‘I am not made for war’: the men fleeing Ukraine to evade conscription
‘I am not made for war’: the men fleeing Ukraine to evade conscription
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/17423369
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I have the biggest respect for all the people defending Ukraine from Russia.
But if everybody decided to not go to war. There would be no wars.
Utopia. I know.
For me there is a distinction between people volounterly choosing to defend imaginary borders and forcing people to do so. Since Ukraine decided to force even more ppl to do it, I have only mixed feelings.
"Just cede all land to bullies and live under tyrants" isn't as appealing of an alternative to fighting Russia.
What quote would you use to describe situation where country fighting russian empire starts to use russia' own tactic of feeding battlefield with cannon fodders forced to do so by force? This doesn't matter what are the colours of tyranny above me. I hate them all.
That's not what's happening at all. Feel free to keep regurgitating Russian propaganda.
Ukraine doing anything bad is Russian Propaganda™
No one said that.
Keep lying.
yeah, people who do not care about country or do not want to die, are totally free to flee away. Men aren't blocked at the border at all.
Do not understand me bad. I was supportive all the time for the Ukraine, but west lost it, Ukraine lost it, all governments felt under russia influence, choosing profit above human lives. And in this situation I do not care about UA corrupted government, if ppl do not care, let them live.
When the likely outcome is death, most people don't want to fight. If people were just allowed to flee to some other country, not only the bully country gets a free and repeatable pass but the neighbouring countries get some immigration crisis which lead to not-so-fun rhetorics.
The Finns were some of the most vigorous defenders in history, but if they just had the option of moving en mass to Sweden, consequence-free, they probably would. If that was to be the case every decade or so, today's Russia would be bigger than the USSR ever was and without any republic whatsoever, only Russians given that everyone else fled. They have quite the history of chomping territory; that's how they got this big to start with.
You probably understand that this wouldn't fly. That the other countries wouldn't allow it to happen anyway. But at the end of the day, you need boots on the ground to do anything about it.
looking at things that happened during this war, Ukraine was able to defense itself and foght back with volounteers and "patriots" or just their own military with help from the west.
So rn their forces are depleted, the west is turning prorussian and is starting to talk about stopping support of ammo and arms to Ukraine.
One of the reasons russians started the war, was their expectation, that countries (fe Poland) wouldn't allow mass migrations of Ukrainians (they tested it before on poish borders, but forgot that polish ppl are fucking racists, and with mostly whiteUA population, ppl had not so big problem with immigration). They (russians) thought by killing civilians they will be able to force UA to surrender. Again, this plan had failed, due to ppl escaping Ukraine succesfully, allowing the volounters to fight for their imaginarry land with orc cannon fodders foghting for their own imaginary land.
Ukraine is losing, ppl across the Europe started rumoring about "forced relocation" of UA imigrants back to ukraine in order to fkrce them to fight in war, the EU, and USA is willing to lose due to capitalism and their own russia influence.
And right now, you want to allow those poor folks to die on the battlefield, bc billionaires from across the EU and USA want to save money, or just directly get even more from russians directly?
yeah, better find more quotes to try to justify this nonsense
These last year's of fighting were not exclusively done by volunteers and patriots at all.
Source: Gave a place to stay to a men (28yo) dodging the draft, weeks after the war started. He told me that his friends were either hiding in some grandpa house, pretending that they never knew about any draft invite, or straight up ran to some other country (some of them bribing border guards in the process).
These situations happened in 2022, not now. You can probably imagine that this is far from "with volunteers". A lot of these were caught (or didn't hide in the first place) and were sent to some army outpost.
