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Tesla in self-drive mode slams into police car in Orange County

ktla.com Tesla in self-drive mode slams into police car in Orange County

A Tesla was in its self-driving mode when it crashed into a parked patrol vehicle responding to a fatal crash in Orange County Thursday morning, police said. The officer was on traffic control duty…

A Tesla was in its self-driving mode when it crashed into a parked patrol vehicle responding to a fatal crash in Orange County Thursday morning, police said.

The officer was on traffic control duty blocking Orangethorpe Avenue in Fullerton for an investigation into a suspected DUI crash that left a motorcyclist dead around 9 p.m. Wednesday when his vehicle was struck.

A Fullerton Police Department spokesperson said the officer was standing outside his vehicle around midnight when he saw a Tesla driving in his direction and not slowing down.

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It really doesn't help that the media isn't putting "Self-Driving" Mode in quotes since it isn't fucking self-driving.
- It is though: self driving into objects
  
  "We never said it was good self-driving."
- Isn’t that what Tesla called it?
  
  Tesla calls it "Full Self Driving" and it's a lie. So capitalize it and put it in quotes, rather than call it self-drive mode like that's an actual thing.
- It's "self-driving", not "self-stopping". Luckily the police were able to assist with cruiser-based rapid deceleration.
- Technically it is self-driving but just in the sense that it doesn't need any external power sources like horses to pull it.
- It's self-driving, not self-driving-well.

"SLAMS"
- Finally, some real journalism

And again, I thank rich people for being test subjects on new technology.
- The victims involved in crashes aren't always rich. People in other cars or pedestrians and cyclists can be injured by these mistakes.
- If only it were that simple. WE are all the test subjects in this case whether we like it or not.
  
  No we’re not. They’re the rats, we’re the maze.
- I mean, testing new technology wasn't really the issue here, the name of Tesla's 'self driving' mode is just a lie. This is an idiot driver who should have been paying attention and wasn't.
  But we already knew he was an idiot, he did buy a Tesla.

"ACCAB" - That Tesla
*The extra C is for Cars. All Cop Cars Are Bastards.
- FTP - It's not just a protocol.
  
  Sure it is. All the coders these days grew up with it.
  
  Are we about to see self driving cars finally getting some of that truck-doggy-style-action with the popo mobiles?
- Flat cars theory

That must have been SO scary for the cop! He wouldn't know whether to shoot the car or the passenger!
- Must have been a white Tesla. If it was a black one, it would have been a no brainer.
  
  So my Tesla is pink. I guess the cop would've thrown a flashbang.
- ¿porque no los everyone in line of sight including bystanders?

TBH if this process could work a little faster then maybe evolution could remove all the ai tech bros from the gene pool.
- At least the ones that can't follow directions and pay attention to the road.

They give so much lenience to Tesla.
Yet Cruise was kicked out of California for someone else hitting a pedestrian into the Cruise vehicle and running. This was while also providing dashcam footage to capture the assailant.

Maybe I've been too harsh on self driving Tesla's...
- Tesla... Back (into) the Blue.

Fuck Elon, and to a lesser extend, Tesla and all. But this seems like yet another user error on several accounts. I thought "autopilot" was only supposed to be used on freeways. And obviously assisted by a human who should have seen a fucking parked cop car coming and intercede anyway.
But that said, fuck Elon and his deceptive naming of a fucking primitive tech that's really only good at staying in a lane at speed under ideal conditions.
- I thought "autopilot" was only supposed to be used on freeways. And obviously assisted by a human who should have seen a fucking parked cop car coming and intercede anyway.
  It depends on which system they actually had on the vehicle. It's more complicated than random people seem to think. But even with the FSD beta, it specifically tells the driver every time they activate it that they need to pay attention and are still responsible for the vehicle.
  Despite what the average internet user seems to think, not all Teslas even have the computer capable of Full Self Driving installed. I'd even say most don't. Most people seem to think that Autopilot and FSD are the same, they're not, and never have been.
  There have been 4+ computer systems in use over the years as they've upgraded the hardware and added capabilities in newer software. Autopilot, Enhanced Autopilot, and Full Self Driving BETA are three different systems with different capabilities. Anything bought prior to the very first small public closed beta of FSD a couple years ago would need to be replaced with a new computer to use FSD. Installation cost is included if someone buys FSD outright, or they have to pay for the upgrade if they instead want the subscription. All older Teslas however would be limited to Autopilot and Enhanced Autopilot without that computer upgrade.
  The AP and FSD systems are not at all the same, and they use different code. Autopilot is designed and intended for highways and doesn't require the upgraded computer. Autopilot is and always has been effectively just Traffic Aware Cruise Control and Auto steer. Enhanced Autopilot added extra features like Summon, Auto lane change, Navigetc.ate on Autopilot (on-ramp to off-ramp navigation) but has never been intended for city streets. Autopilot itself hasn't really been updated in years, almost all the updates have been to the FSD beta.
  The FSD beta is what is being designed for city streets, intersections, etc. and needs that upgraded computer to process everything for that in real time. It uses a different codebase to process data.
  
  The spokesperson said that the Tesla was in self-drive mode and **the driver admitted to being on a cellphone at the time of the crash. **
  That seems to answer all the questions about this accident.
  
  My Subaru with adaptive cruise control is smart enough to not zoom into the back of a parked car. If my car with a potato for a CPU can figure it out then why can’t a tesla in any more with it’s significant more advanced computer?
  
  All cars since mid 2019 have the computer required for FSD.
  At this point that includes the majority of all Teslas ever sold. Somewhere between 750k and 800k of 6 million don't have the hardware. And of those 100-200k are upgradeable, maybe more but the research time isn't worth it.
  That being said, it still could have been AP and not FSD as the media gets it confused all the time.
  
  Despite what the average internet user seems to think, not all Teslas even have the computer capable of Full Self Driving installed.
  Uh.
  http://tesla.com/blog/all-tesla-cars-being-produced-now-have-full-self-driving-hardware The Tesla Team, October 19, 2016
  Be sure to read the part where it says that as of today, ALL Tesla cars will have the hardware needed for full self-driving at a safety level SUBSTANTIALLY GREATER than that of a human driver.
  Also, can people cut the bullshit, Elon is on video suggesting year after year that FSD will take you hundreds of miles without a single intervention.
  How does that make sense, that something that performs SUBSTANTIALLY GREATER than a human driver needs constant supervision by the inferior driver? Elon sold FSD as a magical autopilot since 2016, adding "Supervised" to the label like 3 months ago doesn't suddenly put the blame on the people who believed the lie.
- Last year, Tesla announced that they had improved with autonomous emergency braking system, to go 'beyond standard AEB functionality'. And yet, here we have a story where a Tesla drove straight into a stationary vehicle and, according to the cop, didn't slow down.
  Yes, the driver should have been paying attention, but why did the AEB do nothing?

I just heard from Enron Musk that it crashed into the patrol car way more safely than a human would have done.
Also according to Enron Musk Full self driving has been working since 2017, and is in such a refined state now, that you wouldn't believe how gracefully it crashed into that patrol car. It was almost like a car ballet, ending in a small elegant piruette.
As Enron Musk recently stated, in a few months we should have Tesla Robo Taxies in the streets, and you will be able to observe these beautiful events regularly yourself.
Others say that's ridiculous, he is just trying to save Enron, but that's too late.
- All I do at night is open my garage door to let my car out. A few months later here I’m a millionaire. Thank you full self driving Roboenron 😍
  
  Yes I remember that, and then he has repeated every year since, that they will be ready next year. But THIS year he changed his tune somewhat, and claimed it was a matter of months.
  How is this con man not in jail?

~~Jesus~~ Elon is my co-pilot
- thoughts and prayers

ai being based again
- GTA 2024
  
  Don't play with my emotions

Based robot car

Uh oh tesla self drive is woke

Everyone tried to warn Elon not to use Fury Road as training data.

First useful thing Elon ever did

I backed my car into a cop car, the other day.
Well he just drove off sometimes life's okay.
- We all float on down here

2 birds 1 crash

Ugh I know people feel strongly about FSD and Tesla. As some one who uses it ( and still pays attention hands on wheels when activated) when FSD is active as soon as it sees anything resembling emergency lights it will beep and clearly disengage. I am not sure, but it's possible this person probably is just using Tesla as a scape goat for their own poor driving. However in my experience it will force the driver to take control when emergency lights are recognized specifically to avoid instances like this.
- Doesn't Tesla usually look at the logs for a situation like this, so we'll know shortly?
  
  "As you can see by looking at the logs, the FSD was disengaged 276ms prior to the crash, therefore the driver is at fault" /s
- Assuming something was on, I'm not even convinced it was FSD and it could have easily been AP.
  The media and police get that wrong more often than right, and the article isn't even specifically naming either one.
  
  Or could have been pressing the gas so it wouldn't brake anyway.
- Thanks for the tip, going to flash my blue flashlight at teslas from now on.
  
  Yeah sure if that's what makes you happy.... 👍. Nothing like blinding random people in cars in your spare time.

IMHO it's the flashing lights. I really think they overload the self driving software somehow and it starts ignoring changes in driving conditions (like say an emergency vehicle parked in the road).
- To be fair, police lights at night are so bright they give me migraines
- I’ll bet you’re right that it’s the lights, but I don’t know about “overload” of anything.
  The problem with camera vision (vs human vision or LiDAR) is poor definition range. This means that pointing a light at it, like happens with emergency vehicle lights, can cause it to dim the whole image to compensate and then not see the vehicles. Same thing as when you take a backlit photo and can’t see the people.
- Your Honor, exhibit A: It was all flashy and stuff.

This has been happening a lot. Apparently flashing lights are like a red rag to a bull to our new machine overlords.

WTF, I love Tesla now!

Finally those stupid cars are working with us!
- It's not well know but Isaac Asimov's fourth law of robotics is actually ACAB.

Jesus you Elon haters can't help yourself.
This 👏 isn't 👏 news. It's an obsession with a billionaire.
- A new interesting tech failing isn't news on a site mostly made of tech nerds. Could you explain that further?
  
  Yes. It's a single crash, no details, and happens every day with non assisted driving, LKA, ACC, etc. But since it's a Tesla anti Elon zealots have to post every single rage bait article they can get their hands on.
  It's an obsession and has nothing to do with technology.
- It's time to face reality. That stock you bought at 300 is not going to recover any time soon.
  Cut your loses and stop defending your favorite billionaire.
- I just think it’s funny that it crashed into a cop car. It made me laugh.

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