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‘I am not made for war’: the men fleeing Ukraine to evade conscription

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10mo ago

‘I am not made for war’: the men fleeing Ukraine to evade conscription

www.theguardian.com /world/article/2024/jun/29/i-am-not-made-for-war-the-men-fleeing-ukraine-to-evade-conscription

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What a based man. As a wise Spaniard once said, "Malditas sean las guerras y los canallas que las hacen".

I understand being scared, but it would be hard for me to abandon my country in its time of need. Not for the government, but for the people that live there.
ETA: quite a few down votes, no one explaining why though
- There are plenty of reasons that make a person unsuited for combat besides fear. The unwillingness to kill another person is a big one. The awareness that you simply don't have that kind of thing in you. Seriously, there's no call for you to smear them like that.
- quite a few down votes, no one explaining why though
  It's hard to take such declarations seriously over internet.
- War bad (Unironically)
  
  Naturally war is bad, but you can't stand and defend your own people?
- Why don't you go fight instead of talking big.
  
  Already have, got the injuries to prove it
- I agree with you but I also understand why this is happening. I would be hard pressed to say I would be made out for military service even though I have great respect for those in the military. Cowardice is one reason and a very relatable one at that. To say people aren't fleeing because of cowardice at all is naive. But to judge them for that is unfair. I think we all agree there.
  That being said, people in your comment chain aren't taking into account the fact that the very fabric of the Ukrainian society is under threat of total eradication. Historically that brings out a higher calling in people to defend their own homes, their loved ones, and their neighbors.
  At any rate, the fleeing of these men bodes quite poorly for the future of us all.
  I'm tired of people acting like Ukraine isn't holding back the fascist tide of Russian imperialism to the benefit of us all. If they were to give up today it would spell the end of their civilization, and a start to many great problems for the rest of us. Our peace is paid for in Ukrainian blood right now. Russia is sabotaging several foreign powers with intention to finish this genocide and expand the war. America, Germany, Sweden and elsewhere have been hit. And people act like we're not going to have to put our own soldiers on the line at some point. And the less Ukrainians in the fight, the sooner that will be.
  Give me the downvotes. I've studied Russian history.
  Edit: I'd also like someone to give me an alternative to conscription in their case. I see no other option.
- Cowardice. They won't be welcome in the next country they flee to either.
  
  Oh, that's the only reason you can think of, huh? You must be a real tough guy.

When the country is doing stupid shit like invading Iraq I'm opposed to the draft. When it's defending against an existential threat which is on native soil, I don't have as much sympathy for people avoiding the draft.
- You would if it was you being sent to the meat grinder.
- So when are you booking your flight to Kyiv?
  
  Do you think there are situations where conscription is appropriate?
- Ukraine allows for foreign volunteers. Feel free to help out.
- Go take their place then.
- When its past bad thing you were totally against it, when its current bad thing your support it. Liberals like you truely oppose every war of their empire but the current one.

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