thing you can investigate is if you can prove that he did it while not acting in an official capacity, which sex is one of the few things that applies to and even that could probably be manipulated, or that the president has no authority whatsoever over the subject, but that's pretty limited since he has full authority over the military and the entire executive branch as well as our nuclear weapons. I mean he can't go into the Supreme Court, take the place of a Justice and issue a judgement. But he definitely can use the CIA to assassinate a Justice to change something. And you would only be able to prosecute the CIA agents, not the president.

Joke? We know that Biden won’t. But he should, if only just to show how farcical this ruling is. Maybe, start small. Make mail-in voting mandatory and the election a national holiday, via executive order. Then, officially allow all prisoners to vote. Next, make DACA recipients citizens allowed to vote. As long as he doesn’t ruffle the feathers of the capitalist class, eventually Republicans will be begging for a Constitutional Amendment.

Or just order the assassination of Trump and anyone that supports him without trial, in the name of "national security". Immunity, official act, etc. See how fast the justices rescind their ruling.

I think it’s supposed to be congress’s responsibility to do that, but I guess there’s enough conservatives there to prevent that.

Edit: you would need at least 1/3 of senate republicans to agree to impeach a justice

I fear the civil war has already started, just without the shooting each other part. Although that's kinda already happening too.

republikkklowns

Agree on ranked choice, but Prop Rep doesn't have a good track record.

Maybe my pig will shit out a gold nugget.

It does nothing, same as the votes against the Trump impeachments. "Do they have an (R) by their name?" Really all you need to know.

That's even harder.

We're not exactly more than a couple steps away from the SCOTUS saying that if you can't prosecute official acts, then ipso facto it must also extend to those enforcing the acts.

I think they'll sabotage it or compromise it so much it will be meaningless like the Dems always do.